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Boca,

lesson #3, thanks but I think it's "talking" not selling

LOL. You are selling past the close. I already conceded that I was part of the problem. Based on the length of your post, I'd say that you are, too. :p
 
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Good idea to have a neutral moderator, one that's not well-placed with Marriott or for that matter a multiple-weeks Marriott owner. That sure would help eliminate moderator biases when there's no personal interest or gain at stake. Just a thought...in case there are volunteers waiting in the wings to moderate a TUG forum. :ponder:
I would say that Dave is pretty neutral. He hasn't even decided yet if he will join or not and if he still likes the Marriott program after June 20. The resorts are the same but the original plan, the way it was sold to most people, is not. We can take it or leave it or will have to switch over sooner or later to the new program as the writing is on the wall unless you just want to occupy your unit at your home resort every year. Then there is no change but it may get harder to get the week you want if you own a floating week. :wall:
 

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Good idea to have a neutral moderator, one that's not well-placed with Marriott or for that matter a multiple-weeks Marriott owner. That sure would help eliminate moderator biases when there's no personal interest or gain at stake. Just a thought...in case there are volunteers waiting in the wings to moderate a TUG forum. :ponder:

Wow... I hope Dave his thicker skin than I do, because I would be both hurt and offended about now. :( After Dave's years of dedicated service to TUG, I can't believe you are suggesting that he should be casually kicked to the curb.

Fortunately, I can assure you that it won't happen.

I'm done here...
 
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Maybe you can just cut his pay in 1/2 ?



Wow... I hope Dave his thicker skin than I do, because I would be both hurt and offended about now. :( After Dave's years of dedicated service to TUG, I can't believe you are suggesting that he should be casually kicked to the curb.

Fortunately, I can assure you that it won't happen.

I'm done here...
 

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My post was so lengthy because I wanted to address the numerous argumentative, demeaning, self agrandizing posts you made. If you had posted less of those type posts , my response would have been shorter.In response you come back unchanged and post 2 more of the same type posts. You admit it is your fault, but finish by saying it is my fault too too. Get that last word in trying to start the fight. If you only knew how many PM's I got thanking me for pointing out your rude posts for all to see, you might be shocked.

LOL. You are selling past the close. I already conceded that I was part of the problem. Based on the length of your post, I'd say that you are, too. :p



Did you really feel it was necessary to demean and belittle Fletch again?

I just find it amusing that you didn't know that the general manager for the MVCI division was Stephen Weisz..

Amusing? Not amusing, rude. I have worked for large organizations and I didn't bother to memorize the names of home office people i didn't interact with. The fact that Fletch didn't know Stephen is probably because he never personally interacted with Stephen.

I Ask him next time you see him if he thinks he can do most of the jobs in the organization. He will laugh and say, "why do you ask that? Nobody can do all the jobs." Also, ask him if he views himself as the General Manager of the Vacation Ownership business.
You should take a look at this Harvard Business School Curriculum: Harvard Business School General Management Program. Do you think the Harvard Business School has a program for General Managers and the only jobs they qualify for has the words "general" and "manager" in the title? They have a program for General Managers because a General Manager is the leader of a business..

Let's stick the knife in and twist. You already made fun of his lack of knowledge of who Stephen is, now you make a dig about the next time he sees him knowing he never will. You also assume the role of Stephen and tell him what to ask Stephen and then inform him what Stephen would say. I would hope neither Stephen or you would actually be that pompous in real life because people who are that pompous might tote a butt whupping when talking to someone like that face to face. Follow that up with talking down to him about courses at Harvard and the meaning of titles like he was a child. I am sure that Fletch is appreciative of you schooling him because I am sure he thought that one person could do all jobs in a huge organization before you set him straight. Then you break the title general manager down into "general" and "manager" like he is a first grader. Could you not fit "See Spot Run" into your post to make it more demeaning? It is simply rude and unseemly no matter how you camoflauge your acerbic comments.

PS The leader of most large businesses are the Presidents, vice presidents, and/or the CEO if you want to be correct using titles, not the GM. Perhaps you missed class that day. To be correct Mr Weisz is President of Marriott Vacation Club International and would probably be offended to be called a GM. http://news.marriott.com/stephen-p-weisz.html




Finish it up with a backhanded compliment followed by your last word you always have to get in stating that he doesn't know a lot about how big businesses work. Cut him to the bone and hope he surrenders, or even better comes back at you so you can attempt to humiliate him even more. You are a very smart man from your posts, but being an intllectual bully is not an appropriate way to show everyone how intelligent and educated you are.

I For what it's worth, I think you know a lot about Marriott and I believe you are a really great sales guy. That says a lot about you because timeshare salesmen are about the best salesmen in the world. I just don't think you know a lot about how Big Companies actually work.

I might not be the most popular person on TUG, I might debate too much, argue too much, and I absolutelly post too much about things I care about, but I never try to eviscerate someone, demean them, belittle them, or make them look like an idiot.I might disagree with someone's opinion but I try to do it respectfully. I don't have to leave them crying in the corner to feel good about myself.


You on the other hand aren't really happy unless you destroy your opponent. That might be a good strategy in business and sports, but it doesn't fit well in a friendly forum.
 
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It does seem like some folks get a free pass, while others get special attention from the Mod.

As someone posted earlier, you can always find a TOS violation if you want to. But you have to want to ...
 

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My post was so lengthy because I wanted to address the numerous argumentative, demeaning, self agrandizing posts you made. If you had posted less of those type posts , my response would have been shorter.In response you come back unchanged and post 2 more of the same type posts. You admit it is your fault, but finish by saying it is my fault too too. Get that last word in trying to start the fight. If you only knew how many PM's I got thanking me for pointing out your rude posts for all to see, you might be shocked.





Did you really feel it was necessary to demean and belittle Fletch again?



Amusing? Not amusing, rude. I have worked for large organizations and I didn't bother to memorize the names of home office people i didn't interact with. The fact that Fletch didn't know Stephen is probably because he never personally interacted with Stephen.



Let's stick the knife in and twist. You already made fun of his lack of knowledge of who Stephen is, now you make a dig about the next time he sees him knowing he never will. You also assume the role of Stephen and tell him what to ask Stephen and then inform him what Stephen would say. I would hope neither Stephen or you would actually be that pompous in real life because people who are that pompous might tote a butt whupping when talking to someone like that face to face. Follow that up with talking down to him about courses at Harvard and the meaning of titles like he was a child. I am sure that Fletch is appreciative of you schooling him because I am sure he thought that one person could do all jobs in a huge organization before you set him straight. Then you break the title general manager down into "general" and "manager" like he is a first grader. Could you not fit "See Spot Run" into your post to make it more demeaning? It is simply rude and unseemly no matter how you camoflauge your acerbic comments..




Finish it up with a backhanded compliment followed by your last word you always have to get in stating that he doesn't know a lot about how big businesses work. Cut him to the bone and hope he surrenders, or even better comes back at you so you can attempt to humiliate him even more. You are a very smart man from your posts, but being an intllectual bully is not an appropriate way to show everyone how intelligent and educated you are.



I might not be the most popular person on TUG, I might debate too much, argue too much, and I absolutelly post too much about things I care about, but I never try to eviscerate someone, demean them, belittle them, or make them look like an idiot.I might disagree with someone's opinion but I try to do it respectfully. I don't have to leave them crying in the corner to feel good about myself.


You on the other hand aren't really happy unless you destroy your opponent. That might be a good strategy in business and sports, but it doesn't fit well in a friendly forum.

LOL. I think you take these debates a bit too seriously. By the way, what the saying about the pot and the kettle?

I think it will be better for both of us if I just put you on ignore. It will save at least one of us from being banned.
 

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I suggest locking this thread and passing out a few well deserved, hard earned TUG time outs. In the meantime, I will just expand my Ignore list.
 

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I think most heated debates only for one reason, because people like to hear themselves talk. Many times what some people have to say really isn't that important. They just like to hear themselves talk and think people are listening.
 

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I think most heated debates only for one reason, because people like to hear themselves talk. Many times what some people have to say really isn't that important. They just like to hear themselves talk and think people are listening.

That's true. I also think that responses can be visceral reactions that impact a person's sensibilities. Someone says something against a person's belief system and they are compelled to respond like scratching an itch.
 
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actually Stephen Weisz's exact title is President, not General Manager.

...just sayin' :D
 
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