Master Chart of Deeded Weeks MFs on a per DP Basis

[jpa2825]

I have searched the various MF threads and don't seem to find what I think I am looking for. The pinned and heavily moderated MFs for Deeded Weeks has most of the information, but I would also like to see what those fees yield on a $/point basis if converted to DPs.

For example, we just got our OP MF invoice. When I searched the pinned and heavily moderated thread, I confirmed that someone had already posted the same 2BR Platinum week at $2,781.22 (comprised of $4 FL Club Fee, $1,523.89 Operating Fee, $240.59 Property Tax Fee and $1,012.74 Replacement Reserve) and that that was a $321.75 increase over 2023.

Since I know I can convert that week to 4,325 DPs, I know that the MF$/point is $0.64.

Similarly, since we also have directly purchased DPs, I know from the NOV invoice that our MF$/point is $0.84 (based on what we paid "all in" ($4,808.01) ÷ DPs (5,750))

I think it would be interesting to see other resorts MFs ÷ the # of DPs they can be converted to as a way of comparing apples to oranges.

Maybe such a list exists and I just don't have good Boolean search logic (showing my age). Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Hindsite]

I believe MVC never published the election values for weeks ownership.

 

[Fasttr]

This spreadsheet from VPE has the info you seek, but it hasn’t been maintained for a few years. That said, it may give you a source for comparisons between seasons and resorts.

When you get to the sheet, click the Cost Per Point tab.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1JCC8PxvfcjBVUdW710Oz68ewcUfH5pbQjVgNySGJPwY/htmlview?pli=1#

 

[Superchief]

This chart really shows some questionable point allocations for the program. Oceana Palms was always a premium resort and had higher MF's than most other FL and SC ocean properties. However, owners receive fewer points across the board than at Ocean Pointe, the Hilton Head Big 3, and Ocean Watch. I would have definitely bought different seasons at different resorts had I known what these point values would be. Five of my 6 MVC resorts now cost more per point than trust points, and all the MF increases were higher than the avg increase.

 

[jpc763]

This chart really shows some questionable point allocations for the program. Oceana Palms was always a premium resort and had higher MF's than most other FL and SC ocean properties. However, owners receive fewer points across the board than at Ocean Pointe, the Hilton Head Big 3, and Ocean Watch. I would have definitely bought different seasons at different resorts had I known what these point values would be. Five of my 6 MVC resorts now cost more per point than trust points, and all the MF increases were higher than the avg increase.

I own Shadow Ridge, Imperial Palms and Ko Olina. Only Ko Olina is a "good deal" with respect to points. The other two are better traded in Interval International than converted to points.

 

[dioxide45]

This spreadsheet from VPE has the info you seek, but it hasn’t been maintained for a few years. That said, it may give you a source for comparisons between seasons and resorts.

When you get to the sheet, click the Cost Per Point tab.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1JCC8PxvfcjBVUdW710Oz68ewcUfH5pbQjVgNySGJPwY/htmlview?pli=1#

Is this still on VPE? Last I checked it isn't linked there anymore. The only place I can now find it is from signature of @StevenTing posts on TUG.

 

[Fasttr]

Is this still on VPE? Last I checked it isn't linked there anymore. The only place I can now find it is from signature of @StevenTing posts on TUG.

I copied the link from VPE. From pull-down menu, select Historical MF’s

 

[dioxide45]

I copied the link from VPE. From pull-down menu, select Historical MF’s

I see it there now in the list on the right. I think at one time it was linked at the top and when it disappeared from there I never dug deep enough to find it.

 

[Hindsite]

This chart really shows some questionable point allocations for the program. Oceana Palms was always a premium resort

This is exactly why MVC doesn't publish the charts, people get themselves all in a lather about whether their week has what they believe the "right" amount of points allocated.
In the Vistana forum, there is a lot of information under the Vistana thread about how allocations seem to be done and they seem to relate to the points needed to book in any given season, so your question relates more to how the points to book are assigned more than the points from election.

Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

I have started to create a conversion tracker to keep track of the amount of points allocaetd to each VOI. I know everything right now is still speculation or information gleaned from attending a sales presentation, but at some point I suspect we will get official numbers. For now we can start...

tugbbs.com

 

[Fasttr]

This is exactly why MVC doesn't publish the charts, people get themselves all in a lather about whether their week has what they believe the "right" amount of points allocated.
In the Vistana forum, there is a lot of information under the Vistana thread about how allocations seem to be done and they seem to relate to the points needed to book in any given season, so your question relates more to how the points to book are assigned more than the points from election.

Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

I have started to create a conversion tracker to keep track of the amount of points allocaetd to each VOI. I know everything right now is still speculation or information gleaned from attending a sales presentation, but at some point I suspect we will get official numbers. For now we can start...

tugbbs.com

Not sure your comment tracks with @Superchief 's concern. As an example, his concern was with Oceana Palms, which is just down the beach from Ocean Pointe. A 2BR Platinum OF at Oceana Palms, per the chart posted above, would net you 5100 club points, where a 2BR Platinum OF at Ocean Pointe would net you 5375. But posting a couple sections of the Points chart as examples.... Feb 16-22, 2024 requires 7675 for Palms AND Pointe, Dec 20-26 requires 5900 for Palms AND Pointe. For that size unit and view, the required points appear identical across all date ranges from my quick look, and assuming the elected points data for those 2 resorts are correct on the linked chart, the elected point discrepancy does seem to be a bit of a head scratcher.

 

[vol_90]

Sharing a breakdown for the Phuket Beach Club 2008 - 2024. MF's are paid in Thai Baht and inclusive of 7% VAT. The converted USD is the amount charged on our credit card. Probably the best resort from a MF perspective over this time period but does have exchange rate risk as you can see large USD % increases in 2010 and 2018 offset by 5 years where the USD amount decreased. Enrolled Platinum weeks are an excellent value.

 

[Superchief]

Not sure your comment tracks with @Superchief 's concern. As an example, his concern was with Oceana Palms, which is just down the beach from Ocean Pointe. A 2BR Platinum OF at Oceana Palms, per the chart posted above, would net you 5100 club points, where a 2BR Platinum OF at Ocean Pointe would net you 5375. But posting a couple sections of the Points chart as examples.... Feb 16-22, 2024 requires 7675 for Palms AND Pointe, Dec 20-26 requires 5900 for Palms AND Pointe. For that size unit and view, the required points appear identical across all date ranges from my quick look, and assuming the elected points data for those 2 resorts are correct on the linked chart, the elected point discrepancy does seem to be a bit of a head scratcher.

The point requirements are the same for both Singer island resorts every time I've checked. This results in a much higher 'skim' for MVC at Oceana Palms. I don't know how they can legally provide fewer points, but charge the same at Oceana Palms.

 

[bazzap]

Sharing a breakdown for the Phuket Beach Club 2008 - 2024. MF's are paid in Thai Baht and inclusive of 7% VAT. The converted USD is the amount charged on our credit card. Probably the best resort from a MF perspective over this time period but does have exchange rate risk as you can see large USD % increases in 2010 and 2018 offset by 5 years where the USD amount decreased. Enrolled Platinum weeks are an excellent value.
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Yes, our enrolled PBC Platinum weeks are easily the best value of all our home resort weeks.
The nearest and only other resort giving less than $0.50 per elected point is our Grand Chateau 2Bed Platinum week at $0.462 for 2024

 

[Hindsite]

Not sure your comment tracks with @Superchief 's concern.

Indeed there's difficulty understanding how it is done as MVC don't disclose the method.
The approximate skim analysis done by Tuggers is just that, not a definite solution.
Owners are always going to find areas that they don't like, as other posts in this thread show.
You could have a go at asking customer advocacy to explain it, if you are suitably motivated. Their reply would be of general interest.

 

[Retired2025 aka AlmostRetired]

Yes, our enrolled PBC Platinum weeks are easily the best value of all our home resort weeks.
The nearest and only other resort giving less than $0.50 per elected point is our Grand Chateau 2Bed Platinum week at $0.462 for 2024

The 3 bedroom GC just makes it.... 2308.8/4625=.4992 .

 

[Retired2025 aka AlmostRetired]

Does anyone know what the cost per point is at the Grand Residence is for a 1/4 share? It has to be low because it seems like whenever a rented at a very good rate, it is from a GR owner.

The cost per point can be easily added as information on the MF pin on top by everyone that posts.

Glad this point was posted as a topic. I posted this point back in September but it got lost in the topic. My reason was a combination as being interesting and self serving. If I know the cost per point, I know who was flexibility in the asking.

2024 Maintenance Fees DISCUSSION THREAD

Wow...that's aggressive. The Component Expenses (underlying weeks MFs) portion of the trust budget was up 14.4%....so this appears to be on the steep side of the expected resort average. I suspect Florida resorts will take a bigger hit of the average and resorts outside of Florida may be less...

tugbbs.com

 

[Hindsite]

Does anyone know what the cost per point is at the Grand Residence is for a 1/4 share? It has to be low because it seems like whenever a rented at a very good rate, it is from a GR owner.

The cost per point can be easily added as information on the MF pin on top by everyone that posts.

Glad this point was posted as a topic. I posted this point back in September but it got lost in the topic. My reason was a combination as being interesting and self serving. If I know the cost per point, I know who was flexibility in the asking.

2024 Maintenance Fees DISCUSSION THREAD

Wow...that's aggressive. The Component Expenses (underlying weeks MFs) portion of the trust budget was up 14.4%....so this appears to be on the steep side of the expected resort average. I suspect Florida resorts will take a bigger hit of the average and resorts outside of Florida may be less...

tugbbs.com

You'd need a way to capture the season as the elected club points does vary by season, but maint fee usually doesn't for a given unit size.

 

[Retired2025 aka AlmostRetired]

You'd need a way to capture the season as the elected club points does vary by season, but maint fee usually doesn't for a given unit size.

You are correct. Right or wrong, I assume exchanging for points is a poor exchange with most resorts unless it is platinum. My last few point rentals are GR owners. This is why I am curious on the cost per point. I have been offered 2025 points at 69 cents which is a good price. Just not ready to think that far ahead until 13 months out from June 2024.

BTW, I have not been successful in negotiating yet.

 

[Hindsite]

I assume exchanging for points is a poor exchange with most resorts unless it is platinum.

It depends on what you do with the points that you elect. If you own in a season (doesn't need to be platinum) that has high variability in points required to book and the usual approach to skim is used by MVC: you can elect for club points and then book back to your home resort for a date in your season for less points than you have elected for. You can also take advantage of the Sun-Thurs rates that can be less than half of Sat and Sun reservations.
As you say some use a weeks worth of high season points to stay for 4-5 weeks in lower season and smaller units, this can work well for people who bought high season when they were locked into school schedules, but no longer have to or need to vacation then.
The rate you have been quoted for 2025 is a good one, be brave, go for it!

 

[bazzap]

It depends on what you do with the points that you elect. If you own in a season (doesn't need to be platinum) that has high variability in points required to book and the usual approach to skim is used by MVC: you can elect for club points and then book back to your home resort for a date in your season for less points than you have elected for. You can also take advantage of the Sun-Thurs rates that can be less than half of Sat and Sun reservations.
As you say some use a weeks worth of high season points to stay for 4-5 weeks in lower season and smaller units, this can work well for people who bought high season when they were locked into school schedules, but no longer have to or need to vacation then.
The rate you have been quoted for 2025 is a good one, be brave, go for it!

As well as staying longer at the same home resort in lower seasons / periods, we have also used enrolled weeks elected points to good advantage for longer stays in other MVC resorts with lower points requirements and for longer stays in smaller units when we don’t need our 2 and 3 Bed units.
Also Phuket Beach Club does not have a skim, it costs the same number of points to book in our Platinum season as we get by electing it for points.