Mass Mailing To Worldmark Owners

[LisaH]

PA-
I pledge my support for your effort. Contact me.

 

[kapish]

Hey Philip, hope you are progressing with this effort. What is the status on this?

 

[PA-]

Hey Philip, hope you are progressing with this effort. What is the status on this?

I just met today with the layout person. He's getting some artwork done, and we should finish the layout once we have it. The text is done, I've been practicing that for 2 years or more.

Should be ready next week (I hope).

 

[brittany]

PA

People that are giving to this fund, would not a better use of this money be a fund for Coral Ann. WHY WOULD YOU want to change some thing that seems to be working very well for everyone.

Except for just a few people, who I don`t think would be happy with WM even if it was changed to what they wanted.

We for one have just came back from a week at Vancouver resort where we had a grand time. Have a grand time at all our WM trips, and cannot wait to do some more.

A question I have is if PA does`t get enought money to send out this mass mailing what is he going to due with the money he collects .

Charlie and Marsha

 

[brittany]

" As for being a reseller, what makes you believe that? It isn't true." [/QUOTE] for roadsister

PA (Deleted reference to Ads), don`t you right now have on E-bay three listings.
Deleted reference to Advertising. ouaifer, Points Moderator

And you want people to turn over there proxy votes to you . When you tell Roadsister that you are not a resaler. Is this why you want the changes to WM, so you can profit from your LARGE point holdings. I would be if I were you.

Charlie

 

[PerryM]

I'm not everyone!

PA

People that are giving to this fund, would not a better use of this money be a fund for Coral Ann. WHY WOULD YOU want to change some thing that seems to be working very well for everyone.

Except for just a few people, who I don`t think would be happy with WM even if it was changed to what they wanted.

We for one have just came back from a week at Vancouver resort where we had a grand time. Have a grand time at all our WM trips, and cannot wait to do some more.

A question I have is if PA does`t get enought money to send out this mass mailing what is he going to due with the money he collects .

Charlie and Marsha

By "everyone" I hope you don't mean "everyone" since I definitely want to be left out of "everyone".

WM has a number of problems which PA is trying to address with this mailing. I wish him luck and will contribute. The simple fact that RCI, a sister company of TrendWest has indicated a desire to reduce purchasing power of WM credits by 10% should be more than enough alarm to shell out a few bucks and help alert owners who know little of the problems TW is foisting upon WorldMark, the Club.

I am also amazed that many decisions seem to be “either/or” and that we don’t have enough money to contribute to multiple activities at the same time. Let’s not turn this into asking folks to make a false decision when its not.

P.S.
The Schooner Landing I couldn't look up - too many digits in the eBay number - if you look up just the leading numbers you get:
Item # 220010528282 - a pink mini skirt - I'm not going to even comment on this one

 

[PerryM]

... and nothing but the truth!

As for being a reseller, what makes you believe that? It isn't true." for roadsister

PA , don`t you right now have on E-bay three listings.I believe so here are your listings.



And you want people to turn over there proxy votes to you . When you tell Roadsister that you are not a resaler. Is this why you want the changes to WM, so you can profit from your LARGE point holdings. I would be if I were you.

Charlie

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My interpretation of what PA (Philip) was that he was talking about a reseller of WM credits – the eBay items are NOT reselling WM credits.

Eagle Crest and Schooner Landing are traditional timeshares that have the ability to be turned into WM for WM Trade Points NOT WM credits! Many timeshares can also do the same. WM has a program that let’s you exchange your traditional timeshare for Trade Points – probably hundreds of timeshares qualify, not just the two cited.

Renting credits is certainly not reselling them.

I plan to give PA my proxy for voting – he has put the time and effort into actually contributing something to making WM a better club.

 

[PA-]

Re: I'm not everyone!

.... too many digits in the eBay number - if you look up just the leading numbers you get:
Item # 220010528282 - a pink mini skirt - I'm not going to even comment on this one

If you MUST know, Perry, I'll admit it. I put on a couple pounds, and I can no longer fit into that pink miniskirt. Wow, you know how to embarass a fellow, don't ya?

 

[BocaBum99]

" As for being a reseller, what makes you believe that? It isn't true."

for roadsister

PA , don`t you right now have on E-bay three listings.
And you want people to turn over there proxy votes to you . When you tell Roadsister that you are not a resaler. Is this why you want the changes to WM, so you can profit from your LARGE point holdings. I would be if I were you.

Charlie [/QUOTE]

Charlie,

Let me see. PA is trying to raise $100k to be sent to a mailing house not picked by him and spend all of this personal time to try to get control of the board so he can pump up the price of his eBay auctions. If that's his goal, I can tell you that there are easier ways to make a buck.

 

[Carolinian]

While Worldmark is not something that would interest me, I do support the efforts of those like PA working for owner/member democracy on t/s boards and an end to developer dictatorship on boards. While there is no need in most instances for a member controlled board to be overly hostile to the developer, the ultimate decision of what is best for members should be with the members, not the developer.

 

[BocaBum99]

" As for being a reseller, what makes you believe that? It isn't true."

for roadsister

PA , don`t you right now have on E-bay three listings.
And you want people to turn over there proxy votes to you . When you tell Roadsister that you are not a resaler. Is this why you want the changes to WM, so you can profit from your LARGE point holdings. I would be if I were you.

Charlie [/QUOTE]

Charlie,

I thought about this again and even if PA were a full reseller of WM credits, there is no conflict of interest in my mind. Having people on the board who are sympathetic to those who sell resale credits is a good thing the way I look at it.

There would be conflict if PA were a major investor or consultant or executive in a different resort developer and his objective was to throw off Trendwest in order to replace them with this developer.

For example, if Bluegreen were paying him to do what he is doing and he is successful he installs Bluegreen executives as WorldMark board members, then that would be noteworthy.

Maybe Bluegreen ought to consider paying him to do that.

 

[BocaBum99]

While Worldmark is not something that would interest me, I do support the efforts of those like PA working for owner/member democracy on t/s boards and an end to developer dictatorship on boards. While there is no need in most instances for a member controlled board to be overly hostile to the developer, the ultimate decision of what is best for members should be with the members, not the developer.

This is one thing on which we completely agree.

 

[brittany]

Peoples,

SORRY about getting the E-bay numbers wrong, I have corrected this.

BUT it still does not change the FACT that you told Roadsister that you were not a resaler and that you being a resaler was not true.

Fact,,,,,,,,,, When you buy something from someone and than put it up for sale. It is reselling that item. You can split hairs and mince words all you want but it doesn`t change the facts.

Charlie

 

[PerryM]

I'm a proud reseller too

I did not misunderstand PA’s intention. If you want to start a poll, please put me down under the column “Not a WM reseller”.

“No good deed goes unpunished” is why it takes a lot of guts to step up and actually do something constructive these days. Those that do have my gratitude and not scorn.

THE major problem with timeshares is that resales (Can I say that word here?) is NEVER brought up in the 90 minute spiel the salesreps give. Someone who has actually resold a timeshare had a tremendous amount of knowledge as to how timeshares really should be viewed – in the Buy, Use, and Sell cycle.

I don’t think someone who Resells (that awful word again) a timeshare is a bad person – I’ve sold 5 and I consider myself a decent chap. Just because the official TW web site prohibits the mentioning of Resales does not mean that folks who resell timeshares should be viewed with disdain.

P.S.
I’m not sure why PA wasn’t given the courtesy of being asked for a clarification of his statement before Inspector Clouseau was called in. Link: http://inspectorclouseau.com/

 

[ladycody]

WHY WOULD YOU want to change some thing that seems to be working very well for everyone.

Except for just a few people, who I don`t think would be happy with WM even if it was changed to what they wanted.

I dont want to be included in the "everyone" above either...nor does my mother, nor my in-laws...(and they're all new owners who bought knowing some of the potential issues but with faith that "right" will prevail.)

My concern regarding these issues doesnt mean that I dont love WM right now. What it does mean is that there are some trends and occurances that dont bode well for the future of WM if continued...and it's that which concerns me....greatly.

As for Philip...there is no benefit to be gained by him that I can see with regard to his efforts....other than winning a moral victory while protecting the future of the TS he purchased. To quote Perry..."he has put the time and effort into actually contributing something to making WM a better club." I respect his efforts and believe he is honestly concerned about the Club's future and about the principles involved.

 

[melschey]

" As for being a reseller, what makes you believe that? It isn't true."

for roadsister

PA, don`t you right now have on E-bay three listings.
And you want people to turn over there proxy votes to you . When you tell Roadsister that you are not a resaler. Is this why you want the changes to WM, so you can profit from your LARGE point holdings. I would be if I were you.

Charlie [/QUOTE]
I love WorldMark and I am not anti -TrendWest/Cendant but I feel that the WM BOD should be looking out for the WM owners not for what the Cendant shareholders. There is a serious conflict of interest when people that have a fiduciary responsibility to the Cendant shareholders are also WM BOD members. In short I Trust PA far more that I trust the Cendant controlled WM BOD

 

[PA-]

Once again, I respectfully ask anyone who has comments/questions or wants to voice support to please email me, or join the discussion at wmowners.com

Doesn't matter what SHOULD be, only what is. And what IS is that the moderators prefer that this forum not be the stump for political discussions.

So PLEASE, don't post anymore arguements, retorts, support, or anything else. Those opposed to my efforts are free to post anything they want, and keep this thread near the top. I believe it's important to keep it here for any stragglers that haven't read it yet, so more worldmark owners can see it.

Thanks to all for their kind support, but I respectfully ask that no further arguements be made on my behalf. I'd like this thread to remain open for as many owners as possible to see, and the moderators have made it clear that any arguing will get it closed. Please allow those that question my motives or integrity to post at will, to keep bumping this thread to the top, with NO rebuttals. Most of you know my motives. Any new readers in the future can easily find them out by emailing me or by reading any of my posts over the last 3 years on any of the forums related to worldmark.

 

[Robnsunny]

The moderators seem to be confusing a healthy debate with arguing. Even though I'm not a Worldmark owner, I'm following this thread with great interest.

This topic is important to those with any ownership in resorts with developer controled boards. It is important that both Phillip's detractors and supporters be heard. Don't quash the debate!

 

[blueparrot]

Agreed. Well said.

The moderators seem to be confusing a healthy debate with arguing. Even though I'm not a Worldmark owner, I'm following this thread with great interest.

This topic is important to those with any ownership in resorts with developer controled boards. It is important that both Phillip's detractors and supporters be heard. Don't quash the debate!

 

[Jya-Ning]

This topic is important to those with any ownership in resorts with developer controled boards. It is important that both Phillip's detractors and supporters be heard. Don't quash the debate!

I have the same feeling.

Jya-Ning

 

[Steve]

Keep the discussion polite...but keep it going!

I think a healthy debate on this subject is very important as well. To only post negative comments and not be able to post positive responses is pretty lame. There are a lot of people who aren't going to take the time to go to other websites nor look back on the history of Philip and WorldMark for the past three years...and these people will have a very negative view of Philip's efforts if that's all they read here. I think that is one-sided, and it's unhealthy.

Indeed, I believe that this sort of discussion...the pros and cons of a developer controlled board vs. an independent owner controlled board...is the reason that TUG was started in the first place. Regardless of what side of the debate you are on, this is a very important topic for the present and future of timesharing.

Steve

 

[rickandcindy23]

PA, where are you staying tonight?

Did you get an empty unit at Pines or Twin Rivers? I should have mentioned that as a possibility. I believe you could stay for free...........

 

[PA-]

PA, where are you staying tonight?

Did you get an empty unit at Pines or Twin Rivers? I should have mentioned that as a possibility. I believe you could stay for free...........

I decided I wanted to check out our new Worldmark resort at Estes Park. I'm there now, and it's spectacular. Love it. This is truly God's country.

 

[BocaBum99]

I decided I wanted to check out our new Worldmark resort at Estes Park. I'm there now, and it's spectacular. Love it. This is truly God's country.

I was just there last week in unit 10101 right next to the River. Spent 3 nights there. It was terrific.

Also, I flew through Denver today on the way home from our drive across country. It's a small world...

 

[Judy]

Philip,
I support your effort to get an independent owner elected to the Worldmark BOD. I wish that you would publicly answer the criticisms/questions that have been posted. I think it would give you more credibility and improve your chances of success.