LIST OF LIES!!!

[mgaiser]

Do you have recent, personal experiences to report about resale conversion(s)?

Maybe we need a "List of Lies on TUG".

There are personal experiences from 4 years ago that contradict. I doubt the situation has improved.

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No guarantees, of course, but Wyndham is always taking over new resorts, and that is a great "in" for people wanting to convert their current resorts to Club Wyndham. We did this years ago at the PAHIO resorts. I was buying units to use at Bali Hai and Shearwater, where we really enjoyed...

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I am not sure what you are implying. The post I responded to said that they were told that they could convert their resale points into VIP with a purchase. I merely stated that could have been true. It depends on where they were buying and what location the sales person was selling. This was a thing at several resorts and still is on some specific cases. When Wyndham bought Shell, all Shell owners were able to "convert" their ownership into Wyndham regardless of how they purchased it. If you owned a SVC Hawaii Kona Coast II and you wanted to bring it into Wyndham the year that they bought Shell, you could do so and it came in as VIP.

In no way is it always the case. I am sure that if someone posts specific cases that still exist today that they would quickly disappear.
I merely stated that did actually happen in certain resorts, which is quite true.

 

[rapmarks]

I have a home in a timeshare resort and have heard a lot of lies.
sales staff are often very short term, don’t know the answer, make something up. long term, make something up just for fun

i have had timeshare people in my yard taking firewood or blackberries because the time share salesmen told them lies about the homes in the neighborhood.
i try to rent my timeshare out. Some #&#% salesmen told them that the ones with certain siding were new and remodeled. So I put a generic picture up with the ad and some women gets on and tells an interested person that that is an old one, rent one with a different siding. When I point out that they are identical inside and the same age ,she goes ballistic on me.
if a person who was in the service would be on timeshare tour, the salesmen would tell them that certain houses Belonged to a colonel so and so, likewise for police men, etc.
I could tell lots of stories about other antics. I regret not writing them down over the years. It would be a great tv series.

 

[gwberg]

LOL #5
YOU MUST BUY TO GET INTO T&L. YOURE POINTS WON'T WORK IN THE NEW SYSTEM.
There is no "new system". Travel & Leisure is just the new name of the company. That is all.
YOU MUST BUY TO GET VACASA.
No you do not.

True. You do not need to buy.


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[Panzerman45]

I enjoy listening to the lies...... as long as I get a $200 Visa gift card or a pile of points. Get my freebies and leave. As I have 365 days off per year, a couple hours out of my day is nothing.

 

[Panzerman45]

You forgot one:

"This is not a sales center, we are just here to educate you about your ownership"

One of my favorites

 

[HitchHiker71]

I am not sure what you are implying. The post I responded to said that they were told that they could convert their resale points into VIP with a purchase. I merely stated that could have been true. It depends on where they were buying and what location the sales person was selling. This was a thing at several resorts and still is on some specific cases. When Wyndham bought Shell, all Shell owners were able to "convert" their ownership into Wyndham regardless of how they purchased it. If you owned a SVC Hawaii Kona Coast II and you wanted to bring it into Wyndham the year that they bought Shell, you could do so and it came in as VIP.

In no way is it always the case. I am sure that if someone posts specific cases that still exist today that they would quickly disappear.
I merely stated that did actually happen in certain resorts, which is quite true.

In general this is not true. Many years ago - and by that I mean 15+ years ago now - Wyndham allowed certain loopholes for resale to developer points conversions when also purchasing additional developer points in the process. I do not believe we have had any reports of success doing this here on TUG since 2018 timeframe when I became a member and timeshare owner. The important reality to point out is that even if this is done surreptitiously by the sales department, subsequent audits will correct these errors eventually - as is clearly evidenced by the owners who post both here and on the FB groups stating that they lost VIP status some years later due to these types of circumstances once their accounts underwent an audit. I’m not going to say it is not possible, but I will provide fair warning that audits may reverse the VIP levels and/or status and correctly label the resale contracts back to their correct status within the system.

The reference to the SVC conversions applying even to resale SVC contracts converting to Wyndham developer points may have had some truth for a limited period of time after the initial purchase of SVC by Wyndham, but I can assure you it was only for a limited time period and is certainly not the case now.


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[mgaiser]

In general this is not true. Many years ago - and by that I mean 15+ years ago now - Wyndham allowed certain loopholes for resale to developer points conversions when also purchasing additional developer points in the process. I do not believe we have had any reports of success doing this here on TUG since 2018 timeframe when I became a member and timeshare owner. The important reality to point out is that even if this is done surreptitiously by the sales department, subsequent audits will correct these errors eventually - as is clearly evidenced by the owners who post both here and on the FB groups stating that they lost VIP status some years later due to these types of circumstances once their accounts underwent an audit. I’m not going to say it is not possible, but I will provide fair warning that audits may reverse the VIP levels and/or status and correctly label the resale contracts back to their correct status within the system.

The reference to the SVC conversions applying even to resale SVC contracts converting to Wyndham developer points may have had some truth for a limited period of time after the initial purchase of SVC by Wyndham, but I can assure you it was only for a limited time period and is certainly not the case now.


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I agree with all of that.

 

[rickandcindy23]

When salespeople have to lie to sell, it's because the product is bad. This product is not "bad" but it's not worth the money people pay, so basically the salespeople believe in the product, but they probably know that it's not worth anywhere near what they are asking people to pay.

 

[OutSkiing]

One variant is that CWA vs. Select has an impact on what you can see or book inside 10 months, not just in ARP. Some people really strongly believe this. And that in this scenario, Select seems to apply to all Select properties, not just their home resort.

We were in an update today and the guy was really good at trying to convince us that since we did not own any CWA, we were only seeing the CWS inventory even within 10 months. Especially important whether we see availability within the 60 day discount window as a VIP owner. He was saying that its up to the resort whether to open the CWA inventory to non-CWA owners .. same as whether to let inventory open to RCI or worldmark. He seemed absolutely convinced as do other salespeople we’ve met in the past at Pompano locations. We are going to compare availability with a friend who owns access to check this out.

 

[LegacyOwner]

LOL #6
THERE ARE 2 TYPES OF CWA INVENTORY.
ONE WITH HIGHER MAINTENANCE AND NO EQUITY.
ONE WITH LOWER MAINTENANCE AND INCLUDES YOUR EQUITY.
All CWA is the same. Same availability. Same maintenance.
Your "Equity" is simply how much you've spent for contracts being traded.
You have no real "Equity".

 

[Verga]

I have done probably 6 updates over the last 2 years, including one in September and one in October. It's been several years since any of the sales weasels have tried to use the "renting points to offset maintenance fees" line. They used to hit that one hard, but I have seen them seriously back off of that since they have made changes to eliminate "non-Extra Vacations" renting.

They have pivoted to the even more ridiculous "buy more points so you can convert them to pay maintenance fees" lie. I love to throw that one right back in their face because the math does not work.

Thank you for your time, I will take my $150 AMEX card and leave now, if I need more points, I know where to buy them (on ebay)

Those were the lies that actually sold my wife and I on the program. I could kick myself now.

 

[DouginSC]

We no longer attend the "owners update meeting"as they like to call it, at our resort and have never given up our week to purchase points with Wyndham. It was actually an honest person that worked in Owner Services at our resort that advised us to keep our week no matter what and to not convert to points. Never made sense to me anyway why I'd give up my week to pay for something else that I already had.

 

[WManning]

We were in an update today and the guy was really good at trying to convince us that since we did not own any CWA, we were only seeing the CWS inventory even within 10 months. Especially important whether we see availability within the 60 day discount window as a VIP owner. He was saying that its up to the resort whether to open the CWA inventory to non-CWA owners .. same as whether to let inventory open to RCI or worldmark. He seemed absolutely convinced as do other salespeople we’ve met in the past at Pompano locations. We are going to compare availability with a friend who owns access to check this out.

I'm pretty sure you will find out very little of what is spewed from their lips contain much truth.

 

[Floridaman76]

Still, if you don't mind beating them at their own game, and more importantly, you have time to do it, you can make money off of them. I've been at Wyndham resorts every day since December 14 and done 3 updates (Branson, Steamboat Springs, La Belle Maison), could have done a 4th (Glade) if I had time, and made almost $600. One of the resorts I stayed at also didn't have a sales center (Taos).

They were all very non-confrontational too. Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe I have just learned how to play their games back at them.

But by all means, if you have real vacation activities to do, do them. I'm just doing them if I can fit them in and I can make at least $175 per sitting.

 

[moonstone]

When salespeople have to lie to sell, it's because the product is bad. This product is not "bad" but it's not worth the money people pay, so basically the salespeople believe in the product, but they probably know that it's not worth anywhere near what they are asking people to pay.

I think many sales people are as brainwashed as some of the folks they sell to. Years ago when we did an 'owners update' at VV@Pkwy the salesman was just astounded at all the free timeshares being given away when I showed him the section here on TUG. He said he had heard of cheap resales but didnt know some were absolutely free. He then told us that we, or any resale owner, would not be able to stay in a nice resort such as theirs or in peak(ish) time anywhere. I said well we are staying here, and for 2 weeks (1 wk in a 2 bedroom) using just some of the points from our free one, and we are on the top floor facing south overlooking the pool, in exactly the location we asked for. He didnt know what to say, so he got the closer and we were at gifting within 5 minutes.


~Diane

 

[moonstone]

Still, if you don't mind beating them at their own game, and more importantly, you have time to do it, you can make money off of them. I've been at Wyndham resorts every day since December 14 and done 3 updates (Branson, Steamboat Springs, La Belle Maison), could have done a 4th (Glade) if I had time, and made almost $600. One of the resorts I stayed at also didn't have a sales center (Taos).

They were all very non-confrontational too. Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe I have just learned how to play their games back at them.

But by all means, if you have real vacation activities to do, do them. I'm just doing them if I can fit them in and I can make at least $175 per sitting.

We once did 3 updates/presentations for 3 different resorts in 1 week in Kissimmee years ago while killing time waiting for family to arrive. Two of the days were rainy so we didnt mind being inside. We got enough money on gift cards to pay all our gas for the 3 weeks we were in FL and part of our drive home and we took the family out for a nice meal with one of the cards.

As soon as we sit down we always tell them we are there at their invitation and have no intention to add to our timeshare collection unless they can beat our last acquisition cost which was zero dollars. We were never there for longer than 2 hours, and often just over an hour.


~Diane

 

[OutSkiing]

We were in an update today and the guy was really good at trying to convince us that since we did not own any CWA, we were only seeing the CWS inventory even within 10 months. Especially important whether we see availability within the 60 day discount window as a VIP owner. He was saying that its up to the resort whether to open the CWA inventory to non-CWA owners .. same as whether to let inventory open to RCI or worldmark. He seemed absolutely convinced as do other salespeople we’ve met in the past at Pompano locations. We are going to compare availability with a friend who owns access to check this out.

Just to complete this thought, we had an opportunity to compare inventory last night between our VIP account which has only CW Select inventory and our friend who owns CWA resale and owns no developer purchased points. We spot checked 3 resorts for availability at various times well within 10 months. We tried resorts we knew had CWA and those where we have trouble finding inventory within the discount window. Every resort and time slot we checked had matching inventory.

 

[WManning]

Just to complete this thought, we had an opportunity to compare inventory last night between our VIP account which has only CW Select inventory and our friend who owns CWA resale and owns no developer purchased points. We spot checked 3 resorts for availability at various times well within 10 months. We tried resorts we knew had CWA and those where we have trouble finding inventory within the discount window. Every resort and time slot we checked had matching inventory.

The sales team caught in another lie or just dumb luck that inventory showed on either side of the coin?

 

[OutSkiing]

The sales team caught in another lie or just dumb luck that inventory showed on either side of the coin?

Sales caught in a lie I would say. I cannot see how dumb luck would cause all the same unit styles and counts to be the same unless in fact CWA inventory and CWS inventory are both available to both accounts.

 

[WManning]

Sales caught in a lie I would say. I cannot see how dumb luck would cause all the same unit styles and counts to be the same unless in fact CWA inventory and CWS inventory are both available to both accounts.

It was satire, of course it was another lie from the sales team. Remember they are not there to help you use your ownership. They are out to help themselves to your back pocket.

 

[LegacyOwner]

LOL #7
THERE IS NO "INSURANCE" THAT YOU CAN BUY.
THERE IS NO DEED THAT GIVES YOU PROTECTION OF YOUR INVESTMENT.
and
MAINTENENCE DOES NOT RISE 10% OR MORE PER YEAR EVER, LET ALONE FOR THE NEXT 10.
If they say you are protected simply call corporate to ask if anything like that exists. It does not under any circumstances.

 

[90_Min_Sales_Pitch]

We have a 2 year waiting list, this property is in very high demand. Though if you're really lucky, something could get released while you're here.

 

[ShawnH]

When salespeople have to lie to sell, it's because the product is bad. This product is not "bad" but it's not worth the money people pay, so basically the salespeople believe in the product, but they probably know that it's not worth anywhere near what they are asking people to pay.

while no timeshare typically retains its developer value CLub wyndham could do alot to increase the value of both developer and resale contracts by doing a few things and cutting out the misleading sales tactics that are basically done to get the hefty commission. First thing to do is to actually have perks that have value. Second would be actually pay the sales staff more money to be present and lower the commissions and eliminate the commission for the concierge desk preventing them from being so pushy. Also having better "discounts" for existing owners who add more points couldnt hurt. Another thing is I wonder how much its costing them in "free gifts".

there are lots of other things they could do, and none of them will ever happen. Im sure they will continue to fail sideways and upwards.

 

[dioxide45]

while no timeshare typically retains its developer value CLub wyndham could do alot to increase the value of both developer and resale contracts by doing a few things and cutting out the misleading sales tactics that are basically done to get the hefty commission. First thing to do is to actually have perks that have value. Second would be actually pay the sales staff more money to be present and lower the commissions and eliminate the commission for the concierge desk preventing them from being so pushy. Also having better "discounts" for existing owners who add more points couldnt hurt. Another thing is I wonder how much its costing them in "free gifts".

there are lots of other things they could do, and none of them will ever happen. Im sure they will continue to fail sideways and upwards.

On average, Club Wyndham makes about $3000 per timeshare tour. This is VPG and is net contract sales divided by the number of tours. The truth is that timeshares are a product that is sold, not bought. No one goes into a presentation looking to buy a timeshare but a lot come out with one. If they stop the current sales model, contract sales would collapse.