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Is this a good deal? 16,000 points at seaworld HGVC! I paid $2000. I can use these points anywhere I believe, correct? Need some honest answers! Thank

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I know people who spend $500+/night on a room let alone a 2 or 3 bedroom.

You only live once. Buy what you want and enjoy. (If you can afford it. It's better than a $1,000 a month car payment).

Someone will get a better deal. Developer purchasers pay 5-10x this price. Relax and enjoy.
 

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Isn't it also true that the likelihood of finding plat offered at the same price that OP paid for Gold is most unlikely? How much would OP have had to pay if those were Plat deeds? OP would have to factor in that cost.

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Platinum almost always cost a lot more than gold to purhase - hence the higher "buy in" price as referenced. As stated earlier by other OPs, if you are in for the long run it is likely cheaper to spend more up front and less per year.

As also referenced, a platinum unit is more desireable to a seller if you do decide to sell.

I agree with other posters that this is not a "bad" deal, but there are far better deals to be had.
 
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I think this is most definitely a bad deal.

Here are two listings from Judi K for 8000 point Seaworld gold deeds. Asking price of $500 each. I think someone would probably have an excellent chance of buying them for $1 each, especially with upcoming MF payments due at the end of the year.

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The take home is that these are undesirable deeds for most people hence the asking price of $500. After paying a broker's commission, these sellers are literally going to be paying to give away their deeds. The thought of a $2000 timeshare with free 16000 point from 2023 sounds enticing but there is a a reason you're getting a "deal" like that.

While there may be uncertainty about what the value of a platinum deed will be 5-10 years in the future, I can confidently say that there is no uncertainty what a deed like this will be worth in the future.
 
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Something like that but a table with many timeshare properties so you could compare properties over a time period to see how much "x" went up vs "y". Just need properties going down the page and the MF total by year across the page. Given that you can slice and dice for analysis.
If you actually want (need) that information, it can be obtained from our MF database. You can download it from this post.

 

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I think this is most definitely a bad deal.

Here are two listings from Judi K for 8000 point Seaworld gold deeds. Asking price of $500 each. I think someone would probably have an excellent chance of buying them for $1 each, especially with upcoming MF payments due at the end of the year.

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The take home is that these are undesirable deeds for most people hence the asking price of $500. After paying a broker's commission, these sellers are literally going to be paying to give away their deeds. The thought of a $2000 timeshare with free 16000 point from 2023 sounds enticing but there is a a reason you're getting a "deal" like that.

While there may be uncertainty about what the value of a platinum deed will be 5-10 years in the future, I can confidently say that there is no uncertainty what a deed like this will be worth in the future.

I appreciate this post and certainly like the context. I know I will have to be a little nervous in the future if and when I choose to sell.

I don’t know how this if at all changes your mind but they told me last night that based on the time the sellers are also going to pay the 2024 fees and paid to roll the points over.


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I appreciate this post and certainly like the context. I know I will have to be a little nervous in the future if and when I choose to sell.

I don’t know how this if at all changes your mind but they told me last night that based on the time the sellers are also going to pay the 2024 fees and paid to roll the points over.


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That really helps and shows how much they want to sell it. If they are willing to pay 2024 MFs, I am surprised they don't keep it and continue to look for buyer who is willing to reimburse the 2024 MFs but who knows their situation.
 

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I appreciate this post and certainly like the context. I know I will have to be a little nervous in the future if and when I choose to sell.

I don’t know how this if at all changes your mind but they told me last night that based on the time the sellers are also going to pay the 2024 fees and paid to roll the points over.


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Your point, in so many words is it's a good deal for 2023 and 2024 because it comes with points, it will be a fair deal over the years with sort of high, but not impossibly high MFs, and it will be a bit rough to transfer to someone else in the future. As long as you are clear about the slightly higher (but not terrible) ongoing cost and the hoops you may have to jump through on the back end, it's fine. You know you are accepting an extra good benefit today that may cost you a bit down the road. It just needs to be a "eyes wide open" decision.

And, it's still way better than the likely $30k or likely more that the original buyer paid for it.
 

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Your point, in so many words is it's a good deal for 2023 and 2024 because it comes with points, it will be a fair deal over the years with sort of high, but not impossibly high MFs, and it will be a bit rough to transfer to someone else in the future. As long as you are clear about the slightly higher (but not terrible) ongoing cost and the hoops you may have to jump through on the back end, it's fine. You know you are accepting an extra good benefit today that may cost you a bit down the road. It just needs to be a "eyes wide open" decision.

And, it's still way better than the likely $30k or likely more that the original buyer paid for it.

Yeah. We just had a presentation and they tried to sell us 11,200 points for $50K. Haha so I’m feeling pretty good about these points at this price point.


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That really helps and shows how much they want to sell it. If they are willing to pay 2024 MFs, I am surprised they don't keep it and continue to look for buyer who is willing to reimburse the 2024 MFs but who knows their situation.

As always, thank you! Much appreciated and you have certainly made me feel a lot better about this purchase.


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I think this is most definitely a bad deal.

Here are two listings from Judi K for 8000 point Seaworld gold deeds. Asking price of $500 each. I think someone would probably have an excellent chance of buying them for $1 each, especially with upcoming MF payments due at the end of the year.

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The take home is that these are undesirable deeds for most people hence the asking price of $500. After paying a broker's commission, these sellers are literally going to be paying to give away their deeds. The thought of a $2000 timeshare with free 16000 point from 2023 sounds enticing but there is a a reason you're getting a "deal" like that.

While there may be uncertainty about what the value of a platinum deed will be 5-10 years in the future, I can confidently say that there is no uncertainty what a deed like this will be worth in the future.
Great points.

These deals have about $2899 in closing costs attached ($500 +$2000 + $655 extra HGVC activation fee + $199) = $3354 total costs plus don't have any points included AFAIK. So may have MF above this cost. The broker makes all of the (limited) money from this deal in closing costs. Seller may be paying the broker fee out of pocket because there is not enough money in the sale to pay for this.

OP Deal = $2000 + 2 HGVC activation fees @655 + 2023 membership $199 = $3509. No MF costs for 16k. No closing costs. Seller is likely paying for closing costs so $1000+ cash out of pocket.

IMHO, I would run from all of these deals for the reasons described earlier because I like to sleep at night. Others may be willing to roll the dice for short term rewards.

The MF is not disastrous. I would be more inclined to run from properties where MF > 2.5 K because that MF will be very painful to gather cash every year.

One advantage of this timeshare is that it is based in Florida so it is a non-judicial, anti-deficiency state so worst case if cannot sell or give away and HGVC won't deed back, owner or heirs can walk if they don't object to foreclosure and hounding by credit agencies for a couple of years. But is the reward worth the risk?
 
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Yeah. We just had a presentation and they tried to sell us 11,200 points for $50K. Haha so I’m feeling pretty good about these points at this price point.
There is a point where the deal is good enough and you're happy.

As long as you use the TS you're going to be just fine. The flexibility of Studio to 3-Bedroom use and location options can extend these points into more nights for you to enjoy.

The buying process takes months, so just be prepared to wait. The excitement of the decision will be gone.
 

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As always, thank you! Much appreciated and you have certainly made me feel a lot better about this purchase.


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As long as you use and enjoy this for years to come it will all be good. The sellers are helping with the extras, for sure.
 

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I appreciate this post and certainly like the context. I know I will have to be a little nervous in the future if and when I choose to sell.

I don’t know how this if at all changes your mind but they told me last night that based on the time the sellers are also going to pay the 2024 fees and paid to roll the points over.


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Your point, in so many words is it's a good deal for 2023 and 2024 because it comes with points, it will be a fair deal over the years with sort of high, but not impossibly high MFs, and it will be a bit rough to transfer to someone else in the future. As long as you are clear about the slightly higher (but not terrible) ongoing cost and the hoops you may have to jump through on the back end, it's fine. You know you are accepting an extra good benefit today that may cost you a bit down the road. It just needs to be a "eyes wide open" decision.

And, it's still way better than the likely $30k or likely more that the original buyer paid for it.

The bolded part is missed by many new buyers. The ease at which you can divest yourself is so underrated. Even if it's not an emergency, you still want to be able to sell or give away your deed quickly and easily. When we bought our deeds, they both were a hot commodity. We were able to purchase The Flamingo because we inquired just after the previous deal fell through. We were waiting in the wings and purchased it for a good price ($4500). We could easily get what we paid for out of that Flamingo deed. The Boulevard was bought through a Facebook group and the gentleman was just done with the program. He used it for 15 years, but no longer fit their travel needs. He had 2 very good deeds (2 bedroom platinum deeds and Boulevard and Paradise) and they were taken in minutes after posting them on the group. He was able to not pay anything to get rid of the deeds and I got a great deal on the deed ($2500). If we were to sell now, we would make money off of the deed (close to $3000).

Look, I don't think there is one way to purchase an HGVC resale deed. At least in my case, I'm not trying to say anybody should feel horrible on any purchase. Personally, I would not purchase the deeds mentioned above, but I understand why someone would. Honestly, I wouldn't purchase (or even take one on free) any Florida deed unless I was going to use the week itself. The Florida resort MF's have traditionally been higher and, because of state laws and outrageous insurance rates, will continue to rise more than that of other places (at least that's my prediction). I like the fact that my Vegas properties are not in the salty, humid air, have very low property taxes and, apart from a true natural disaster, not a whole lot that can happen to the properties. I also was very lucky and got very good deals on my deeds. If I were to have bought them at todays rates, I would have spent over $10,000 before any fees or closing costs.

I am not arrogant enough to believe that my thought process is the best and only way to be in the system. There's something to be said for paying as little upfront as you can. Things happen and my deeds that have been easy to get rid of might just not be in the future. I believe that my deeds (and deeds like mine) will retain more value (thus making them easier to divest) than deeds from most other places, but I could be very wrong. Here's the thing, the amount I paid for my deeds have already paid for themselves in some of if not the best vacations my family has had. I got to know my future SiL very well over the vacations and it helped him become part of our family faster. We would have had the same family time whether we purchased in Vegas or Seaworld. We are hyper focused on value here at TUG. We have explored, studied and discussed this system to death. We all have our preferred way to work the system to our advantage. In all reality, the only thing that matters is if you, or anybody else is happy with their purchase. There are people that know the advantages of resale but, for whatever reason, will always buy from HGV directly. I have friends that are that way. They either like the status, are more comfortable with the closing process. are afraid of be scammed, or other reasons. If they are happy than who am I to say they are wrong.

I like having the different ways of purchasing the resale deeds talked about here. New members can be exposed to different ways of purchasing and make their own choice.
 
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I think that everyone has given the OP their opinions in order for them to make an informed decision.
 

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If you actually want (need) that information, it can be obtained from our MF database. You can download it from this post.

I'll take a look. Thanks!

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That really helps and shows how much they want to sell it. If they are willing to pay 2024 MFs, I am surprised they don't keep it and continue to look for buyer who is willing to reimburse the 2024 MFs but who knows their situation.

Its hard to know everyone's situation. Sometimes people just want to be done and gone with things. When my father passed, he had many items that we had to distribute or dispose of. He did not have any timeshares, but did have a lot of theoretically valuable art. Similar to Timeshares, it can be hard to sell unless you find the right person.

There are a number of pieces i just let go for whatever I could get..

If this is being sold as part of an estate, divorce, etc. I can easily see someone just wanting it sold and gone.
 

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Don't ever forget the time value of your initial buy. You can use that money to invest in VOO which generate you 10% per year. I have very high income and lives in California so I have to hold that stock and never sell. Or at least sell them when I retire in Florida with a drained 401k account. If you have children, you can just keep it forever.

Think it this way, assuming the market price can hold, all you lost is the transaction fees, which is very steep for HGVC, about 1500-2000$. Recouping/reducing that cost is hard. You can do so by buying with a deal, or hold the line to sell at higher price like tochoa25.

I have an excel sheet to calculate the per point mf with opportunity cost and usually yields the same result when I use 10% with 50% marginal tax as opportunity cost.

I have recently started to switch to 10% as I am starting to grow stronger financial-wise and feel confident in holding VOO for decades.

Let's go back to OP's deal, the free 16k might give him 3000-4000$ worth of saving immediately. Which generates a 400$/year revenue stream compounding each year. The saving in initial price than buying platinum can also generates revenue stream compounding each year. Maybe OP can't hold VOO like I do but maybe OP can put more money into 401k. These revenue stream can be counted towards your MF and brings the actual cost down.

I think it is more of a decision of financial status and how you want to distribute your capital.

2 more important things:
1. I can't sleep well if I bought too many low-mf/points contract, I am afraid that one day they will devalue more than garbage contract. I can't put an exact number of the possibility but please diversify your investment.
2. Buying more points than you need is the worst.
 
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