Introducing WYNDHAM Club Pass

[vacationhopeful]

Let me TRY to point out the HOLES in your discourse of words:

Points go to RCI for a exchange (NOWHERES IS RCI mentioned in the Wyndham Club PASS info that the platform used would be RCI), now that Wyndham Club Pass appears to be operational for the select few based on points WHOSE POINTS? Are you saying topics of discussion here on TUG threads?, conversation with CSAs? In your dream state? being given for what appears to be designated units that formally used to be available to Wyndham Club Plus members , those points, more than likely, will be used to scarf up the better timeframes and resorts from Club Wyndham Access et. al. SINCE no CWP or CWA members can book those units til the 9 month mark, how good will the demand be -- if NOT taken by the DEEDED owners of those resorts or by the points deeded into CWA This would then presumably leave more off season resorts go to the discount windows. OFF season units are usually available after the ARP booking window FOR all CWA/CWP owners to book.

The mega rentor group The current info I have is, rentals would NOT be allowed would be the ones that could afford to take the $99 fee and pass it on to their customers for the high demand resorts Again, YOU are assuming HIGH DEMAND times less than 10 months out WOULD NOT have been booked during the ARP process..

Robert,
It is HARD to understand your logic. You believe "the mega renter group" is a group - almost all of them are individuals or families who brought points to use for retirement stays, the extended family vacations events --- just like YOUR mother. You are managing HER original Platinum ownership - it is fortunate YOU have the MONEY to pay for the MFs and the time to USE the vacation stays personally. And whether you ask for $$$ from your siblings, kids, or cousins, is NONE of my business. And I don't CARE, if some of YOUR GUESTS are your newly discussed by YOU, are "FRIENDS with green backs".

Your distain for other owners use of their vacation points MATCHES the sales staff unhappiness SALES STAFF feels towards MANY owners who did not enrich the sales department by spending 100 fold MORE for their Wyndham vacation points. These are the same OWNERS who pay the exact SAME MFs are YOU and YOUR family - but get less and less access and usage each year. REMEMBER, VIP status DOES NOT TRANSFER to resale owners -- so the sales department is NOT continuing to FUND/PAY for those benefits/discounts/upgrades. And don't even TRY to imply that Wyndham FUNDED those benefits at the initial time of purchase. Perhaps, Wyndham ISSUE is, SALES are harder at those inflated developer prices due to the INTERNET, the ECOMONY, fewer GOLDEN FLEECEable retirees. resort market is saturated and "difficult to get" funding to build those shiney NEW resorts.

WHY should there be a continual destruction of benefits to "RESALE" owners? If Wyndham was REALLY interested in keeping the value in their developer points, Wyndham SHOULD buy the cheap Wyndham points off eBAY. A dollar per 1k of points -- all they could possible need ... just with the click of a mouse.

 

[comicbookman]

Im not saying you are wrong, I just dont understand what you are saying,

You seem to be making a distinction between the old Fairfield resorts and the new UDI resorts, But both are part of club pass. and both are and have been available to all Wyndham points owners. Remember "points are points"

You talk about availability going to Club Pass. as if it leaves Club Wyndham when it does... I dont think thats true. The available Wyndham inventory will still be available to us Wyndham owners, but at 9 months will be available to a select number of Worldmark owners too

And why do you call out Club Wyndham access? This inventory is available to all Wyndham points owners at 10 months and whats available at 9 months will become available to Worldmark owners too. Thats no different than inventory that is not part of CWA


No doubt Wyndham is trying to make points bought from them seem much more valuable than points bought on the secondary market. And to give their salesmen another benefit to talk about (more dots on the map (more vacation choices) is a favorite topic. But we dont need you trying to add to the confusion with what Linda called "Dribble" But as we know, "Points are Points" and that wont change with Club Pass

Dont try to draw a line between old Fairfield owners, CWA members, UDI owners etc etc... we all own points and again as you know, but refuse to acknowledge, Points are Points.... If a resale owner wants those Worldmark resorts available to them, all they have to do is buy a few Worldmark Credits.(on the secondary market).

Thanks Ron and Linda for calling them as you see them. This time he makes even less sense than usual. I have to say his posts are definitely a barrier to new members as well as members like me who are trying to absorb as much useful information as possible. At least, since I read everything, I usually learn from the explanations as to why he is in his own little world.

 

[scootr5]

Thanks Ron and Linda for calling them as you see them. This time he makes even less sense than usual. I have to say his posts are definitely a barrier to new members as well as members like me who are trying to absorb as much useful information as possible. At least, since I read everything, I usually learn from the explanations as to why he is in his own little world.

It gets even more difficult to follow since he uses two different user names.

 

[vacationhopeful]

It gets even more difficult to follow since he uses two different user names.

Esp when he quotes his "other" self ...:hysterical::ignore:

And that is WHY I use the "Robert" title to address whichever alter-ego or personality is posting ... be it either rrlongwell or lcml11.

 

[Deb from NC]

I'm a little confused ...as a lowly Wyndham resale owner, I did notice that I can no longer see some of the Worldmark resorts (eg-Estes Park, West Yellowstone) that I used to be able to see when I was looking on line for a reservation. Do I understand correctly that now I could only reserve those at 9 months out and by paying a $ 99 fee ? (I normally use almost all my points at my home resort OTA anyway, so this won't matter much, but I do want to understand....). Or can I not get anything in Worldmark at all ?
thanks, Deb

 

[vacationhopeful]

Deb,
There is little known (as in print to us owners) at this time.

Yes, that is WHY the Worldmark resorts are NOT showing up.

Yes, the Wyndham Pass program has a $99 "exchange fee" (as we believe from other documents).

No, VIP discounts and upgrades will NOT be happening.

As a resale owner with only resale points, it is a crap shoot. One gleeful poster is more than happy to dance on the heads of owners of resale points.

I, myself, personally, talked to a member of Owner Care this AM (snow storm and other issue) who with a question or two, told me there had been NO TRAINING on RESALE Points as unusable with the PASS system. And as far as the $99 fee, each member number (according to her) gets 1 FREE yearly "booking" fee of $99 per year.

I believe other links provided earlier, do have the "NO CAN USE in PASS" for resale points. Of course, knowing the "GREAT and WONDERFUL OZ "computer system, Wyndham may not have that ownership issue available on their reservation system to enable the distinction or accounting process.

 

[Deb from NC]

Hi Linda,
Thanks for your help ! I will be interested to see how all of this shakes out....
It would have been nice if Wyndham had let us know what they were doing before taking resorts away, but that seems to be fairly typical operating procedure for them

 

[comicbookman]

As someone who owns both resale and developer (moron me) points the only world marks visible to me are the 2 in Australia. This confirms what others have said that pre rollout for the pass program pretty much all the worldmarks are off the table. fortunately for me, I have never looked to the worldmark locations as a places I wanted to go, so nothing lost.

 

[ronparise]

Hi Linda,
Thanks for your help ! I will be interested to see how all of this shakes out....
It would have been nice if Wyndham had let us know what they were doing before taking resorts away, but that seems to be fairly typical operating procedure for them

nothing was taken away. All the Club Wyndham resorts are still there for you to enjoy

The various associates and affiliates can come and go

 

[Deb from NC]

nothing was taken away. All the Club Wyndham resorts are still there for you to enjoy

The various associates and affiliates can come and go

Thank goodness! So I guess the Worldmarks I used to see were considered affiliates ? (I honestly don't know..just asking) As long as I still have access
to my "usual" Wyndham resorts, I'll be content....

 

[ronparise]

Thank goodness! So I guess the Worldmarks I used to see were considered affiliates ? (I honestly don't know..just asking) As long as I still have access
to my "usual" Wyndham resorts, I'll be content....

You used to "see" them, but did you ever try to reserve one? Worldmark owners used to "see" Wyndham resorts too

As I understood it there were only 2 units made available. This was done (in my opinion) so wyndham could put more dots on the map...Important to the salesman, but in practice, pretty meaningless.

Club pass promises to be better, for folks that bought directly from the developer

 

[presley]

Thank goodness! So I guess the Worldmarks I used to see were considered affiliates ? (I honestly don't know..just asking) As long as I still have access
to my "usual" Wyndham resorts, I'll be content....

Yes. If you own Wyndham, anything that isn't Wydham that you use your points for is an affiliate. Affiliations can come and go.

 

[Deb from NC]

You used to "see" them, but did you ever try to reserve one? Worldmark owners used to "see" Wyndham resorts too

Actually I never did try to reserve one! So maybe I couldn't have anyway ?
I guess I really won't miss them too much since I never even tried to reserve a night at one.... LOL !

 

[comicbookman]

I looked for availability a couple of times, but never found any. Wyndham has enough resorts for my needs.

 

[TUGBrian]

not sure if this is covered or not, but someone mailed me a letter that was taped to their door at governors green recently that invited them to come sit in a presentation to hear about CLUB PASS and they were providing a free open enrollment to existing owners.

(forgive me if this is not new info, was a long thread, and I just felt obligated to mention this letter since the person took the time to mail it to me)

 

[ronparise]

not sure if this is covered or not, but someone mailed me a letter that was taped to their door at governors green recently that invited them to come sit in a presentation to hear about CLUB PASS and they were providing a free open enrollment to existing owners.

(forgive me if this is not new info, was a long thread, and I just felt obligated to mention this letter since the person took the time to mail it to me)

Thanks Bryan

heres what the Club Pass disclosure says

All members of current Affiliated Programs are automatically enrolled in WYNDHAM Club Pass

so its free whether you go to a presentation or not

 

[Sandi Bo]

"free" to look

But $99 to book (does that really count as free)?

I just don't see any winners here but Wyndham.

I'm not sure I've ever booked a WorldMark. Actually, yes I have, but then cancelled it (Anaheim). Now I can't see the inventory let alone book something, to me that means I've lost something.

Probably not that big a deal for me, as others have said, there are plenty of Wyndham to go around for me, I can live without WorldMark. I imagine if I ever do want to book a WorldMark I'll be looking for someone to rent it from (vs. use Club Pass).

My bigger concern is 'what next Wynhdam'.

 

[uscav8r]

I'm a little confused ...as a lowly Wyndham resale owner, I did notice that I can no longer see some of the Worldmark resorts (eg-Estes Park, West Yellowstone) that I used to be able to see when I was looking on line for a reservation. Do I understand correctly that now I could only reserve those at 9 months out and by paying a $ 99 fee ? (I normally use almost all my points at my home resort OTA anyway, so this won't matter much, but I do want to understand....). Or can I not get anything in Worldmark at all ?

thanks, Deb

As far as i have read on TUG, the Pass program is for retail/developer points. Resale supposedly won't have access to it. Of course, if you want to get to a Worldmark, you could ask an owner for a rental or exchange. I wonder who might be one...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[lcml11]

Interesting thread.

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195580&page=2

 

[scootr5]

Interesting thread.

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195580&page=2

What makes that particular thread regarding sales lies and speculation on the Pass program more interesting than any of the myriad others?

 

[vacationhopeful]

What makes that particular thread regarding sales lies and speculation on the Pass program more interesting than any of the myriad others?

Robert posted on it - again and again, just pointing to other threads he has posted on. If you go to that post, he refers to this thread via his last post on that thread.

Original thought on his part???? Perhaps his true talent is as a typist or parrot or as a talking head for the mystic or psychic universe?

Robert, do you live in Cassadaga, FL?

Added: Clean and happy thoughts, please. Cluttering up the universe with negativity is NOT good! You know who I am channeling this to.

 

[comicbookman]

Robert posted on it - again and again, just pointing to other threads he has posted on. If you go to that post, he refers to this thread via his last post on that thread.

So now he is talking to himself across threads? Why can't we just give him some threads of his own and he can talk to himself across those and stop misinforming the newbies?

 

[rleigh]

In my view, they are taking something away from me. As a WM owner, I used to be able to book some affiliates the same as any other WM resort, without any $99 fee.

The inventory and resorts were not guaranteed year to year. Some were added, some taken away.

But I still had the choice to use what was available, and I did.

 

[vacationhopeful]

In my view, they are taking something away from me. As a WM owner, I used to be able to book some affiliates the same as any other WM resort, without any $99 fee.

The inventory and resorts were not guaranteed year to year. Some were added, some taken away.

But I still had the choice to use what was available, and I did.

You are missing the point -- you were NOT paying no $99 fee to corporate Wyndham. Now you are.

As a sales driven corporate entity, Wyndham also wants its market for developer purchases to be special, and different than the points or credits from that used YARD SALE website with yard sale prices, like eBAY. Hence, you can only book across the various "selective resorts" with the "special and higher price points". You can only become VIP it you have enough developer paid for points. Corporate branding - no different than real Gucci and fake Gucci in a marketing person's eyes. Besides, who would buy a used, but real Gucci?

Except the marketing people forget, all timeshare units are USED. Someone else sat on that sofa before me and slept in that bed before me. And mainly my USED (brought off eBAY) points work just like the full price (developer) except achieving the VIP status and now, no access with those point with the not-yet-turned-on-PASS option. They did succeed in turning off access to the affiliate resorts - but as any systems' person will tell you --- off is simple; getting the ON functions right, much harder.

 

[rleigh]

You are missing the point -- you were NOT paying no $99 fee to corporate Wyndham. Now you are.

As a sales driven corporate entity, Wyndham also wants its market for developer purchases to be special, and different than the points or credits from that used YARD SALE website with yard sale prices, like eBAY. Hence, you can only book across the various "selective resorts" with the "special and higher price points". You can only become VIP it you have enough developer paid for points. Corporate branding - no different than real Gucci and fake Gucci in a marketing person's eyes. Besides, who would buy a used, but real Gucci?

Except the marketing people forget, all timeshare units are USED. Someone else sat on that sofa before me and slept in that bed before me. And mainly my USED (brought off eBAY) points work just like the full price (developer) except achieving the VIP status and now, no access with those point with the not-yet-turned-on-PASS option. They did succeed in turning off access to the affiliate resorts - but as any systems' person will tell you --- off is simple; getting the ON functions right, much harder.

True, I am totally missing your point. You are talking over and above my head. I'm not getting into any of that. I think you're missing my point. I am simply saying that from my POV, how it affects me and only me (and my family) is that I have to shell out $99 where I didn't before. And I probably won't do it.

It cost $0 before. No fee, just credits or cents per credit, just as if I was booking WM.