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I got rid of mine.

So management insists that the owner did not have the legal right to sell it, because they were in arrears on their MF, they won't record it in my name, they won't let me pay the past maintenance fees, and they won't even tell me how much it is - because I don't own the timeshare.

What's my next move?

But the deed has already been recorded in your name, the contract is a whole different story...Fax them a copy of the deed that proves you DO own the timeshare...if they insist after you've produced the legal document....it becomes a matter for the courts, the TS company has no right to dispute a legal deed

If they still refuse to put your name on the contract(as far as i know, that they can do) that just means you own the property, but don't have the right to use it....When it sells, you get a cut of the profits, but you don't have to pay a MF...Win/Win
 
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so then ... to summarize and bring this back on topic.
The deed was recorded but unless Wyndham recognizes it, asnooper will still have to pay maintenance.

According to asnooper - wyndham part of the transfer is still in the works.

Did i miss anything?
 
it becomes a matter for the courts, the TS company has no right to dispute a legal deed

So.... you want me to pay hundreds/thousands of dollars to an attorney, to sue a huge corporation, in the hope of winning a lawsuit, and the right to pay thousands of dollars in delinquent maintenance fees, for past years usage, for a timeshare I paid a few bucks for on ebay....

Absolutely brilliant! :p
 
@csxjohn - Im getting desperate because no matter how much I search - there doesn't seem to be a way out for me and my bargain deals post has not gotten any action.
 
That is what title insurance is all about.

You buy title insurance for $1 timeshares? :eek:

I got my dollar back - I'm good!
 
so then ... to summarize and bring this back on topic.
The deed was recorded but unless Wyndham recognizes it, asnooper will still have to pay maintenance.

According to asnooper - wyndham part of the transfer is still in the works.

Did i miss anything?

No asnooper is no longer the owner, most timeshare contracts specify 'owner' in the language...he'll still be on the contract, but they will have no way to enforce future MF costs on him...and until they 'approve' the new owner on the contract, they can't enforce MF's on them either of course the new owner wouldn't have use either....Wyndham better move fast otherwise they are screwing themselves

Past due MF's while he still owned is a whole different story...
 
What Wyndham would be doing is common law "tortuous interferance with a contract" A defense a against any claims against you for owed MFs, and claim for damages from them.
Denise: Pro se all the way. Wyndham will be spending money for lawyers. Not you
 
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@csxjohn - Im getting desperate because no matter how much I search - there doesn't seem to be a way out for me and my bargain deals post has not gotten any action.

Things like this don't usually happen quickly. The OP documented how long it took him. I posted 2 here in the same post and one was taken the next day, the other I have not had one inquiry.

I also posted another one in the classifieds and have not had any inquires on that one either.

In the meantime I'm making sure I keep up with my MFs so if someone comes along I won't have the trouble DeniseM had.

I also am contacting people that I see looking for units similar to mine.

This site is not a magic bean, very rarely will you find a "buyer" over night. By adding the website link to that ad of yours, I beleive you will get some action. If I did not own 4 units I would be looking at yours seriously. When you offered the $400 I started paying attention to it.

Email me and we'll talk more about the people that I use to trade. I use 3 different ones and only one of them charges to belong and that's only $25/year, DVU.
 
Different situation altogether.

We know from actual situations where the deed was recorded, but the resort did not accept it, that the resort will charge their owner of record for maintenance fees, and the new "owner" will not have access or control of the timeshare - period.

Remember - the county has no idea of the legality of the deed - they just record it - it's just a record keeping process. The resort doesn't have to accept it, just because the county records it.

This actually happened to me.

So, no - your theory is not correct.

DeniseM's situation was the resort not willing to recognize a new owner because the old owner is indebted to them.

Are there any known examples of a resort or system refusing to transfer ownership because there is something wrong with that new owner? I think that is what's being debated here.
 
I think the question is CAN the resort refuse to register a purchase, or put special terms on it. Yes - there are some resorts that charge a high transfer fee (over $1,000) to register a timeshare to an LLC, because of the "Viking Ship" problem.
 
I think the question is CAN the resort refuse to register a purchase, or put special terms on it. Yes - there are some resorts that charge a high transfer fee (over $1,000) to register a timeshare to an LLC, because of the "Viking Ship" problem.

I don't think the question is CAN, since from everything i've read says they do...But if they are within their legal rights to do so...I can walk down the street with a gun and car jack people...But i'm not within my legal rights to do so

I think cases like that would be interesting if brought before the courts, corporations have the same rights of land ownership as people and considered equal to people when it comes to contracts

I don't claim to know what the outcome would be...But it would be interesting to see how the courts view charging higher rates to one 'type' of person over another 'type' of person
 
back on topic ... @asnooper - when you get that confirmation from Wyndham - please post it. Until then the debate will rage on.

Regarding: TimeshareRefuge.com
What we know is: the deed transfer is good.
What we don't know is: does Wyndham recognize it and did the Wyndham transfer go through.

Once that last unknown is confirmed we will have a definitive answer to all this back and forth.

@asnooper - please keep us posted on that final Wyndham confirmation
 
I don't think the question is CAN, since from everything i've read says they do...But if they are within their legal rights to do so...I can walk down the street with a gun and car jack people...But i'm not within my legal rights to do so

I think cases like that would be interesting if brought before the courts, corporations have the same rights of land ownership as people and considered equal to people when it comes to contracts

I don't claim to know what the outcome would be...But it would be interesting to see how the courts view charging higher rates to one 'type' of person over another 'type' of person

I think it would be interesting too - please put your $$$ up for the lawsuit and let us know how it goes. :rolleyes:
 
back on topic ... @asnooper - when you get that confirmation from Wyndham - please post it. Until then the debate will rage on.

Regarding: TimeshareRefuge.com
What we know is: the deed transfer is good.
What we don't know is: does Wyndham recognize it and did the Wyndham transfer go through.

Once that last unknown is confirmed we will have a definitive answer to all this back and forth.

@asnooper - please keep us posted on that final Wyndham confirmation

Do we know if the second part matters at all? Worst that happens is Wyndham doesn't allow "TimeshareRefuge as a Grantee on the contract...The deed will still be out of the previous owners name, so now Wyndham can charge neither of them for future MF's
 
Do we know if the second part matters at all? Worst that happens is Wyndham doesn't allow "TimeshareRefuge as a Grantee on the contract...The deed will still be out of the previous owners name, so now Wyndham can charge neither of them for future MF's

You are mistaken - the resort will bill the owner of record for the MF, and turn them over to collections if not paid. If the resort does not recognize the transfer, the original owner is still on the hook.
 
You are mistaken - the resort will bill the owner of record for the MF, and turn them over to collections if not paid. If the resort does not recognize the transfer, the original owner is still on the hook.

I'm 90% sure i'm not....All the Contracts i've seen have specified 'Owner' in the paperwork, it would be a VERY easy thing to prove you're not the owner if the deed is in someone elses name...Wouldn't even need to go to court for that one, they're simply billing the wrong person ;)
 
Do we know if the second part matters at all? Worst that happens is Wyndham doesn't allow "TimeshareRefuge as a Grantee on the contract...The deed will still be out of the previous owners name, so now Wyndham can charge neither of them for future MF's

That's an interesting question! What would a court of law say about that?
 
You are mistaken - the resort will bill the owner of record for the MF, and turn them over to collections if not paid. If the resort does not recognize the transfer, the original owner is still on the hook.

True, but the collection agency would have to be able to validate the debt.

If the previous owner stated that they no longer own the unit, what would a court of law say about that?
 
I'm 90% sure i'm not....All the Contracts i've seen have specified 'Owner' in the paperwork, it would be a VERY easy thing to prove you're not the owner if the deed is in someone elses name...Wouldn't even need to go to court for that one, they're simply billing the wrong person ;)

So you "prove" that you are not the owner of record, by showing them your contract, and they say, "too bad," you transferred your timeshare to a Viking Ship LLC - which is a scam, and we don't recognize them.

Is that where you hire an attorney and take them to court? What do you do when the collection agency starts sending those annoying letters and phone calls, and your credit rating takes a big hit?

Short of a lawsuit, you cannot force the management company to do anything.

If the previous owner stated that they no longer own the unit, what would a court of law say about that?

My guess is that they will say that transferring your deed to a Viking Ship for the purpose of defaulting on your contractual obligation is not legal...
 
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So you "prove" that you are not the owner of record, by showing them your contract, and they say, "too bad," you transferred your timeshare to a Viking Ship LLC - which is a scam, and we don't recognize them.

Is that where you hire an attorney and take them to court? What do you do when the collection agency starts sending those annoying letters and phone calls, and your credit rating takes a big hit?

Short of a lawsuit, you cannot force the management company to do anything.

It doesn't matter if the Timeshare company recognizes ANY future owners, Smith LLC, Jones Corp., Even Craig McCoy if your name is legally off the deed, your name is legally off the deed....

The Collection Agency wouldn't be able to validate the debt, since, you WEREN'T the owner of the property during the time the debt was accumulated...You are correct, you can't force the management company to do anything, but LEGALLY, they can't FORCE you to take on a debt that isn't yours either....If i called up a collections agency and told them to collect $6,000 from you for my heating bills, do you think they would do that?? Or a better example, If i called up a Collections agency and asked them to collect money for the Oil use at my house from the previous owner...what do you think would happen?

If the deed is legally transferred the deed is legally transferred, i don't get your fight about this Denise, you're just wrong...
 
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Ride - I really appreciate your help with this. I am going to sit down right now and transfer my unwanted timeshares out of my name, by recording the deeds in the counties of record in your name. Then I will send the deeds to the resorts. Even if the resort doesn't accept the transfer, I will be off the hook, because the deed will be recorded with the county in your name.

When the resort turns me over to collections, I'm going to show the collection agent the deed in your name, and they won't be able to validate the debt.

And before you ask, no this transfer doesn't require your signature....

:rofl:
 
Ride - I really appreciate your help with this. I am going to sit down right now and transfer my unwanted timeshares out of my name, by recording the deeds in the counties of record in your name. Then I will send the deeds to the resorts. Even if the resort doesn't accept the transfer, I will be off the hook, because the deed will be recorded with the county in your name.

When the resort turns me over to collections, I'm going to show the collection agent the deed in your name, and they won't be able to validate the debt.

And before you ask, no this transfer doesn't require your signature....

:rofl:

Not a legal Deed, unless i've accepted it....But, i'm not saying i'd say no to that....You've got a lot of Great ownerships!! :)
 
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