I can compare blended trading power of Westin Desert Willow, SDO and SBR to Marriott trading power, and we have been downgraded in II

[krj9999]

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Dioxide, thanks for this - I did reach out to the tugmembers email after phone calls to II and Vistana did not resolve my concerns. I provided some screenshots and other details about the situation.

Part of the email I received back below: "In our review of your concerns, we were able to determine the error which created the examples you provided. Therefore, to resolve the issue, your original deposit of the 2025 usage year, #0XXXXXXXX was canceled. It has been redeposited as #0XXXXXXXX."

No explanation of what the "error" was, or who was responsible. But my search visibility is much improved since then.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Trading power is back again. I still cannot trade a 1 bed premium SBR into any 2 bedroom Westin Nanea, but I do have a lot of 2 bedrooms to use, so that isn't an issue. I don't need to use a 2 bedroom lockoff to get Westin Nanea, just a standard 2 bedroom.

 

[marmite]

@rickandcindy23 what do you mean trading power is back again? What week are you test-trading against? I find that it always depends on the TDI of the week I am exchanging into. There are some weeks a 1BR SDO (A side gold plus), that can see 2BR Nanea weeks (all the May 115 TDI weeks in 2025) but can't see August 22nd 2025 (120TDI). I have even found that a specific day can require more trade power if it includes a holiday date in the week (i.e. Can see Fri/Sat check in, but not Sun).

 

[rickandcindy23]

@rickandcindy23 what do you mean trading power is back again? What week are you test-trading against? I find that it always depends on the TDI of the week I am exchanging into. There are some weeks a 1BR SDO (A side gold plus), that can see 2BR Nanea weeks (all the May 115 TDI weeks) but can't see August 22nd (120TDI). I have even found that a specific day can require more trade power if it includes a holiday date in the week (i.e. Can see Fri/Sat check in, but not Sun).

That could be. I just exchanged a 2 bed SBR into 8/17 Westin Nanea, no problem. My one bedrooms were not pulling anything Westin but I can get August dates.

I do worry that I won't get anything for 2/8 on Maui, which is something I really need, any size of unit. I really want Kahana Beach one bedroom, which is my favorite on Maui next to Hono Koa OF or Westin OF.

So far, Kahana Beach hasn't had a bulk bank for 2025. I keep hoping.

 

[marmite]

That could be. I just exchanged a 2 bed SBR into 8/17 Westin Nanea, no problem. My one bedrooms were not pulling anything Westin but I can get August dates.

I do worry that I won't get anything for 2/8 on Maui, which is something I really need, any size of unit. I really want Kahana Beach one bedroom, which is my favorite on Maui next to Hono Koa OF or Westin OF.

So far, Kahana Beach hasn't had a bulk bank for 2025. I keep hoping.

I don't have a 2BR to exchange, so am only recording what my SDOA side can see (I recently traded my B side so don't test-trade with that one anymore). It looks like for my A side 1BR, it can get a 2BR Nanea up to 115TDI on Hawaii's chart. Honestly, I haven't kept track of anything but Hawaii, but it is very limited in the dates I can see a 2BR for. Now, what I do know for sure is that it takes more trade power to get a Marriott/Vistana week than standard-brand. I think you should have no problem getting Kahana Beach if it shows up for you.

 

[djyamyam]

Trading power is back again. .

I haven't necessarily found that to be the case.

There's currently a 1BR New Year's week available on the Big Island that I can see with my deposited 1BR Marriott but is not visible with either my deposited SDO A/B side units. I can see it with the full 2BR and that is no different than before. Some of the other Kauai high season weeks visibile with my Marriott 1BR are not visible with the 1BR SDO (and the units are not in Marriott preference since they are visible with the 2BR SDO)

 

[rickandcindy23]

I haven't necessarily found that to be the case.

There's currently a 1BR New Year's week available on the Big Island that I can see with my deposited 1BR Marriott but is not visible with either my deposited SDO A/B side units. I can see it with the full 2BR and that is no different than before. Some of the other Kauai high season weeks visibile with my Marriott 1BR are not visible with the 1BR SDO (and the units are not in Marriott preference since they are visible with the 2BR SDO)

I am probably wrong, or at least being too optimistic.

I have so many weeks to use for 2024 deposits, I will be using them far into 2026 and adding retrade to use some in 2027.

I also have a plan to always rent the SDO, Westin Desert Willow, and of course my Shadow Ridge Villages weeks, so I have the ability to use these deposits. Shadow Ridge will rent for MF's over Pres week or spring break weeks. I will have to do that for now. I have no other choice with these deposits building up.

Disney didn't appear for anything fall, nor did it show for early January. Marriott resorts are okay. I will be enjoying those resorts, while the kids are staying at Bonnet Creek in a 3 bed presidential.

 

[Ski-Dad]

Adding to the data points:

2025 undeposited SDO stand alone B side (Gold Plus) doesn't see Nanea at all;

However, my proxy SDO stand alone B side (Platinum) sees the August dates below:

To clarify "proxy". I own a B side EOY even, but II allows me to search as if I owned every year.

 

[Ken555]

However, my proxy SDO stand alone B side (Platinum) sees the August dates below

You own Platinum SDO? I would absolutely expect that to have more power than the 1-52 blended week most of us own. My 1-bed deposit (a or b) doesn’t see any of those Nanea weeks any longer; last year and prior years had no such problem.

 

[rickandcindy23]

You own Platinum SDO? I would absolutely expect that to have more power than the 1-52 blended week most of us own. My 1-bed deposit (a or b) doesn’t see any of those Nanea weeks any longer; last year and prior years had no such problem.

Which is why I am renting my SDO for future years, at least until trading power improves, but I am also okay to deposit, should my weeks not rent. I can get something good via II, even if I cannot get Westin.

I have to say that the devaluing of our weeks is a non-issue for many here on TUG. Comments made about trading power loss that are excused as something like, "We shouldn't have been able to get those Westin Maui weeks that cheaply, anyway," but my question was, "who should get the weeks, if not Vistana owners?"

 

[Hindsite]

"We shouldn't have been able to get those Westin Maui weeks that cheaply, anyway," but my question was, "who should get the weeks, if not Vistana owners?"

Other Vistana owners using weeks/points that have a better alignment between deposit and exchange will likely get the exchange due to the preference period.

It was the "that cheaply" part of the comment that resonated with me, no matter what the brand of deposit. Same as the re-alignment of Hyatt points is sensible as the trading power they had was "exceptional" and is now a more realistic "good".

 

[rickandcindy23]

My Westin Desert Willow platinum season one bed premiums were not seeing the inventory several months ago. I haven't tried with my 2025 week, but I did rent the week for a slight profit for a week I reserved over Presidents' Week, 2025.

 

[iftravel]

Does SBP 1-bed Gold Plus season Float Week# 15-23 & 36-42 have decent trading power?

 

[rickandcindy23]

Does SBP 1-bed Gold Plus season Float Week# 15-23 & 36-42 have decent trading power?

I don't own any of those and probably wouldn't buy one on purpose. Is that a Palmetto phase?

 

[Hindsite]

Does SBP 1-bed Gold Plus season Float Week# 15-23 & 36-42 have decent trading power?

It depends on what you mean by "decent". Even low season weeks can pull decent inventory with planning, early deposit and requesting. I'd expect you to be able to easily get exchanges that are a step up in season or a step up in unit size for resorts of a similar popularity.
If you hope to get peak season 2-3Beds at high demand locations, you may be disappointed more than not or have to wait for cancellations to pop up.

 

[iftravel]

Yeah I can be patient for a peak season unit, just curious how worse it could be

 

[Hindsite]

Yeah I can be patient for a peak season unit, just curious how worse it could be

Really hard to be specific, as there's so many variables in IIs trading power for both deposits and exchange.
You might get more specific info from the sightings forum.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Yeah I can be patient for a peak season unit, just curious how worse it could be

Probably not terrible. Is it Palmetto? What is the unit #?

 

[vacationtime1]

Does SBP 1-bed Gold Plus season Float Week# 15-23 & 36-42 have decent trading power?

This week is the epitome of average; there is a better season and a worse season. I don't know whether it has "decent" trading power, but I am fairly sure that it has "average" trading power.

Yeah I can be patient for a peak season unit, just curious how worse it could be

If you can be patient, it is an easy call to wait. You will eventually get the preferred high season unit, the price differential will be negligible over time, and you will not have to worry about whether you will be getting the best possible trades -- nor will you have to play the "what if?" game with yourself.

 

[dioxide45]

This week is the epitome of average; there is a better season and a worse season. I don't know whether it has "decent" trading power, but I am fairly sure that it has "average" trading power.

If you can be patient, it is an easy call to wait. You will eventually get the preferred high season unit, the price differential will be negligible over time, and you will not have to worry about whether you will be getting the best possible trades -- nor will you have to play the "what if?" game with yourself.

If Cindy ever unloads her units there, the market will be flooded!

 

[rickandcindy23]

If Cindy ever unloads her units there, the market will be flooded!

I have been considering deeding back a bunch, but the Weeks 9-43 and 47 season is not really peak season. The best to own is the Weeks 24-35 Palmetto units. I own one but rent it each year for 4th of July.

 

[iftravel]

Probably not terrible. Is it Palmetto? What is the unit #?

Unit 1717. It’s an eBay listing. I like that it’s an EOY so to try it out. Any experience of deeding it back if not needed - thinking of an exit if I don’t like it.

 

[dioxide45]

I have been considering deeding back a bunch, but the Weeks 9-43 and 47 season is not really peak season. The best to own is the Weeks 24-35 Palmetto units. I own one but rent it each year for 4th of July.

Doesn't 9-43 also include 24-35? I know the phases are different, but they both still allow you to reserve prime summer weeks?

 

[rickandcindy23]

Doesn't 9-43 also include 24-35? I know the phases are different, but they both still allow you to reserve prime summer weeks?

The blended trading power would be better for a platinum week, I guess I was trying to say.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Unit 1717. It’s an eBay listing. I like that it’s an EOY so to try it out. Any experience of deeding it back if not needed - thinking of an exit if I don’t like it.

I think 17 is Palmetto. What MF is being quoted? Palmetto has lower fees.