How many of the Wyndham Resorts are not managed by Wyndham and what impact does that have on owners?

[chapjim]

Then you should understand that a nexus is part of libel thus you oversimplified the definition. Also, libel does need to be demonstrably false or the person could have acted recklessly with malice whether true or false; however, the 2022 Supreme Court ruling fogs things up a bit but was applicable to public figures. Defamation can't be proven unless the defaming statement is proven false etc. You must also understand that besides truth the person has to be identified, publication must occur, a damaging of reputation, injury must occur and actual malice.

Good debate, thanks.

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The top bolded line says you can libel a person by acting recklessly or with malice even if what you say is true. So, recklessly or maliciously identifying a timeshare salesman as a timeshare salesman can be libelous?

I do understand the law of defamation. You still don't but trying to make you understand is hopeless. Come to think of it, trying to make you understand anything has proven hopeless.

 

[schreff]

I am ending my participation in this thread now. Surely many including PaxSarah knew that the " conflict with Wyndham " meant having an employment contract not individual timeshare contracts. Taking things out of context on purposes to be used against a fellow TUGger is shameful. Here is the entire post. There is no possible way that the highlighted paragraph could possibly mean having a timeshare contract with Wyndham. The meaning clearly is referring to the first sentence which is a direct employment relationship which is an employment contract with Wyndham.

I can only go by what you said. Having a contract with Wyndham is pretty broad. I think my curiosity has been sated.

To the best of my knowledge, I have never mentioned the conflict of having a direct employment relationship with Wyndham although this would not surprise me. I have mentioned conflicts of interest either direct or indirect which encompasses many things including having a contract with Wyndham.
Sorry I don't have a crystal ball and have consistently said that the Wyndham person who was unmasked on the TUG forum years ago only had an alias which I do not recall. I have no idea what else would satisfy your curiosity but I do know this has gone off topic for a long time. I also know that anyone who cannot see that there are Wyndies posting here with no other objective than support Wyndham for reasons we will never know are disillusioned. This is fact and I have nothing more to offer on this off topic subject.

 

[paxsarah]

I am ending my participation in this thread now. Surely many including PaxSarah knew that the " conflict with Wyndham " meant having an employment contract not individual timeshare contracts. Taking things out of context on purposes to be used against a fellow TUGger is shameful. Here is the entire post. There is no possible way that the highlighted paragraph could possibly mean having a timeshare contract with Wyndham. The meaning clearly is referring to the first sentence which is a direct employment relationship which is an employment contract with Wyndham.

I did not take it intentionally out of context; I simply misunderstood. As a Wyndham owner who participates in TUG and on Facebook with other owners, I talk and think about timeshare ownership contracts nearly every day. Hence, when someone talks about a contract with Wyndham, my first thought goes to ownership contracts that we all have in common. In general, I don't think about "having a contract" with an entity as necessarily meaning employment (because not all employment involves an explicit contract), so your intended meaning simply was lost on me.

 

[chapjim]

I am ending my participation in this thread now. Surely many including PaxSarah knew that the " conflict with Wyndham " meant having an employment contract not individual timeshare contracts. Taking things out of context on purposes to be used against a fellow TUGger is shameful. Here is the entire post. There is no possible way that the highlighted paragraph could possibly mean having a timeshare contract with Wyndham. The meaning clearly is referring to the first sentence which is a direct employment relationship which is an employment contract with Wyndham.

To the best of my knowledge, I have never mentioned the conflict of having a direct employment relationship with Wyndham although this would not surprise me. I have mentioned conflicts of interest either direct or indirect which encompasses many things including having a contract with Wyndham.
Sorry I don't have a crystal ball and have consistently said that the Wyndham person who was unmasked on the TUG forum years ago only had an alias which I do not recall. I have no idea what else would satisfy your curiosity but I do know this has gone off topic for a long time. I also know that anyone who cannot see that there are Wyndies posting here with no other objective than support Wyndham for reasons we will never know are disillusioned. This is fact and I have nothing more to offer on this off topic subject.

Praise the Lord!

 

[HitchHiker71]

I also know that anyone who cannot see that there are Wyndies posting here with no other objective than support Wyndham for reasons we will never know are disillusioned. This is fact and I have nothing more to offer on this off topic subject.

Even if there are - TUG isn't going to prevent them from posting or participating - so what is your point honestly? Several forum members have asked you to name the handles of those you suspect are "Wyndies" - why haven't you named those handles? That's a fairly easy thing to answer - they are merely handles on a website - not names of actual people - so what's the harm really? You are entitled to your own opinions - but you are not entitled to your own facts - and you haven't proven to anyone here, myself included, the veracity of your accusations.

 

[Eric B]

If y'all are looking for Windy people, I confess that it was me. Must have been something I ate for dinner last night.

 

[OutSkiing]

That's good to know and good to hear - especially for the OP here - do you happen to recall the name of that special customer retention team?

There were 3 teams involved over the course of months:

Our initial contact when we called about being downgraded from Founders to Platinum was in this team .. I think the contact was in our downgrade letter:
- Owner Resolutions & Strategy

When we convinced him we recently bought to become founders and were told that would be permanent, they put us in contact with a person with this title:
- Sales Experience Specialist

When she concluded that the sales staff was ‘free of guilt’ because they could not have known about the change in policy, and there was no grandfathering written into the actual contract we were asked if we wanted to go an a waiting list to be contacted for a ‘good deal’ on purchasing points. I said why not expecting disappointment. The team that contacted me a month or so later with the deal was this team:
- Owner Solutions Team

Their first offer was what I believe was the normal (low relative to the resort sales) corporate rate for more points. I said I was afraid it would be in that range .. thanks but no thanks. Next day or two later they reached out again with another completely different offer they said was possible because they could re-write our Midtown purchase for a different point value. It was a reasonable incremental amount so we went with it.

BTW next they adjusted our account but messed up the points adjustment so we were short of points (actually negative) in the 2022 year for a while. Account was not locked but had the negative points. They said they had to do an account audit. Finally after a month of prodding them to complete the audit the account was corrected. So the audit department was involved and then back to Owner Solutions Team for final modification.

Bob

 

[troy12n]

Now that that person has left / given up, I have a confession to make...

Me and "the guys" at the "corporate office" sure got a kick out of this, and I lost a huge bet!

Now, back to a career of spreading disinformation and purposely ruining people's lives! This one got too close to the truth, and we can't have that happen!

 

[Richelle]

I got bored of the OP's accusations and rude comments pretty fast and fast forwarded to the last page. It seems the OP is disgruntled for whatever reason. It may have been mentioned in previous pages, but I honestly don't care why. What I care about is that people are being accused of working for Wyndham simply because they do no agree with him/her. While they have a right to their opinion on Wyndham, they don't have a right to make unfounded accusations. Because we made good choices, and researched the product thoroughly, we were able to get a lot of value out of our timeshare. I am not sure about you, but when I feel like I got my money's worth, with something, I'm happy with it.

Unfortunately nothing stays the same. It sounds like the OP has problems adjusting to change. All loyalty programs change over time with benefits being added and removed. Is it disappointing when we lose a benefit we liked? Absolutely, but I didn't buy into VIP expecting everything to stay exactly the same. That newspaper benefit started in the 90's when more people where reading the newspaper. Fewer people are buying newspapers these days, so there is no point in wasting the paper so a handful of people don't have to spend $2 on a paper. I never cared for the mid-week clean and Tidy, but I know some did. Especially if that was a deciding factor when buying VIP. However, as previously mentioned, things never stayed the same.

I apologize if I am repeating what's in the previous pages. I just had to throw in my two cents.

 

[schreff]

I agree 100% with you, @Sandi Bo When did TUG become a place where this person can treat others this way and get by with it, and as a guest and not even a member of TUG? The posts cannot even be misunderstood as being polite and nice. This last bunch weren't even the worst I have seen.

I don't have anyone on ignore, not yet.

There are a few others who have been very unsympathetic to those of us who got letters.

By the way, I am getting PM's from a bunch of different people who are now getting letters, even if they only rented a few a year.

I always knew that Wyndham would go after the mega renters first, and then move on up the ladder to the small players, and finally it will be at the point where no one will be able to add a guest name.

I agree. Why put anyone on ignore even if their posts are nothing but Wyndham legerdemain.
Also, agree with your renters statement which was a topic of conversation between a friend at Palm Aire during our stay there this year. He bought an excess amount of point as his Wyndham salesman suggested to give him the ability of a tax write off and to earn some extra cash to pay his maintenance fees after retirement. Now, he just rented a week and is concerned that it will not be available when his guest arrives. While here we have not received the unit in Areca we requested which we made perfectly clear that we did not need the specific unit requested only the location in the Areca Building poolside but there was no room in our home resort for us in the Areca Tower. Just another year of broken promises.

Your statement about the future seems to hold true as those who know, Wyndham promised benefits have plummeted recently. What about guest certificates for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will they too be gone with the Wyndham wind?