Host a Party

[DEROS]

This is almost in line with the question, "is it a big deal to have 5 people (adults or kids doesn't matter) in a 4 person only room? My question is, can you host a party that has with 12 people+ in a room? I have glanced at the manual but it really doesn't say anything about parties. Lets say that the party last overnight or several days. (when I was younger parties started a 10pm and lasted until 6 am). Also, let say the party is not loud/not a nuisance and the resort is HHV.

BTW, I have seen parties happening in rooms (it look like a wedding party, not the reception). Very quite and didn't seem to bother anyone; at least it didn't bother me.

 

[theo]

My $0.02 worth...

This is almost in line with the question, "is it a big deal to have 5 people (adults or kids doesn't matter) in a 4 person only room? My question is, can you host a party that has with 12 people+ in a room? I have glanced at the manual but it really doesn't say anything about parties. Lets say that the party last overnight or several days.

Personally, I have to believe that the fundamental issue is occupancy.
Temporary presence within a unit to attend a party hardly constitutes occupancy.

On the other hand, it seems (to me) a real stretch to even attempt to assert that someone continually present for "several days" (or even overnight, for that matter) can possibly be defined as anything but occupying the premises.

 

[Talent312]

I find it hard to believe that hosting "a party that has with 12 people+ in a room" could not be a nuisance to the next door neighbors.

I'd certainly be making a phone call to the front desk.

 

[JM48]

I also would be complaining if it was near me.

One thing that always irritates me is people who let the outside door slam, especially very late at night.

I haven't been to HHV & I don't know how the parking is handled but at some of the resorts parking is a problem.

Just my opinion

JM

 

[DeniseM]

I don't think calling the situation a "party" will change the maximum occupancy of the room - especially if people are staying overnight.

 

[PigsDad]

Lets say that the party last overnight or several days.

Could-a been the whisky, might-a been the gin.
Could-a been the three or four six packs, I don't know,
But look at the mess I'm in!
My head like a football, I think I'm going to die.
But tell me, a-me oh, me oh my,
Wasn't that a Party?

Someone took a grapefruit, wore it like a hat.
I saw someone under my kitchen table, talking to an old tomcat.
They were talking about football. The cat was talking back,
Along about then everything went black.
Wasn't that a party?

 

[ronparise]

As long as all your guests attend a timeshare sales presentation there shouldnt be a problem

Recently I was at Wyndhams Bonnet Creek resort, and friends were staying at other places in Orlando, We hosted a dinner party at our unit and the next day we all used the Bonnet Creek pool....Nobody spent the night, but there was no one checking on us either

 

[DEROS]

I find it hard to believe that hosting "a party that has with 12 people+ in a room" could not be a nuisance to the next door neighbors.

I'd certainly be making a phone call to the front desk.

Assuming there is a next door neighbor. Would you still call if they were not being a nuisance? What would you tell the front desk?

On the other hand, it seems (to me) a real stretch to even attempt to assert that someone continually present for "several days" (or even overnight, for that matter) can possibly be defined as anything but occupying the premises

Here is a scenario that will actual happen this december. I book a room for my mom and some of my cousins at HHV (max occupancy). I plan only to visit in the evening because I will still be working in the day. I haven't seen them, except for my mom, for several years, so I can see us talking, playing cards, and have an occasional drink. (My seniority at my work affords me a very flexible work schedule). So, what you are telling me is that I can only visit sometimes and I have to leave before 1201am as not to break the overnight/occupancy rule.

don't think calling the situation a "party" will change the maximum occupancy of the room - especially if people are staying overnight.

What is "overnight"? If I leave at 11:59pm and return at 12:01 am; overnight would be 12:01am the following night. Does he maximum occupancy only applies to staying overnight. What if it was a day party that started at 900am and lasted until 8pm, is that ok? They didn't stay overnight. I guess the question would be, how many hours in the room is to long and would be consider occupancy?


break....

It is kinda of interesting to me how people will demand strict obedience to the rule/law only if it suits their own interest. It is also very interesting as to how different people read a sentence and pull out different meanings. I guess that is why we have so many lawsuits and so many lawyers.

 

[DeniseM]

It is kinda of interesting to me how people will demand strict obedience to the rule/law only if it suits their own interest. It is also very interesting as to how different people read a sentence and pull out different meanings.

This is the question you very clearly asked in your first post:

My question is, can you host a party that has with 12 people+ in a room? I have glanced at the manual but it really doesn't say anything about parties. Lets say that the party last overnight or several days.

You didn't ask us about one extra person visiting family members - you asked about 12+ people in a unit for a party lasting several days, and that's what we responded to.

Yes, it suits my interest not to have a party with 12+ people in the next room, if the room does not accommodate 12 people.

Yes, if they bothered me - I would call the front desk. In fact, we had a similar situation at the Westin Ka'anapali on Maui a year ago where management was turning a blind eye to locals doing exactly what you are suggesting, and a letter writing campaign by Tuggers who own at the resort, put an end to it.

 

[DEROS]

This is the question you very clearly asked in your first post:

You didn't ask us about one extra person visiting family members - you asked about 12+ people in a unit for a party lasting several days, and that's what we responded to.

Yes, it suits my interest not to have a party with 12+ people in the next room, if the room does not accommodate 12 people.

Yes, if they bothered me - I would call the front desk. In fact, we had a similar situation at the Westin Ka'anapali on Maui a year ago where management was turning a blind eye to locals doing exactly what you are suggesting, and a letter writing campaign by Tuggers who own at the resort, put an end to it.

If you read Theo reply to me, he said "someone".... I read Theo reply to infer that, regardless if it is 8 people or "someone (1person like me)", visited on a habitual schedule, like everyday, and stay until all hours of the night, Theo would call it occupancy. Which I replied with my scenario, to insure I understood his comment.

It suits your interest but is it against any policy or rule? Also, it seems that it is ok as long as it did not "bother you" or is it the thought that someone has, what you believe, too many people visiting that would incite you to call the front desk. i.e walking by an open door (which was open because someone was coming or going and the door closing) and seeing a bunch of people sitting around eating, drinking, and talking.


Break....

All tuggers,

I am not trying to incite a riot on this board. I like understanding what people think about situation. It helps me see a facet of life that is foreign to me, as much as my life is foreign to you. When I understand, it makes me more tolerant. Does not mean I agree, it just means I will not try to drop kick you down a flight of stairs.

 

[Talent312]

It seems that it is ok as long as it did not "bother you" or is it the thought that someone has, what you believe, too many people visiting that would incite you to call the front desk.

If Hilton were to reward me for snooping on fellow guests, that might motivate me to call the front desk with any real or imagined rule violation, but they don't. Until then, I will act if you or your crew interfere with my peaceful enjoyment of the premises.

Don't we all act out of self-interest? Even supposedly altruistic behavior is desguised self-interest, since it makes us "feel good" about ourselves. So, don't act like you've discovered something new here. If something did not annoy you, would you be bothered to act? I seriously doubt that anyone of us would feel motivated to call the front-desk, just becuz it was a rule violation, unless your panties were in a wad about the behavior, otherwise.

 

[DeniseM]

DEROS - Your premise seems to be that it would be OK if you broke the rules, as long as no one notices. But what if many guests decided to host parties of 12?

At the Westin Ka'anapali, that's exactly what happened. There were so many local party crashers that owners staying at the resort got crowded out of the public areas like the pools and barbeques. I'm not making this up - it became a real problem.

So if you want to be able to host a party of 12 - are you willing for every room to be able to host a party of 12? Or should the exception only apply to you?

 

[Fern Modena]

Deros,
You thought and thought, until you felt you had found a very clever way to justify your actions, by suggesting it could be "hosting a party" to have extra people stay in your unit. Then you came to TUG and posted about it, looking for affirmation of your idea. Doesn't look like it happened, so you may as well give it up, unless you want to keep trying until you will find that one person who will agree with you. You're not gonna change, and neither are we.

Oh, and you're not as clever or original as you thought you are.

JMHO, of course.

Fern

 

[Tamaradarann]

Slamming the Front Door

That's why we like staying at the Lagoon Tower or Grad Waikikian in Waikiki, nobody slams the front door. There are no Front Doors.

We stay over 100 nights a year in HGVC timeshares and we have never observed over occupancy and if it did occur it wasn't a noise problem.

As far as the noise coming from the adjacent apartment, we had to call the front desk one time about noise coming from the connecting door to an adjacent apartment at the HGVC at South Beach. There were only two people in the apartment. It was only a problem for a short time. In South Beach people do stay up late and can be noisy but it is usually not a major problem.

 

[Tamaradarann]

I also would be complaining if it was near me.

One thing that always irritates me is people who let the outside door slam, especially very late at night.

I haven't been to HHV & I don't know how the parking is handled but at some of the resorts parking is a problem.

Just my opinion

JM

That's why we like staying at the Lagoon Tower or Grad Waikikian in Waikiki, nobody slams the front door. There are no outside Doors.

In Waikiki, South Beach, or Las Vegas there is such walkability and good public transportation that parking is never a problem for us unless one insists upon driving and spending extra money when driving is not necessary.

 

[Talent312]

Last May, we stayed in SoBe during an "urban weekend" gathering.
A major pool-party at a nearby hotel was noisy, but stopped at night-fall.
Sometime in the night, there was gunfire involving the police a few blocks away.

Through it all, we slept like babes. Didn't know a thing about it.
The front desk apologized profusely for any disturbance.
I smiled and said: "This sure ain't Disney World, but I got no complaints.

An extra kid or two in a room? OMG! Call out the posse!

 

[DEROS]

Deros,
You thought and thought, until you felt you had found a very clever way to justify your actions, by suggesting it could be "hosting a party" to have extra people stay in your unit. Then you came to TUG and posted about it, looking for affirmation of your idea. Doesn't look like it happened, so you may as well give it up, unless you want to keep trying until you will find that one person who will agree with you. You're not gonna change, and neither are we.

Oh, and you're not as clever or original as you thought you are.

JMHO, of course.

Fern

What actions was I trying to justify? Did I say I was going to have a party but only if I could get an affirmation from TUG? If you read from first post to the last post, all I ask was, can you host a party of 12 or more in a room? I did not see anything in the manual that said otherwise. Have you? All I did afterwards was to continue the conversation with answer that tug users gave. Theo started with "Occupancy". I never said that a party equates to occupancy only that it is "in line" with the question previously ask about occupancy.

As for change, that is true you will not change. You will go along with life believing you are right and everybody is wrong. I myself hope that I learn from people, understand there side, and if needed change my life. BTW I didn't know you talked for all of Tug users. "We"?

"Cleaver or Original"? ahhh, ok. Are you saying that you done this before? Are you saying people have done this and told the management that the extra people are partygoers. If you have experience with this please tell me situation and what happen. Me personally, I would not be able to keep a straight face if the management came up to my room with people crashed out sleeping and I told them it was a party. But that is just me.

and of course this is JMHO

if you want to be able to host a party of 12 - are you willing for every room to be able to host a party of 12? Or should the exception only apply to you?

Denise,

That is a good question. However, you haven't answer the question, is it against the rules to have a party? (BTW I would never make an exception that only applies to me) Since I did not see anything in the manual that forbids parties, then I may be upset that every room has one (except mine), but I have no grounds to stop them. What rule or policy do I tell the management they are breaking. Take into consideration that disorderly, loud, or being obnoxious is different. We are just talking about having a large party, which I preface with not being a nuisance. However, just because they are part of a party in a room, would not give them the right to go into the resort pool or use any other common area that are reserved for the occupants. The rule for that is clear, must be an occupant.

BTW I forgot to ask you, did the writing campaign you started on Tug work? Did the resort change or add something into their policy?

 

[PigsDad]

Deros - Why don't you call Hilton and just ask them? Seriously. It seems really silly for everyone to be arguing here over a question that could be answered with a five minute call to HGVC customer service, don't you think?

Please report back with their (authoritative) answer. Any answers given by participants of this forum are, simply, not authoritative.

Kurt

 

[DeniseM]

Denise,

That is a good question. However, you haven't answer the question, is it against the rules to have a party?

It seems clear to me that you are trying to get around the occupancy rules by calling it a party. I am SURE that if you call the resort they will tell you that you cannot host a party for 12. Please call and let us know what you find out.

BTW I forgot to ask you, did the writing campaign you started on Tug work? Did the resort change or add something into their policy?

The resort already had the rules in place, but the staff (including security) was actually allowing the party crashers to use the resort because they were locals and friends. Management put a stop to it.

 

[Remy]

Occupancy is only overnight guests. I suppose the judgment of the GM is going to come into play if they are engaged in responding to the "party" but generally occupancy isn't referring to the number of people stopping into the room for dinner, a drink or to socialize according to the GM I called. He said a party would be shut down if it disturbed a guest, but that normal socializing in a room is acceptable. However, inviting 10 people to "crash in your studio for the night" isn't going to fly.

Generic advice: He recommends guests use the lounge (if available and open) or ask the front desk if the lounge area can be used after-hours for a private party if it might strain the capacity of the guest room.

 

[Aptman]

Deros, are you looking for a legal opinion or commonsense replies? Are you looking for people who have been nailed for violating the rules before, and thus have a sense of how far you can go before you are in violation, or do you want people to give you what seems like an obvious answer. Your technical responses are giving my profession (lawyer) a bad name (is that possible? Worse than it already has?).

Look, HGVC wants 2 things - to make as much money as possible, and to have everyone enjoy themselves as much as possible. Thus, they don't want to allow 10 people to crash in a one bedroom because that would encourage everyone to do this, and they'd rent out less rooms - Less money!!!

They also want everyone to enjoy themselves - you, and your neighbors. I've been to enough of these timeshares to see that they 1) don't require ID to walk in and out of the facility, 2) they don't require you to check in to which room you're walking in to, 3) they don't do spot checks on the room to see how many people are inside of there at any particular time and 4) they don't have a lights out/curfew time.

So seriously, if you're looking beyond that one person who's actually been nailed for too many people in the room or too loud of a party (and you want to find out where, in hindsight, they should've stopped so they would not have been popped for the violation), then use your common sense. Don't be loud, don't be obvious, don't shove it in anyone's face. Just be like every other room, and don't cause anyone to have to come up to your room to follow up on a complaint.

I can assure you, if you and your mom and playing pinochle because you're such an advanced person at your office and have flexible hours, and you have a glass of wine in your hand, HGVC is not going to come by for a spot check at 2 in the morning and kick you out because you're there past 12:01 AM. But, if your mom is a crazy partier, and the job you're so advanced at is a scout for Girls Gone Wild, and you're conducting interviews with her and 11 of her closest friends in the room, then no matter how much you protest that you're not "actually spending the night," you're going to be kicked out.

Use your brains on this! And stop making my profession look so bad!

 

[Talent312]

Use your brains on this! And stop making my profession look so bad!

I doubt one more maroon will make much difference to the profession.

 

[kckreardon]

We hosted a party

For what its worth, we hosted a party for around 12 people in our unit at HGVC Las Vegas Strip. We told staff about it and they actually brought up extra chairs and wine glasses for our party. I should note that this party was for about an hour and half before we went out on the town so it was not late night by any stretch.

Things went fine and staff was helpful.

 

[alexadeparis]

I think the part that everyone is getting hung up on is the part where the OP said "several days".

In my opinion, someone staying into the wee hours of the morning isn't a problem. But the minute they put their head on a pillow to sleep, that is now an occupant. Obviously if someone were to stay for a "party" for "several days", that person becomes an occupant, because at some point they have to nap or sleep there in order to remain there several days.

But, AFAIC, if someone comes over at 9 pm on Friday night, visits, and leaves at 4am Saturday morning, that is not an occupant unless they actually went to bed. If everyone stayed up talking, drinking, playing cards, whatever, that's just a "visitor" to me.

 

[Aquaman55]

After all these posts, I called HGVC about this issue. The rep said, if a group of people gets together for drinks, conversation, etc., it would generally be ok. If it turned into a slumber party where "party goers" (or in her words, freeloaders) wind sleeping on couches and floors, the GM would ask all but the guests to leave. The resorts really frown on overnight parties anyway. They know what some guests are capable of doing (and they have a particular disdain for swingers conventions on their property. Yes, it happens.) The rep told me HGVC has constant issues with guests who abuse their privileges, especially in Vegas and Orlando. (Gee, a swinger's party at Sea World? Yuck!)

It's one thing to have a party, a real party, (quieter when it's late) but another...to invite a group of people who will mix it up and use the resort as a crash pad. This happens from time to time at places like Sea World and Flamingo. It's dishonest, potentially dangerous and inconvenient for other guests. It's not like you are spending tons of points for an extra bedroom or two.

C'mon Deros. The first thing is to be honest with yourself.