Hilton Maui

[Tamaradarann]

Yes, photos can be deceiving. We wouldn't make such a large purchase sight unseen.

As an owner of a second home/short term vacation rental, I completely agree with your observations of the challenges. One way around the AirBnB limits is to rent the unit for more than 31 days to snow-birders which circumvents most short-term vacation rental laws and avoids TOT taxes.

Eventually one could turn it into a multi-month second home when retired. However, I still like the resort feel, and housekeeping of the timeshares and not having to worry about maintenance and cleaning (which is a pain) so using our timeshares would be preferred because less hassle and less costly.

I thought that you had to pay the TOT if you rented for less than 6 months?

 

[Tamaradarann]

I thought that you had to pay the TOT if you rented for less than 6 months?

There are so many taxes in Hawaii that I may have the wrong one named. If I understand it correctly if you have any kind of business transaction, which includes renting an accomocation you own, you need to pay the GET which is about 4-4.5%. If you rent for less than 6 months, you need to pay a hotel tax which is about 10%.

 

[Blues]

Just read that tentative opening date for HGV Maui is Q1 2022

Yep, that's the date still showing on the HGVC club page.

I just found out that a former consulting client of mine is now the Research Coordinator at the Humpback Whale National Marine Sanctuary in Kihei. So I dropped him an email to ask his opinion of the HGVC construction across the street from him. His response:

"It does seem like they are making progress on it. They shut the main road down recently for several weeks as part of the construction. We're all working from home these days, so I have not seen the recent progress, but I'll let you know what I see the next time I go down there. 2022 seems like a reasonable target finishing date."

Bob

 

[rabmsn]

Form 8-K Hilton Grand Vacations For: Jul 30

From the "overview" section:
...
Net income and Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter ended June 30, 2020, included a net deferral of $3 million relating to sales made at The Central at 5th by Hilton Club, Ocean Tower at Hilton Grand Vacations Club Phase II and Maui Bay Villas projects, which were under construction during the period. The Company anticipates recognizing these revenues and related expenses in 2021 when it expects to complete these projects and recognize the net deferral impacts.

 

[travelove]

You are right, I did not want to belief it at first:
Per the link on the members website: Prices range from $30,900 - $499,990

$500k for one week Maui? PLUS an ever increasing annual MF???
I did not know that COVID can also attack the area of the brain that deals with financial sanity...

now I'm scared of COVID

 

[Tamaradarann]

now I'm scared of COVID

How many points do you get for the 500K. If you get about 115,000 HGVC points you could stay forever at the Lagoon Tower in a Studio. That is not a bad price for a small condo on the Ocean in Waikiki and even if the maintenance was $5000/year that would not be a high maintenance for a condo in that location!

 

[GT75]

If you get about 115,000 HGVC points

I don't really know, but fairly certain it won't be that many.

 

[dayooper]

How many points do you get for the 500K. If you get about 115,000 HGVC points you could stay forever at the Lagoon Tower in a Studio. That is not a bad price for a small condo on the Ocean in Waikiki and even if the maintenance was $5000/year that would not be a high maintenance for a condo in that location!

$0.04 a point!

Yeah, I don’t see that happening. Something like 30,000 - 35,000 points? There are some regular HGVC that have 28,000 points so a high priced week should be higher.

I just can’t comprehend spending that much on a week.

 

[Tamaradarann]

$0.04 a point!

Yeah, I don’t see that happening. Something like 30,000 - 35,000 points? There are some regular HGVC that have 28,000 points so a high priced week should be higher.

I just can’t comprehend spending that much on a week.

Well I asked about 115,000 point number of points since that would be the number needed for 52 weeks in a Studio in the Lagoon Tower. However, the Grand Waikiki Penthouse 3BR Platinum weeks do have 28,000 points and I believe their cost a few years ago was $135,000. I know that HGVC raises the price of weeks all the time without regard to what is going in the world so even though people are not traveling right now they could have raised the Grand Waikiki Penthouse price to much higher. But based on what they were selling the 28,000 points for it wouldn't be unreasonable to get around 100,000 points for 500K.

 

[SmithOp]

Well I asked about 115,000 point number of points since that would be the number needed for 52 weeks in a Studio in the Lagoon Tower. However, the Grand Waikiki Penthouse 3BR Platinum weeks do have 28,000 points and I believe their cost a few years ago was $135,000. I know that HGVC raises the price of weeks all the time without regard to what is going in the world so even though people are not traveling right now they could have raised the Grand Waikiki Penthouse price to much higher. But based on what they were selling the 28,000 points for it wouldn't be unreasonable to get around 100,000 points for 500K.

You are considering a multiple week purchase to get to over 100k points, the prices quoted for Maui are a single week so not likely to garner that many points. You do have an interesting proposition buying 4 GW PH weeks then staying in a studio.

I just looked at the web site and the pricing has changed, its even higher but it applies to all the properties so no way to know what Maui pricing will be yet. The high end could be 4br Crane in Barbados.


Prices range from $8,450 - $772,990; prices are subject to change. Hilton Grand Vacations Club, LLC is the exchange agent. The Sales Agent is Hilton Resorts Corporation (dba Hilton Grand Vacations) located at 6355 Metrowest Blvd. Orlando, FL 32835. Hilton Resorts Corporation and its wholly owned subsidiaries are also the developer of timeshare interests in Florida, Nevada, Illinois, Hawaii, New York, Barbados, Mexico and Japan.

The Developer/Seller of Maui Bay Villas Vacation Suites is Kupono Partners LLC located at 6355 MetroWest Boulevard, Orlando, FL 32835.


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[Tamaradarann]

You are considering a multiple week purchase to get to over 100k points, the prices quoted for Maui are a single week so not likely to garner that many points. You do have an interesting proposition buying 4 GW PH weeks then staying in a studio.

I just looked at the web site and the pricing has changed, its even higher but it applies to all the properties so no way to know what Maui pricing will be yet. The high end could be 4br Crane in Barbados.


Prices range from $8,450 - $772,990; prices are subject to change. Hilton Grand Vacations Club, LLC is the exchange agent. The Sales Agent is Hilton Resorts Corporation (dba Hilton Grand Vacations) located at 6355 Metrowest Blvd. Orlando, FL 32835. Hilton Resorts Corporation and its wholly owned subsidiaries are also the developer of timeshare interests in Florida, Nevada, Illinois, Hawaii, New York, Barbados, Mexico and Japan.

The Developer/Seller of Maui Bay Villas Vacation Suites is Kupono Partners LLC located at 6355 MetroWest Boulevard, Orlando, FL 32835.


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I am NOT considering purchasing 4 GW PH weeks or any other HGVC purchase at this time. We have 34,600 points which have sucessfully gotten us a Studio at the Hilton Hawaiian Village for the winter since 2009. However, we now own a 2 BR condo right across the street fromt the Hilton Hawaiian Village. The Studio in the Lagoon Tower is a sub size Studio and is very small without a Lanai. We endured that accomodation for years to enable us to stay that long but have outgrown that accommodation. At 70+ years old we feel we need to have a little more comfortable accommodations WHEN? we go again to Hawaii. The question mark is for emphasis on WHEN. We still have plane reservations for Novamber but most probably our plans will be put off until sometime in 2021.

 

[rabmsn]

Progress must be happening--Chief Engineer - Maui Bay Villas in Kihei HI job posting:

Job Description What will I be doing? As a Chief Engineer , you would be responsible for executing your positions responsibilities in alignment with our Spirit of Service culture and driving company success through performing the following tasks to the highest standards The Chief Engineer sets strategic goals, guides performance, and leads all aspects of the resort maintenance, landscaping related operations. Overall responsibility to ensure the full functionality and safety of all resort facilities, protect the well-being of guests, Owners and Team Members while optimizing asset maintenance and preservation. Develops and executes critical initiatives in the Maintenance Department and adjusts the operations in order to meet the needs of the resort. Able to train, empower and build a team that is successful in maintaining the asset and grows as the resort expands Develops clear goals and ensures that policies and guidance are in place that clearly defines the responsibilities and processes to be successful Maintains compliance with the organization, business and financial regulations Conducts consistent inspections of each aspect of the resort and ensures all equipment and resort features are properly maintained and operating at full capacity Understands and able to trouble shoot operational performance of mechanical and related systems throughout the resort Manages and supervises all preventative maintenance programs and standards related to the Synergy work request system. Liaison between onsite team and project management and development teams for renovations and build out of the resort phases Ensures the property Emergency Preparedness and Safety Awareness plans are always accurate and in compliance Develops and manages the financial operations of the department and meets all budgeted expectations Monitors and evaluates team member performance to include, but not limited to, providing supervision and professional development, conducting counseling and evaluations and delivering recognition and reward Works closely with Resort Leadership within all departments and is a great teammate We offer an excellent benefit package to our full-time Team Members that include medical, dental and vision insurance, 401K plan, Paid Time Off (PTO) program and extraordinary travel benefits Qualifications What are we looking for? 7 years related experience in property operations 3 years of management experience including supervision of professional and line level staff Excellent interpersonal skills, computer literacy, problem solving and strategic decision making High school diploma/GED It would be advantageous in this position for you to demonstrate the following capabilities and distinctions Experience working on the island of Maui and/or a hotel/resort in the state of Hawaii Resort pre-opening experience Vacation ownership/hospitality experience Trade Certifications Bachelors degree We are an equal opportunity employer and value diversity at our company. We do not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, color, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, age, marital status, veteran status, or disability status. We will ensure that individuals with disabilities are provided reasonable accommodation to participate in the job application or interview process, to perform essential job functions, and to receive other benefits and privileges of employment. Please contact us to request accommodation.

 

[csodjd]

We drove by the property yesterday. Appears one building is largely built, and another well underway. But they are starting with the area furthest up the hill and away from the beach. It certainly does not appear anywhere near ready for any visitors, but was actively being worked on.

 

[rabmsn]

Maui Bay Villas is live on Hilton.com: https://www.hilton.com/en/hotels/oggmbgv-maui-bay-villas-by-hilton-grand-vacations/

 

[csodjd]

Maui Bay Villas is live on Hilton.com: https://www.hilton.com/en/hotels/oggmbgv-maui-bay-villas-by-hilton-grand-vacations/

We have an “owners” presentation this morning that my wife agreed to attend for the perk. I’m expecting a Maui sales pitch since we already own 3 Hilton timeshares in Oahu. My only interest is timing and ability to use our points over there.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Thanks for sharing. Interesting that the Hilton.com amenities list does not show the swimming pool or beach. Perhaps they will open for stays but won't open amenities until later. @csodjd can you ask whether the pool/beach will be available at the same time the resort opens?

 

[Islander7]

Interesting that they say they are opening this September as opposed to the HGVC website which states Q1 2022.

"We're opening in September 2021, but aren't accepting reservations yet." from Hilton website.

 

[Sandy VDH]

Interesting that they say they are opening this September as opposed to the HGVC website which states Q1 2022.

"We're opening in September 2021, but aren't accepting reservations yet." from Hilton website.

I think that message is dated, and has not been updated since Covid hit. That was the pre-covid date.

 

[csodjd]

Thanks for sharing. Interesting that the Hilton.com amenities list does not show the swimming pool or beach. Perhaps they will open for stays but won't open amenities until later. @csodjd can you ask whether the pool/beach will be available at the same time the resort opens?

Showed up and they didn’t find our appointment. So we left without talking to anyone.

 

[frank808]

Showed up and they didn’t find our appointment. So we left without talking to anyone.

is your presentation at Hilton Hawaiian Village? If so, are any of your HGVC units bought direct? Or are they all resale? Going on a hunch here.

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[csodjd]

is your presentation at Hilton Hawaiian Village? If so, are any of your HGVC units bought direct? Or are they all resale? Going on a hunch here.

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Yes. All three are resale purchases.

Here‘s how this came about. My wife called HHV to ask if any of the bars or restaurants onsite had opened. The woman asked a few questions, she answered the questions about what’s open, then said she sees we are owners and have not been to an owners presentation in a long time and would like to schedule us. My wife put me on the phone since I knew our schedule here. She was very insistent. We agreed on this morning at 8:15. Alas, no record of us being scheduled.

 

[frank808]

At HHV they have denied me every time to do a presentation after one over a decade ago. I was told since I only own resale, we do not qualify. My guess is that the scheduler did not notice you only own resale. Therefore they were not supposed to schedule you. Someone else found out and took you off the presentation without notifying you.

Years ago we got into a presentation and was told that we did not qualify. Stayed the 60 minutes and got our $250 Hilton bucks. Next time we were asked again and scheduled. Got a call the next day saying it was a mistake and we do not qualify for the presentation. Every time at HHV when we are asked, when they put our name in their computer, I am told I do not qualify. This is only at HHV as we were able to do presentations in Orlando. This is just my experience and resale only buyers are not welcome for a presentation at HHV.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

We've had one of the best meetings at HHV and one of the worst. In the latter the rep saw that we attended multiple VIP presentations and scolded us that we are only supposed to have one of these and that we would never be allowed to attend a presentation again. (Like we should know the rules?!?) Despite this we attended many VIP presentations since, enjoying the gifts and discounted stays. We own one developer unit in addition to resale so that must get us over the hurdle. Will take the freebees as long as they will give them to us. I view the gifts as payback for overpaying for developer.

 

[csodjd]

At HHV they have denied me every time to do a presentation after one over a decade ago. I was told since I only own resale, we do not qualify. My guess is that the scheduler did not notice you only own resale. Therefore they were not supposed to schedule you. Someone else found out and took you off the presentation without notifying you.

Years ago we got into a presentation and was told that we did not qualify. Stayed the 60 minutes and got our $250 Hilton bucks. Next time we were asked again and scheduled. Got a call the next day saying it was a mistake and we do not qualify for the presentation. Every time at HHV when we are asked, when they put our name in their computer, I am told I do not qualify. This is only at HHV as we were able to do presentations in Orlando. This is just my experience and resale only buyers are not welcome for a presentation at HHV.

Could be what happened. However, there are also no resale units in Maui and that’s what she said they would be telling us about. That said, if I were them I too wouldn’t be too excited about “selling” to someone that they know is going to use the information to buy from someone else.

 

[CanuckTravlr]

Could be what happened. However, there are also no resale units in Maui and that’s what she said they would be telling us about. That said, if I were them I too wouldn’t be too excited about “selling” to someone that they know is going to use the information to buy from someone else.

You're right of course that there aren't any resale units yet in Maui, since the original developer sales have only just started. But there will eventually be resales, just as with every other completed HGVC resort. It's just a matter of patience, if you can stand to wait. I suspect the presentation mix-up was just a scheduling mistake, but who knows?