Hilton Grand Vacations Club Sandestin - Coming in Q4 2022

[holdaer]

Coming soon in Q4 2022

 

[HuskerATL]

I am waiting for this one...It is an easy drive from ATL.

 

[dayooper]

I am waiting for this one...It is an easy drive from ATL.

It might not be bookable for anybody. @cd5 is in the know and she says that booking the Embarc resorts might not be easy.

From this past summer:

Rebranded DRI resorts to HVC or HGVC

Right. That is just not in the nature of @DaYooper or any Yooper https://makeitmqt.com/the-definition-of-a-yooper/ I had no idea a Yooper was even a thing...

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I sincerely hope that the Embarc resorts will be available to us HGVC members and vice versa (even if it's just a trade for trade like it was back before DRI bought them out). If there's money involved, a timeshare company will find a way to suck it out of us.

 

[holdaer]

After reading the 'tea leaves', the types of vacation clubs within Hilton Grand Vacations:

HGVC = HGVC

 

[weems637]

we loved staying at this resort back when it was Club Intrawest. Fingers crossed MAX does not apply

 

[letsgobobby]

Not available to book

 

[GMan82]

Not available to book

Are any of these new resorts available to book for plain old HGVC club members?

 

[GMan82]

I am waiting for this one...It is an easy drive from ATL.

Same here. I would love a club not too far from atlanta. I have been to ocean oak, but that’s so hard to book!

 

[HuskerATL]

Are any of these new resorts available to book for plain old HGVC club members?

Palm Desert was also rebranded HGVC and used to say coming Q3. That wording is gone now but it still isn't available in the portal

 

[letsgobobby]

Are any of these new resorts available to book for plain old HGVC club members?

Not holding my breath

 

[escanoe]

Coming soon in Q4 2022

Coming where?

 

[Nowaker]

I am waiting for this one...It is an easy drive from ATL.

And from Texas *

* with nothing really close, even Sandestin is close

 

[cd5]

Will likely be available as exchanges through HGV Max which will require a substantial purchase of some kind (not just $199 for the year) to be a part of. Points in Embarc are already 94% owned by individual members so the developer doesn't have much to play with. You're more likely to go to Embarc (and at a cheaper cost) by spending that money to buy resale points. The official HGV Max program for Embarc has not yet been announced - some work has to be done to "standardize" Embarc points etc (similar to what was done with Diamond Resorts). Not about to be done soon. Some months yet.

 

[HuskerATL]

Will likely be available as exchanges through HGV Max which will require a substantial purchase of some kind (not just $199 for the year) to be a part of. Points in Embarc are already 94% owned by individual members so the developer doesn't have much to play with. You're more likely to go to Embarc (and at a cheaper cost) by spending that money to buy resale points. The official HGV Max program for Embarc has not yet been announced - some work has to be done to "standardize" Embarc points etc (similar to what was done with Diamond Resorts). Not about to be done soon. Some months yet.

If they will be available via Max, there aren't other levels of additional purchase. They are what they are in the reference guide unless they change the reference guide. I still think they will be in HGVC, hence the name, but as an exchange property like many others. There are a number of HGVC exchange properties with limited availability due to owners not in HGVC or in it but don't give up their weeks.

 

[cd5]

The only "weeks" (we actually do points and can reserve 1 day or more) they could do that with are the developer's, which are only about 6% of the total. Developer points can be purchased of course, but the pot doesn't grow much. Embarc has very few delinquencies. You can always hope but I was told that any "exchanging" would be based on buying into something that costs $$ and that we wouldn't be getting the past scheme where it didn't.

 

[holdaer]

Will likely be available as exchanges through HGV Max which will require a substantial purchase of some kind (not just $199 for the year) to be a part of.......

It is my understanding that HGV MAX is a booking vehicle between HGVC and HVC. In order to exchange using HGV MAX, your resort needs to be in either HGVC or HVC. The big question is how will the 9 Embarc resorts be able to book with HGV MAX, if they are not in HGVC or HVC?

As far as value proposition, I see the 9 Embarc resorts being in HGVC and the selling point for HGV MAX will be with the 800K members in HVC. I know nothing is in writing, so this is just an interesting conversation as we decipher the 'tea leaves'.

Here is a visual of how I see things working with HGV MAX:

 

[HuskerATL]

he selling point for HGV MAX will be with the 800K members in HVC

I actually think it would be a bigger draw for HGVC to buy into Max. Right now, there isn't much there for HGVC members to take seriously but there are plenty of existing HGVC properties to pull in HVC Max members. If they would have rebranded them HVC and pushed to get more HGVC Max members, then I could buy that. Of course, I guess they can rebrand them HGVC but just not make them available to HGVC members without Max....which would be kind of BS.

 

[holdaer]

…….Of course, I guess they can rebrand them HGVC but just not make them available to HGVC members without Max....which would be kind of BS.

That could happen. That would also put all Embarc owners into a silo where they would only be able to book their 9 resorts. For Embarc members to gain access to either HGVC or HVC resorts, then they would need to buy into HGV Max.

Talk about a crappy deal for Embarc members. They used to be part of HGVC.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Crappy deal for HGVC and Embarc owners if they call it HGVC and then not provide unfettered HGVC access. Kind of like bHC but without the naming difference. If they insert MAX purchase in the middle, cross-booking will be neutered. If both can exchange freely then both sides would be more likely to trade because you have opened both sides to a bigger trading population.

 

[cd5]

Exchanging is just that - I give up a week so you can use it. As I've explained previously, the master declaration for Embarc makes it virtually impossible to change the terms of use for its members. Club Intrawest was never part of Hilton/HGVC. What was in existance prior to 2016 was simply an exchange agreement which was dissolved (by Hilton) when Diamond took over CI. Embarc members are already in what you call "a silo". They can go outside their 9 resorts only by exchanging - since the beginning. Those members that don't understand its point/trust system are more concerned about "outsiders" and the reducing of the availability even more because they think "availability" can just be opened at will to non-members, than going somewhere else. With 94% of points (94% of occupancy) sold, that's virtually every unit, for every resort and every week booked just with Embarc members. The only "wiggle room" are the 6% of points the developer owns & rents out. Apart from shoulder (low) season weeks, the most popular of the 9 resorts require booking at 11 months out to get what one wants. One can dream but the reality of what it is (unless Hilton develops more new rooms/resorts to sell) makes it unlikely that very many HGVC (or HVC) members get in unless Embarc members participate "en masse" in exchanges.

 

[HuskerATL]

Embarc members participate "en masse" in exchanges.

They may if they then had full access to HGVC properties

 

[PigsDad]

Crappy deal for HGVC and Embarc owners if they call it HGVC and then not provide unfettered HGVC access.

This would go directly against the statement Mark Wang, HGV President and CEO, wrote in a memo that someone posted in a Facebook group earlier this year:

Specifically, the second bullet item:

In the event a new property is developed for Hilton Grand Vacations and affiliated with the HGV Club, all HGV Club Members will have access to book a stay at the resort during the Club Reservation window.

They are re-branding the Embarc properties as HGV Club (HGVC), so it seems this statement would apply to those resorts as well. There may be some details to be worked out, but it seems that the intention is to allow all members access to all HGVC properties in the long term.

Kurt

 

[cd5]

They may if they then had full access to HGVC properties

It remains an exchange. There are no "extra" units left to give access any other way.

 

[dioxide45]

This would go directly against the statement Mark Wang, HGV President and CEO, wrote in a memo that someone posted in a Facebook group earlier this year:
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Specifically, the second bullet item:

They are re-branding the Embarc properties as HGV Club (HGVC), so it seems this statement would apply to those resorts as well. There may be some details to be worked out, but it seems that the intention is to allow all members access to all HGVC properties in the long term.

Kurt

Not so sure. Nothing mentioned about Embarc affiliating with the HGV club.

 

[PigsDad]

Exchanging is just that - I give up a week so you can use it. As I've explained previously, the master declaration for Embarc makes it virtually impossible to change the terms of use for its members. Club Intrawest was never part of Hilton/HGVC. What was in existance prior to 2016 was simply an exchange agreement which was dissolved (by Hilton) when Diamond took over CI. Embarc members are already in what you call "a silo". They can go outside their 9 resorts only by exchanging - since the beginning. Those members that don't understand its point/trust system are more concerned about "outsiders" and the reducing of the availability even more because they think "availability" can just be opened at will to non-members, than going somewhere else. With 94% of points (94% of occupancy) sold, that's virtually every unit, for every resort and every week booked just with Embarc members. The only "wiggle room" are the 6% of points the developer owns & rents out. Apart from shoulder (low) season weeks, the most popular of the 9 resorts require booking at 11 months out to get what one wants. One can dream but the reality of what it is (unless Hilton develops more new rooms/resorts to sell) makes it unlikely that very many HGVC (or HGV) members get in unless Embarc members participate "en masse" in exchanges.

Again I ask -- how did it work back when the Club Intrawest properties could be booked directly by HGVC members (and vice versa) back before Diamond took over? How I believe it worked is just like w/ RCI exchanges -- when HGVC members use their points to book an RCI property, HGV deposits an equivalent amount of inventory to RCI. In the end, it balances out.

Why would that not work with Embarc properties? Behind the scenes, when Embarc owners use their points to book HGVC properties, an equivalent amount of inventory would be made available for HGVC members. It is not just the 6% that is the "wiggle room", it is that plus all of the equivalent inventory from Embarc members using their points to book HGVC properties.

Kurt