HGVC original vs. MAX

[TLLEE05]

I just went to an owners update and wanted to share information regarding HGVMAX vs. "HGVC Legacy" ownership. If I understood correctly, those who do upgrade to HGVMAX move there owned week from legacy inventory over to the HGVMAX inventory. What this means is for those who elect to remain in Legacy, our pool of inventory properties to vacation at is lowered making it more difficult to find properties available to vacation. Has anyone heard about this? So if we do not accept the upgrade at the time of our owners update explaining HGVMAX, we lose out on the incentive and then are stuck with a lower pool amount of properties. What to confirm if others understood the difference this way as it really will force legacy owners to convert at some point but at a higher price if we wait too long?

 

[GT75]

What to confirm if others understood the difference this way as it really will force legacy owners to convert at some point but at a higher price if we wait too long?

Wow, completely untrue. I would never believe anything coming from a salesperson lips.

 

[dayooper]

I just went to an owners update and wanted to share information regarding HGVMAX vs. "HGVC Legacy" ownership. If I understood correctly, those who do upgrade to HGVMAX move there owned week from legacy inventory over to the HGVMAX inventory. What this means is for those who elect to remain in Legacy, our pool of inventory properties to vacation at is lowered making it more difficult to find properties available to vacation. Has anyone heard about this? So if we do not accept the upgrade at the time of our owners update explaining HGVMAX, we lose out on the incentive and then are stuck with a lower pool amount of properties. What to confirm if others understood the difference this way as it really will force legacy owners to convert at some point but at a higher price if we wait too long?

Eh, I think this is just salesman talk. The issue is that Max does not have enough inventory to support a new membership. When Marriott went to points and severed the ties with their legacy weeks program, they had to bring in as many weeks members as they could so they offered them the ability to turn their weeks into the points program for free. Sure they had weeks they owned, but most of those were low season weeks. The same goes for HGVC right now. They would have to keep their inventory separate if they delineated between Legacy and Max and they would not have enough quality weeks to make it worth it. There has been no move to bring in any deeds into the program outside of purchasing new deeds.

Reasons why this is not true and not to worry:

• Not enough inventory in Max and no vehicle to grant more except more purchases
• No delineation between Max and Legacy right now
• Every indication we have now is Max is an exchange program between the different sides of the company.
• If this were true, with less members in Legacy, the less demand there would be for quality weeks
• If this were true, they would have already moved their owned inventory to Max.
• With the recent dump of weeks into the resale market (see link below), I believe they are not keeping any deeds. If they were trying to keep up the Max inventory, they wouldn't be selling any deeds. They would be putting these deeds into the Max inventory.
• They would be exercising ROFR much more often than they are (which is never right now).
• The resale market does support the company. They don't have to pay the MF's on those sold that otherwise might go delinquent and they make about $1100 on each resale transaction.
• Salesweasles stretch the truth, omit details and outright lie to make a sale

The choice is yours on what to believe.

Excessive Number of Timeshares available on Redweek

Has anyone noticed recently that there seems to be an excessive number of HGVC timeshares available for sale on Redweek? I've been watching over the last several months because I thought we'd add another week to our timeshares since I recently retired. There have always been a fair number of...

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[ljmiii]

I just went to an owners update and wanted to share information...

Wow! It's been a while since I've read of a HGV salesrep so blatantly proving the adage, "How can you tell if a timeshare salesrep is lying? Their lips are moving..."

What to confirm if others understood the difference this way as it really will force legacy owners to convert at some point but at a higher price if we wait too long?

Of course not. If anything, my money is on HGV allowing legacy owners to gain Max for a comparatively low fixed fee once the well of people willing to pay ~$10K (or more) for Max dries up. Maybe at Max's 5th anniversary (like Marriott Vacation Club did).

 

[dioxide45]

When Marriott went to points and severed the ties with their legacy weeks program, they had to bring in as many weeks members as they could so they offered them the ability to turn their weeks into the points program for free

It wasn't free enrollment for MVC owners. There was an enrollment fee between $595 and $1995 depending on how many weeks were owned and how they were acquired.

Maybe at Max's 5th anniversary (like Marriott Vacation Club did).

Marriott didn't do any kind of special milestone enrollment offer.

 

[ljmiii]

It wasn't free enrollment for MVC owners. There was an enrollment fee between $595 and $1995 depending on how many weeks were owned and how they were acquired.

Marriott didn't do any kind of special milestone enrollment offer.

I may have misremembered the date, but my memory is that on the 5th Anniversary of the Destinations Program MVC dropped the enrollment fee for pre-2010 weeks and introduced the annual 'amnesty' program that allows post-2010 weeks to be enrolled with the direct purchase of a sufficient number of points (or an enrolled week in non-US locations).

 

[dayooper]

It wasn't free enrollment for MVC owners. There was an enrollment fee between $595 and $1995 depending on how many weeks were owned and how they were acquired.

Marriott didn't do any kind of special milestone enrollment offer.

Yeah, I said that wrong. I should have said with no trust purchased.

 

[dioxide45]

I may have misremembered the date, but my memory is that on the 5th Anniversary of the Destinations Program MVC dropped the enrollment fee for pre-2010 weeks and introduced the annual 'amnesty' program that allows post-2010 weeks to be enrolled with the direct purchase of a sufficient number of points (or an enrolled week in non-US locations).

The current sales model of HGV Max works like the current MVC amnesty/promo enrollment offers. It requires a big direct purchase to enroll ineligible resale weeks. In order to get into HGV Max, you need to pay for a developer purchase. I don't recall when MVC dropped the enrollment fee or exactly when they started offering the ability to enroll ineligible resale weeks. Five years may be about right.

Currently there is no enrollment option to get into HGV Max without a direct purchase. I don't know if they will ever change that. They could perhaps start offering it for the fee they outline in the owner guide. I think it is $7000?

 

[TLLEE05]

I thought I read (on this website?) there was a current legacy HGVC enrollment of $7,000 plus $1,000 per deed. I assume this is not true at this point?

 

[GT75]

I assume this is not true at this point?

Correct. Not true. No written rules so that everything can be made up.

 

[brp]

Correct. Not true. No written rules so that everything can be made up.

I thought that some had reported being offered this at some point meaning that it was possibly true in certain cases, although still not written.

Cheers.

 

[ljmiii]

I thought I read (on this website?) there was a current legacy HGVC enrollment of $7,000 plus $1,000 per deed. I assume this is not true at this point?

It was announced but never implemented. That said, I have read of at least one person who was able to get Max by paying $7K for an upgrade of their directly purchased HGVC deed.

 

[GT75]

Salespeople have reported all kinds of things

 

[jp10558]

Somehow I doubt anyone is champing at the bit to buy Max specifically anyway. Retail people buy bad deals all the time, Max doesn't really change that - it lets them bamboozle with "more locations" and likely actually sell them DRI points. Most resale people see no reason to pay at least one more week's deed resale to get 6 month access to DRI properties. I haven't seen any interest in Bluegreen either. The one DRI property I stayed at was Wychnor Park UK, and I was able to use RCI for an Extra Vacation for ~$1,000. That didn't inspire me to run out and get access to more really.

 

[ljmiii]

Somehow I doubt anyone is champing at the bit to buy Max specifically anyway....

There are actually a staggering number of people on other social media who post asking 'How do I join Max?' Some of them even ask '...for as little money as possible.' An even smaller subset actually sort of know that they would gain access to a bunch more resorts...but almost never know that it comes with a paltry 6 month booking window.

 

[jp10558]

There are actually a staggering number of people on other social media who post asking 'How do I join Max?' Some of them even ask '...for as little money as possible.' An even smaller subset actually sort of know that they would gain access to a bunch more resorts...but almost never know that it comes with a paltry 6 month booking window.

Do they explain why they want Max if they don't know what it is? Maybe they think it's a status tier or something IDK.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

Do they explain why they want Max if they don't know what it is?

Explain? People fall for marketing. They do it all the time, nonstop. nearly $200,000,000,000 will be spent this year on ads in the US alone.
I want IT because "I have a hole in my life. My life won't be complete without IT"
I want IT because "somebody I know has IT"
I want IT because "all the cool people IT"
I want IT because "having IT looks like so much fun on TV"

 

[WaikikiFirst]

subset actually sort of know that they would gain access to a bunch more resorts...but almost never know that it comes with a paltry 6 month booking window

now THAT is highly effective marketing. Score one for HGV

 

[dioxide45]

There are actually a staggering number of people on other social media who post asking 'How do I join Max?' Some of them even ask '...for as little money as possible.' An even smaller subset actually sort of know that they would gain access to a bunch more resorts...but almost never know that it comes with a paltry 6 month booking window.

The cheapest way to join Max is just go out and buy a resale deed of the opposite program from what you own. May not be quite as flexible, but is also more flexible in other ways. Way cheaper too!

 

[jp10558]

The cheapest way to join Max is just go out and buy a resale deed of the opposite program from what you own. May not be quite as flexible, but is also more flexible in other ways. Way cheaper too!

Though now there's Bluegreen so 2 deeds probably, with 2 more MFs. TBH, most posts on here steer people away from DRI resale, but I think I was corrected on Bluegreen being much better resale, but also they're ROFRering a lot I guess, maybe? As always, you have to figure out if you actually really want to go to the other properties.

 

[geist1223]

We are Legacy DRI Members. We have no desire to join MAX. Nor do other DRI Members we have talked to about it. If they understand what they are gaining (very little) and what Legacy Rights/Entitlements they are losing (a lot). We have traded into HGVC Resorts at 13 months with our Worldmark Credits. Much better deal than the 6 months with MAX.

 

[jp10558]

We are Legacy DRI Members. We have no desire to join MAX. Nor do other DRI Members we have talked to about it. If they understand what they are gaining (very little) and what Legacy Rights/Entitlements they are losing (a lot). We have traded into HGVC Resorts at 13 months with our Worldmark Credits. Much better deal than the 6 months with MAX.

How do you trade from Worldmark into HGVC? I though Worldmark was II and HGVC is RCI (mostly)?

 

[Talent312]

If I understood correctly... [sales weasel BS].

You may have heard the sales-weasel correctly, but it was totally bogus.
There is no "Max" inventory. HGVC and DVC-HVC do not go anywhere.
Max only gets you booking rights in the other's leftovers at 6 mos. out.
.

 

[geist1223]

How do you trade from Worldmark into HGVC? I though Worldmark was II and HGVC is RCI (mostly)?

Worldmark trades in both. Worldmark is more closely aligned with RCI. Have a direct Portal from my Worldmark Account to RCI. Originally Worldmark was aligned with II. When Wyndham bought Trendwest they aligned primarily with RCI. Wyndham owns RCI.

 

[h2oflyboy]

I went to an OU in Sept 2024. I usually avoid them like the plague. My last one was in Mar 2024 and I was moved to Centum/MAX and at that time started to see Resort Credits and Open Season Credits ($1000.00).

Today... I am looking at my Open Season Credits and they were lowered to $700.00. When I look at transaction history, they were lowered in July 2024 by $300.00 - I was nowhere near a HGVC club during that period of time.

In Sept... I was moved into Legacy, not sure if that is what happened to me? Did they remove me from MAX/Centum? It seems to be so. At this time, I am super confused - since the dates do not correlate.

The one big plus - I am able to contact my concierge directly to handle difficult bookings. He has saved me 2x in the past few months - If I lose him, I will be sad. That was the only BIG BONUS besides the extra $$ for open seasons reservations.