HGV Max - Diamond Integration Discussion in Owner Update

[GMan82]

Any idea when the announcement will be? I assumed 4/1. The email from Soroka dated 1/4/22 and titled “What’s New with your Club Membership in 2022” just says early Q2. The excerpt is as follows:

“Looking ahead, we are working around the clock to launch our new membership program early in the second quarter of 2022. The new membership program will provide Members access to more properties in new destinations and markets, in addition to new and enhanced benefits. As details are finalized, including program costs and fees, we will be sure to share these with you.”

 

[dougp26364]

You mean an announcement on April Fools Day? How appropriate for a timeshare company

 

[PigsDad]

I heard the date of April 4th thrown around.

Kurt

 

[dayooper]

I heard the date of April 4th thrown around.

Kurt

Same here.

 

[pedro47]

I heard the date of April 4th thrown around.

Kurt

Ditto

 

[GT75]

I heard the date of April 4th thrown around.

That means that you still have time to get in on the ground floor of that HGV Max program.

 

[PigsDad]

That means that you still have time to get in on the ground floor of that HGV Max program.

Who do I make the check out to?

Kurt

 

[Eric B]

Interesting change in DEX noted by @NiteMaire in this thread:

Minor Change in DeX

Icons within DeX have changed. Now, it's a blue circle with the following letters: "M" - Managed, "AR" - Affiliated, "DA" DeX Affiliate, and "DP" - DeX Partner. I recall the DA/DP having the "D" in the middle with a red (?) circle above it. I don't recall being able to differentiate between...

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HGVC now seems to be listed as a DEX partner.

 

[NiteMaire]

Interesting change in DEX noted by @NiteMaire in this thread:
HGVC now seems to be listed as a DEX partner.

I think @youppi can shed additional light, but I think they were listed as such in the past (DeX backend uses RCI for some of the inventory--I presume that's where the inventory is pulled). My takeaway is that it seems to indicate HGVC inventory will continue to be separate from DRI/DeX inventory. Put another way, HGVC is not considered "Managed" inventory in DeX. This seems to be in line with what CSRs have been saying...access will continue as usual. Even with the standup of HGV Max, I fully anticipate limited HGVC/HGV Max inventory in DeX. After all, HGV needs DRI owners to experience HGVC so they can be persuaded to buy into HGV Max.

ETA: DeX is interesting. I recently used DeX to exchange into a Shell timeshare in a Wyndham controlled resort and received an RCI exchange confirmation. Seems like multiple complex relationships.

 

[Eric B]

I didn’t see any announcement on the 4th; did anyone else see anything?

 

[NiteMaire]

I didn’t see any announcement on the 4th; did anyone else see anything?

Nope...and owners who attended a presentation today heard everything from tomorrow to August/September!

Some resorts had some type of celebration.

Seems odd if they wait a few more months. Then again, I'm sure sales will wpin it by saying owners should take advantage of the delay and buy now to be grandfathered into Max. Speculation runs wild!

 

[GT75]

Then again, I'm sure sales will wpin it by saying owners should take advantage of the delay and buy now to be grandfathered into Max. Speculation runs wild!

My thoughts exactly on how it will play out on the sales floor. I can almost hear them saying it.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

hen again, I'm sure sales will wpin it by saying owners should take advantage of the delay and buy now to be grandfathered into Max. Speculation runs wild!

My thoughts exactly on how it will play out on the sales floor. I can almost hear them saying it.

That's essentially what they've been saying since the purchase was announced. Last presentation we went to (in August) was about how we should buy points to get to Platinum, because if we were Platinum we would almost surely be added into the HGVC program (though no details about integration were yet available). And, as a reward to Diamond members for loyalty, Hilton was allowing Diamond resorts to continue to sell points in the Diamond program at Diamond pricing instead of Hilton pricing.

Likely the least persuasive timeshare sales pitch I've ever heard. I guess they have to find some potential benefit to sell, even if there isn't anything to sell.

 

[DRIplatinum]

This past weekend we attended a HGV MAX sales pitch for our DRI points.
Two options available,
1) DO NOTHING or
2) convert DRI points into MAX with a 10,000 point upgrade, of coarse for a fee.

Question, if we DO NOTHING, does our DRI membership and current tier program remain intact ?

 

[GT75]

Question, if we DO NOTHING, does our DRI membership and current tier program remain intact ?

Details on HGV Max program have been released for HGVC members on the web site. For HGVG Legacy members, the answer is yes. I would expect the same for DRI members. Has anything been officially released for DRI members?

 

[Cewood]

Where is it in the HGVC website? I am logged in and don't see it.

 

[NiteMaire]

Details on HGV Max program have been released for HGVC members on the web site. For HGVG Legacy members, the answer is yes. I would expect the same for DRI members. Has anything been officially released for DRI members?

Haven't seen anything for DRI members.

Where is it in the HGVC website? I am logged in and don't see it.

I'm not HGVC so I don't know where it's at, but attached are some pictures for of it.
Here's the post that accompanied the pictures.
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There you have it. HGV Max, HGV Legacy. In the club rules dated April 4th, there is a $7000 buy in, six month booking window for Diamond resorts for HGV Max members. No restrictions on resale ownership. All a lot of nothing, paying $7000 to book unnamed Diamond resorts six months out that you could book via RCI. My wallet is firmly closed.
I think Club fees for HGV Max members are significantly higher than those for the HGV Legacy Owners.
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For $7K, you may be better off purchasing a resale HGVC unit if you already own with Diamond.

 

[Beanieh01]

Where is it in the HGVC website? I am logged in and don't see it.

Log into your account and go to the HOA section under the "Ownership" drop down. There is a disclosure statement dated April 4. It looks different than what NiteMaire posted though - not sure where those pics came from

 

[Eric B]

From page 16 of the new set of Club Rules:

HGV Max is not available to persons who acquire an ownership interest at a Hilton Grand Vacations resort via the secondary resale market.

Can't say that I'm all that disappointed as I didn't really feel like popping an extra $7,000 to join HGV Max, particularly when the rules include the following on page 17:

The HGV Max program has no pre-determined termination date and may continue until such time as Hilton Grand Vacations decides to terminate the program with or without notice.

Lotsa luck selling HGV Max to any rational HGVC owners - it sounds worse than most Mexican RTU ownerships to me.

 

[GT75]

Where is it in the HGVC website? I am logged in and don't see it.

It is an update to the rules. But I have also attached the new rules.

 

[Beanieh01]

Log into your account and go to the HOA section under the "Ownership" drop down. There is a disclosure statement dated April 4. It looks different than what NiteMaire posted though - not sure where those pics came from

Oops actually all the info is also in the Club Rules documents under the "Club" drop down.

 

[Msb1102]

$7k??

 

[Eric B]

I think Club fees for HGV Max members are significantly higher than those for the HGV Legacy Owners.

Not really; the fees listed for HGV Max are "Inclusive Club Dues" and are at $281 while the corresponding dues for eligible owners (i.e., Hilton Club - formerly by Hilton Club) are $325 - that's the class of dues that includes exchange fees.

 

[GT75]

Can't say that I'm all that disappointed as I didn't really feel like popping an extra $7,000 to join HGV Max

Honestly, I am glad that our HGVC Legacy program remains intact. I was much more interested to see how that was being affected.

 

[NiteMaire]

Not really; the fees listed for HGV Max are "Inclusive Club Dues" and are at $281 while the corresponding dues for eligible owners (i.e., Hilton Club - formerly by Hilton Club) are $325 - that's the class of dues that includes exchange fees.

That part of my post was from a FB group so I presume the poster misread it. With @GT75 posting the document, that part of my post is mostly obsolete.

$7k??

I haven't seen anyone on the HGVC Owners FB Group say they will pay that if not grandfathered. Actually, I think 100% have said no way.
With HGV Max members being able to reserve at only 6 months out, DRI owners are mostly protected from having their ownership affected. Then again, this has the potential to affect inventory at 60 days out so there may be some unhappy DRI owners.