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Heard of "M" Resorts in Puerto Vallarta? [AKA Castles & Condos]

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Just remember - everyone of us will want to go during the months of December - April and it will not be possible. Any M-weeks will most likely be during the summer season that was less expensive and that is the hot rainy season.
 

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I have heard, to be confirmed, that

a) a women named Amanda in Puerto Vallarta has been hired by the developer of C&C for customer service for already existing C&C residence club membres, including reservations (or maybe just reservations? - time will soon tell) - I assume hired therefore by DNG or by Donald Busby or Nick Demare directly, reporting to ? - she will be taking over from Sylvia, Mae and Keith regarding doing reservations for C&C members (maybe also future C&C member reservations too?), and that a letter is being worked on to that effect at this time and we can expect that letter on Monday or Tuesday from DNG, and that Amanda will look after booking registered weeks and m-weeks at C&C (the latter subject to availability is what it says in your contracts - let's see what the letter says or Amanda says about M-weeks next week - I will certainly be calling her early in the week as soon as I have a phone number)

b) that it is still proposed that Keith Thomson and Saver Express will look after new sales of timeshares at C&C effective Sep 15 (is there really that many weeks to sell? - if too many weeks are sold, what happens to m-weeks - see next post)

c) that Keith Thomson will still be proposing unlimited use of Saver Express for C&C members as of Sep 15, and so C&C members would get an account at Saver Express at that time if requested - but question - would you have to exchange / bow-out of your C&C m-weeks to get that? - just a thought I did not ask yet - I will wait for clarification next week from DNG and from Keith

so let's see what happens next week - time is approaching for me to try and get my 2009 m-week through Saver Express or DNG if I can still get what I was promised, and if I don't have to give up future m-weeks at C&C completely

I have posted earlier in regards to my communications with Keith Thomson. He was previously the only person that has contacted me personally on any emails that I have sent, so there is a ray of hope.

He passed on our situation with the paid for reservations and 2 weeks in a 2 bedroom unit in November to Amanda LaRosee of DNG. She is apparently the head of member services for DNG. Keith relayed our predicament to Amanda and stated she would take personal charge of our plight. I responded to his hand off with this email:

Keith,

Thanks. A couple of questions though:

1) For Amanda, member services from what company -- SaverExpress, Resorts Advantage, C &C ?
2) Contact info for Amanda?

Also, since we have paid for airfare and cannot cancel that, I have made contingent arrangements for our trip in November, but I must cancel those if we are to get other (acceptable) accommodations through you. The window to cancel those contingencies is rather far out from our arrival date in Puerto Vallarta (Nov. 8), so I do need to know soon what alternatives from SaverExpress that we have. Sorry to get insistent, but obviously with all these questions in the C&C issues and our upcoming travel, I don't want to throw more good money after bad.

Thank you for your prompt attention in this matter.

Bob Forsythe/Brenda Gormley


Amanda emailed me the following day with this note. She assures us her personal attention in this matter and that our concerns will be addressed soon. I have emailed her and reiterated that we need to know by the end of September (preferably sooner) what arrangements have been made so that we can cancel our alternative plan or refund us our payment in full for the 2 weeks.

Mr. Forsythe

Thank you for contacting Mr. Thompson at SAVER EXPRESS. I am the head of Member Services for DNG Capital Corp. I am here to address any of your questions and concerns. DNG Capital Corp is getting ready to formally introduce SAVER EXPRESS to the members early next week. The developer is very excited to present this opportunity to everyone.

I can certainly understand the position you are in and rest assured the new developer and Mr. Thompson continue to work on your request as they are both dedicated to providing you with he quality vacations that you expect with the highest level of service.

Do not hesitate to contact me with any further questions. I will be in touch the moment I have more information.

Sincerely,

Amanda LaRosee
Member Services
DNG Capital Corp


Whatever results I get, I will post the outcome here as soon as I have them.

Bob

PS These reservations were made back in February, long before the new reservations policy. Lynda MacPherson and company had no problems in taking our reservations and payment.
 
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The only other point I make before running out for the evening is the sentence

"if you wish to make a reservation you can do so at any time and if Castles and Condos is not complete when you wish to visit they we will provide comparable accomodation at no or limited additional cost"

so those of you that already have reservations (not waiting list for reservations) that were approved by C&C (and not perhaps those with reservations approved by M Dreams, but hopefully both will be honoured), contact Resorts Advantage and then let us know by posting here what they say about your reservation

and for those that don't yet have reservations, I doubt Resorts Advantage will be taking them yet, but let me know if they are - 90 days to restart construction and then 10 months to completion is 13 months, which puts us in August 2010 - so it will be interesting when Resorts Advantage will start to actually book reservations therefore for fall 2010 and winter 2011, and what they will do with those that might want to use a 2009 m week they were gauranteed (likely will be told again that you can only carry it forward) - I certainly will be trying to book as soon as I can for next fall, so I will let you know how that turns out

if you find out sooner, let me know

FOR THOSE ALSO KEEPING PRIVATE CONTACT WITH ME, LET ME KNOW WHETHER YOU GOT THE LETTER, SO I CAN CORRELATE THAT WITH WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT WHETHER YOU ARE PAID IN FULL AND WHETHER YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH M DREAMS OR OTHER COMPANY - I will then report back as to whether any correlation was found (unless Mr. Demare cares to let us know right away anyway who got the letter and who did not)

thanks

Joe Faubert

We bought early on if they started selling in July of 08, we bought in Aug, 2008. Contract reads- M Dreams Construction S.A. de C.V. and we've paid in full. We have received correspondance letters/emails so far letting us know of changes.
We were there at the end of June to check on progress & it was a ghost town compared to when we were there for our presentation. With different players, too, none of the staff we seen the first time. The unit they showed us back in 2008, was completed, but that was all they would show us.
Hoping this construction all gets back on track, because it is a beautiful spot!
 

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big promises

The over-riding "push" that had us buy at C&C was the promise that Grand Xcapes would buy our other timeshare. In fact, we have a piece of paper which says it's a "binding agreement", signed and dated, that this would occur within 6 months. Well, it's 6 months and Grand Xcapes says they have no such agreement with us......... Is anyone else in this same boat? We're gasping for air enough as it is with the C&C deal! We just shake our heads at the fact that we are educated, grandparent-aged, supposedly mature, level headed adults. How could we be so naive???? Thank you, Joe, so much for all your work here. And how thankful we are for this blog!!!

We were promised guaranteed rental on 2 registered weeks. They told us to do this through CPW (Corporate Paradis Weeks, Inc) which was just a sales pitch, just wonder how they could do it with a clear conscious! We, too, are old enough to know this was probably to good to be true. Hoping & praying that we have the promised resort to use our registered weeks at!
 

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It just occured to me that Joe mentioned he hasn't seen any membership numbers below the "100" mark, but my membership is ICC0028, so I guess I was one of the first purchasers. I've just sent off an email and a copy of my contract and letter from Tracy confirming I'm paid in full. I'll await confirmation from Silvia. I've also put a C&C post on Twitter and will re-post each day in hopes of finding more owners.

Our membership number is close, we must have been there about the same time :)
I put a post on Facebook for Castles & Condos hoping to let other owners know about this BBS, power in numbers!
 
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Our membership number is [removed], we must have been there about the same time :)
I put a post on Facebook for Castles & Condos hoping to let other owners know about this BBS, power in numbers!

I deleted that page on facebook, I read you couldn't have 2 going on, I'll try to figure out how to get it out there, hopefully.
 
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Amanda, Saver Express, other stuff for C&C members

The count of C&C contract holders I am in communication with is now 40! Some members are just finding these TUG posts for the first time only now. That implies that many more will yet hopefully find these TUG posts, and we will thus get to be a bigger group yet.

I caution members to be careful of how much personal and contract identification data one provides in posts on-line in this forum, as it is a public forum. Two of the C&C members I am in contact with are planning to create a web-site with a user-id and password protected private section for C&C members only. We will have to determine which applicants for membership on this web site are truly members and not imposters. Thus things like contract # and contact information and unit size etc might be criteria to help us do that. If it is already public knowledge, then that information is not reliable.

Now for the good news. It is becoming more and more likley that DNG will be honoring the core element of the C&C residence club membership, that being use of the Castles and Condos resort by the membership during a registered week, and also m-weeks if available. What else we get is what will take time to find out. Some minor proof that DNG is serious about honoring the contracts is that we know that some C&C members who already had reservations for 2009 already were put up in alternative accomodations in PV this year, and that DNG continues to work towards being in contact with all members and listening to their concerns and hoping to put C&C accomodation in place for registered weeks and continue to sell more timeshare weeks at C&C (DNG says through Amanda LaRosee that there is plenty of space available still, though in my opinion this is yet to be proven, but this is what Amanda says "Let me assure you that there is more than a sufficient amount of inventory available. The resort is far from full.").

Amanda LaRosee has sent emails to some of you already. If you have asked a question recently through Keith Thomson of Saver Express, through Resorts Advantage, or through castlesandcondospv at gmail.com to Sylvia or Mae, your questions has probably now been routed to Amanda. Amanda has been very recently hired by DNG to be the "new head of member services for DNG Capial Corp" and will handle the C&C customer relations for DNG. I am not sure whether Sylvia and Mae at DNG are assigned to her, or will go back to doing other work for DNG, but my guess is probably the latter (from Amanda, "Mae and Silvia are still here - they have other responsibilities and are not able to keep up with member correspondence"). In another email to me, Amanda also gave her role as "your new Member Service Representative", not mentioning being head of Member Services, so likely this is a one person member services department, but time will tell, perhaps Sylvia helping out when Amanda is away or needs extra support?

We expect DNG to issue a formal email to all C&C residence club members this week, likely first half of the week, regarding Amanda and regarding Saver Express also, either in separate releases or in a single email. There is a good chance other C&C members will beat me to the punch of announcing this letter has gone out and will have posted it's contents.

When that letter is posted has having been issued, if you are a C&C member and do not receive that email within 24 hours, I strongly recommend you contact Amanda as soon as possible. She is likely answering any email to castelsandcondospv at gmail.com, or will be providing her specific gmail address to each of us.

Amanda has noted "Resorts Advantage will remain as your Reservations and Accounting Contact", but I believe for reservations this will only apply once the C&C resort is ready for timeshare use. Use of M-weeks not at C&C will be done via Saver Express, likely through their web site via accounts C&C members may be provided with (re quote from Amanda "when you are enrolled you will be able to " (book a reservation at another resort is implied from context). Use of M-weeks at C&C is likely to be very limited, probably mostly during low season, since your contracts say "subject to availability", an escape clause really.

One comment I find confusing from Amanda is "DNG Capital Corp and Mr. Thomson are continuously working on a solution for reservations which is why Resort Advantage is not taking reservations at this time and those requesting were being directed to Mr. Thomson so he could explain this". Yet Amanda also states that reservations will be done by Resorts Advantage. So I expect that, as I noted above, reservations will be done through Resorts Advantage if you want to stay at C&C, and m-weeks not used at C&C will be booked through Saver Express. Since Keith Thomson of Saver Express has indicated to me that likely each C&C member will get "unlimited use" of Saver Express (and thus for unlimited weeks I would assume) then it really does not matter how many m-weeks you have for use if you use them outside of C&C, and in fact will be independent of whether you use an m-week at C&C - I doubt that will reduce the number of weeks you have to use through Saver Express, since there is no guarantee as to the maximimum price you will pay for a week booked through Saver Express (but an m-week at C&C has a maximum price - your registered week price).

I believe there are concerns for some members that were planning to mostly rent their registered weeks or even pay for and rent also m-weeks, or were planning on booking and exchanging registered weeks or m-weeks. I suspect if you wanted to rent an m-week at C&C, that you could try and book an m-week there, likely low season, and could then rent it out privately, as your contract does allow it. Will you be able to book a registered week or M-week at C&C and then exchange it? How? Perhaps through an Interval Exchange membership, but I don't think we will see that as part of the package offered to us, and that C&C will not be a member resort of Interval Exchange? But I am only speculating, and I hope I am wrong. I will expect Amanda will need to clarify this, but that it will not come out from the first email blast to members that DNG will do.

We will be asked to sign new contracts. From Amanda, "New contracts will indeed need to be signed by all members and DNG Capital Corp is busy with this process as we speek." When we see the new contracts we will know then how much we are losing in expected other non-core privileges outside of the use of a registered week and m-weeks, and each will have to decide whether to sign the new contract or argue for a better deal with DNG or through legal recourse. Or perhaps DNG would offer refunds, but I doubt it, but time will tell.

Regarding extra privileges like golf and driver service and II membership and yacht club and "platinum preferred membership", Amanda had this reply to me: "If M Dreams/Hotels paid enrollment fees to an outside company for additional services such as golf, yacht, and/or exchange affiliation then members would be entitled to those services." ... "The 'M' weeks will be available to use subject to availability. I am not sure what services will be provided to members staying at the resort at this time. I will update you as I find out."

I speculate almost with certainty that most likely M Dreams did not pay yet any enrollment fees to an outside company for additional services in the case of almost all contracts, and so likely it will just be up to DNG and Saver Express as to "what services will be provided to members staying at the resort", and I mention Saver Express because they will be selling any new memberships (there will be new memberships, as that is why Saver Express is involved).

However, I do note that the golf privileges are referred to in the core contract in at least my case, in the "addendum", as are free use of any gym or spa facilities there (but will there be any facilities? - Keith thinks so), and tennis courts if any (but there are none).

The other concern I would have for the new contracts is whether they will have wording that keeps them perpetual. The contract in its internal rules and regulations pages states the contract is in perpetuity. One of the big selling points of the contract is that one could pass them on to one's children and the new contract holders would have the same booking privileges. But the contract also states that "internal rules and regulations" can be amended from time to time by the residence provider where necessary.

That's all for now. I will continue to pose specific questions to Amanda and others from time to time as I have done so already that resulted in some of the answers mentioned above.

In my opinion, the developer DNG was aware of the privileges being offered by the company contracted to do its sales, or should have been through due dilligence, as it (DNG) was in communication (via Donald Busby and his representatives) with the sales company (via Fraser Smith and Daniel Mamann), and that this could be proven. It could also likley be proven that the provider, though now DNG Capital Corp, and previously Castles and Condos SA de PV, were essentially controlled by the same person and existed for the same purpose and thus have the same obligations. Thus in my opinion DNG Capital Corp should be obligated to provide its members with the privileges the sales company offered, as I am certain that DNG was aware of what privileges were being offered (ie II membership, Platinum Preferred Membership, etc). Whether we get that, time will tell.

Joe Faubert
 

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DNG letter to C&C members, 24 Aug 2009

ok, so I happened to be on-line when the email came, so maybe I am first to post the letter from DNG - though it does not say very much at all, so hopefully many more details will be flushed out before 15 Sep 2009 when Saver Express takes over sales and marketting, which does not affect existing members too much except perhaps being able to do bookings at other resorts through Saver Express, maybe even regardless of how many m-weeks you have, but nothing said about that in this email content

here it is ... if you did not get this email today, contact Amanda LaRosee at DNG, email amanda.larosee at gmail.com (replace ' at ' with '@') - I provide that email instead of the castlesandcondospv email because Amanda sent out the announcement using her named gmail account, not the generic C&C one ..

(logo left out, the first line of the letterhead under the logo being a little ironic at this time - "the best investment you can ever make" - let's hope that turns out still to be true)



Castles and Condos, a Development by DNG Mexico

August 24, 2009

Dear Member:

In the interests of keeping you informed and updated with recent changes we wish to bring to your attention the following additional information.
Further to our letter dated July 25, 2009 regarding the change of developer from Condos and Castles to DNG CAPITAL CORP. S.A. DE C.V.; at this time we are pleased to announce the appointment of SAVER EXPRESS as the new sales and marketing team as of September 15, 2009. SAVER EXPRESS is highly regarded in the private resort industry and we have every confidence that they will provide an excellent standard of service to our current and future members.

At this time I would like to take the opportunity to introduce myself, Amanda LaRosee, as your new director of Member Services. I bring significant experience in the private resort sector and I am committed to provide the highest standard of service to all members. Should you have any concerns or comments please do not hesitate to contact me and I would be most pleased to offer assistance.

Sincerely,

Amanda LaRosee
Member Services
DNG Capital Corp.
Amanda.larosee@gmail.com
castlesandcondospv@gmail.com
Tel: (322) 2216464 Ext. 130

Contact details for Reservations and Collections at Resorts Advantage:
Reservations: Castles&Condos@Resorts-Advantage.com
Payments: Castles&CondosCollections@Resorts-Advantage.com
 

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Hello, We also purchased 2 weeks at C&C back in Aug of 08. Along with our time, we were told that we would have XX weeks to use in either HSI or II. We have still never been able to get an answer / membership number to II. Pl

Anyone that is keeping track of other owners - please contact me.
 

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some stats on types of units, impact on m-weeks, rentals, exchanges

of the 40 C&C residence club members I am or have been in contact with,
(2 others were Enchantment owners)
1 for sure has received their money back from their credit card company,
and another got a refund right after they purchased

another uncounted owner I have not confirmed is a timeshare owner, so ignoring that one for now (CaptainCaveman1945)

so I am doing stats based on 38 current owners

PAID-IN-FULLS
just over half of you have indicated you are paid-in-full already, and only a handfull have said they are monthly, and the rest not indicated yet, so likely at least 2/3 of the respondents have paid in full, but this number perhaps cannot be projected across all contact count estimates proportionally, because those paid in full are perhaps more likely to search the internet for more information on the status of the resort

UNIT TYPES:
of those that have indicated their type of season
there is only one summer-only user (1 Studio)
and only 1 1BR is an anytime user,
and only 1 Studio is an anytime user,
remainder all winter users,
but 10 of the 38 have not indicated the season of use yet

2 have not replied back to confirm type of suite yet

1 is a 3-bedroom purchaser
5 are 2-bedroom purchasers, but 1 alternating years only
26 are 1-bedroom purchasers, but 9 alternating years only,
but 2 of the every-year users have 2 registered weeks, not 1
so that is only equivalent of about 23 registered weeks
4 are studio purchasers


REGISTERED AND M-WEEK ESTIMATES

so there are about 33 registered yearly weeks from 38 purchasers, if there were 300 purchasers, there would be, projected, 260 registered weeks, or about 5 units worth tied up for the year IF THERE ARE 300 PURCHASERS, and that includes summer time, when there is really no demand, so one could consider likely at least 2/3 to 3/4 of the registered weeks in winter season already spoken for (and the rest likely to be sold by Saver Express) - AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE M-WEEKS

there are also about 52 m-weeks for the 38 purchasers when accounting for alternating years and whether people had 0,1,2 or 3 m-weeks, so projected over 300 members, if there are that many, that is 410 m-weeks, so that is 8 more units tied up just in m-weeks if everyone used their m-weeks and used them at the resort

SO IF THERE ARE 300 PURCHASERS (there likley is somewhat less), then you can be sure m-weeks will be a scarce resorce, so one can see the need for DNG to have purchasers using m-weeks elsewhere and thus, since their are no other m-resorts available now, the importance of the Saver Express deal with DNG is readily apparent

BUT MAYBE THERE ARE ONLY 200 VALID COMPLETED CONTRACTS OUT THERE ?

but we do not know how many purchasers there really are, and how many are platinum and how many silver, and how many of each type of suite and for how many weeks, so it is all a guessing game, with the biggest factor also being that Saver Express will still be selling more suites, so my guess is there will be very few m-weeks available, and no m-weeks available during winter season

I hope to get an answer from the developer as to how many timeshare units there are physically for each type of unit size, and to confirm there are only 9 timeshare units, but even if we don't get any more data, don't count on using many m-weeks at C&C, so in my opinion go for the Saver Express deal when it is offered, if the terms of the deal and the new contracts with DNG that will come out sooner or later seam reasonable

certainly you should not count on renting or exchanging any of the m-weeks that you have acquired in your contract - there just won't be any to rent or exchange in the time-periods people will want to use C&C - you likely will be able to book and then rent or exchange your registered week once C&C completed, but that's all

just an educated guess

Joe Faubert
 

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certainly you should not count on renting or exchanging any of the m-weeks that you have acquired in your contract - there just won't be any to rent or exchange in the time-periods people will want to use C&C - you likely will be able to book and then rent or exchange your registered week once C&C completed, but that's all

just an educated guess

I figured that out right after all of you started posting about m-weeks - I just did not want to be the bearer of more bad news.

I have owned timeshares for 19 years, and several have bonus weeks with some name or another, so I knew how they worked. The salesmen always tell you that you can use the extra week to rent or exchange, but that seldom happens. At the MP, if you own only register one week, you cannot exchange your bonus week, so I did not figure that was possible at C&C either. I also knew that being such a small resort, if everyone had just one bonus week, once they sold 1/2 the units, it would be hard to get use of your bonus week (m-week) unless you went to one of their other resorts. Now we know there will not be other resorts, so we are basically out of luck.

We just need to hope that we get our register week!
 
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Hello All,

I have read through many of the messages on this thread and feel I have to join in.

My wife and I bought into C & C in December '08 and we got all of the same sales appeals and exagerated claims that have been touched on by others. We fell for it and wish we hadn't.

I contracted with a rental agency out of Scottsdale, AZ earlier this year to help rent our 1 or 2 weeks. The agency was recommended to us by our C & C sale agent, Art Denning. I contacted them after reading all of these messages. They replied that they are heading to PV today and will be back early next week. They are going to check things out and get back to me. I'll let you know what they report.

Yesterday, I also contacted via email the partner names on the letter all the buyers received a couple months back to basically ask about how this all impacts our contract and had the same questions as many of you. I heard back fairly promptly from Rob Anderson who said he is not affiliated with the C & C project. Boy, now isn't that good news from someone who is listed on a letter we all recently received and already he appears to be bugging out.

Like you, I'm tyring to get to the heart of this and simply hope at this point that the condo project will be completed and that we will have at least some of the things promised at the time of sale. This may have to go to some sort of legal action but I'm hoping not.

We just wanted to have some fun.

Toogoodtobetrue:wall:
 
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You can count us a fully paid owner of a 1 bedroom for 2 weeks.

I'd be curious to know if anyone has recently tried to get their money back.

Toogoodtobetrue
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You can count us a fully paid owner of a 1 bedroom for 2 weeks.

I'd be curious to know if anyone has recently tried to get their money back.

Toogoodtobetrue
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We purchased in Nov '08 and made our down payment by credit card. We paid the balance off by credit card about a month later to secure a full payment "discount".

Contacted the credit card company about a month ago which could have resolved the issue if the purchase(s) had been made within the last 90 days. So we could be out some big bucks if the C&C development doesn't come to fruition.

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Thanks Bob

Appreciate hearing back from you. We transferred our 6 month interest free credit card to a home equity which we are now paying. Yes, we could be out some big bucks indeed. Hope the project goes through.
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Bob,

We did tell them that the alternate site was unacceptable because two individual kitchens is not the same as a two br condo with kitchen. I requested a refund.

Their response was that they had no paperwork concerning the reservation or the payment (but they were willing to make accomodations??? anyway. Also, because of misrepresentations, the M & M people (through Lydia) promised to waive my annual payment for 2009. Amanda was unaware of this also.

I sent Amanda all my confirmation material as well as an email confirming that M & M had agreed to pay my 2009 maintenance (which should be applied to 2010 since the place is not available for use now).


Earlier this week I got another email, this time from Amanda LaRossee, still trying to get me to accept the alternate site. She said she was checking into the 2009 dues.

Tomorrow I intend to call Amanda and find out where I stand on all this.

I'll keep TUG informed
 

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For those of you that actually paid a separate billing or line item for membership in a yacht club discount rental program, which I believe is the minority of the C&C members, most of us just getting it as a freebee tossed into the sales package, which means you got nothing, but for those that paid for that membership (I think that was an option in the early memberships), there is a good chance your money was passed on to the yacht club discount rental outfit, if the following is any indication of how others may fare in this issue, this next paragraph from an Enchantment member that did go out on a yacht when he bought his M-Hotels Enchantment unit, and who is now going out on a boat through the club again:

"I was wondering - were C&C people offered yacht memberships also? I know some people posting on the forums were concerned whether or not these memberships would be honored. Just thought it would be of interest that we contacted dream yachtclub and made reservations for a sailing trip when we go to PV in December. Our contract with the yachtclub was separate
from the Enchantment contract, so if anyone has one, it should be good in any of the locations they serve (Cabo, PV, Cancun, and Acupulco) regardless of the development status of the timeshare projects."

that's all on the yacht package that I can tell you
 

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very encouraging news from call and after visit to C&C

I spoke with Amanda LaRossee on Friday, and even better, a C&C residence club member met her in person on Saturday and went with her to view the Castles and Condos building.

But first a brief note on my conversation with Amanda.

She noted that construction had already begun again, and that the developer (DNG) will likely not take all 10 months to complete the project construction, aiming for a significantly shorter time period, noting that in general a building that is under construction does not bring in any revenue, so it is in DNG's best interest to complete the building as soon as it can.

Amanda noted she would take pictures and provide updates about every two weeks by email to members via the email distribution list she has been building, updating, and using, and that she hoped to take pictures this past weekend (29/30 August 2009)

She also noted that those that have booked reservations at time of purchase and had those reservations at one time confirmed and paid for are again being offerred alternative accomodation, so if this category is you the reader, then Amanda will be contacting you, as will then Resorts Advantage also, but she also pleaded for those that have only requested a reservation but never had it confirmed, and those hoping to request a reservation, need to hold off for awhile until many other higher priorities are first addresed such as contacting all members, addressing contracts and contract changes, resuming construction and getting it moving, etc.

Finally, I have kept this under wraps until at least the first meeting occurred so as not to get false hopes up, but the meeting did occur, so I add this information now and hope to follow it up with more information later this week when the C&C member who visited C&C and Amanda this week has a chance to write a report regarding the visit and any answers that might have been given to the prepared questions brought along.

We have had a C&C member visit PV this past weekend (29 & 30 August 2009) and the person has had a very recently arranged meeting with Amanda LaRosee and has gone to the C&C site also with her (construction definately appeared to have resumed, but no construction was happening on that day, as the weather was extremely windy that day), and the member has taken pictures, and definately a meeting did take place on Saturday for certain, but also the member was expected to go back to the site Sunday (30 Aug) and meet with someone else in DNG or perhaps Keith Thomson or perhaps both who had better knowledge of C&C and could better answer questions (Amanda was not even sure who would represent DNG at this second meeting), the intent being to get more answers to specific questions the member and I have put forward, some questions of which may not be answered and at this time, but hoping at least some of them would be. I will post more about this as soon as I know more about the Sunday meeting, but suffice to say for now that the member has some construction knowledge and was certain from what the person saw that construction at C&C had resumed.

I wish to thank this member on behalf of all of us C&C members for this dedicated person having made a special trip to Puerto Vallarta from another part of Mexico while at the other location on business, having driven in a car to PV, using the weekend that could have been used for personal relaxation or work or a sooner trip home, and I don't think there are many of us that would be willing to drive cross-country in Mexico given the potential for serious problems and personal risk. Thus sincere thanks, and thanks for the good news, related below, and hopefully the Sunday meeting at C&C not yet reported on went well and was informative.

I also add this. A C&C residence club member is soon to launch a private web site for C&C members only, where we can be more connected with information we may not want to be as public about, or want to present more detail on that would be done publically, and that will be announced in the next week or two. Another member was also going to do the same, and hopefully they are talking to each other and we end up with only one web site, and I have passed their information on to each other with their permissions. I will be contacting the members I know of about this web site when it is time to start it up and allow members to register. We also need to first determine how we will insure each member is legitimate.

That's all for now. Report on C&C visit to follow as soon as time permits. Some information may only be provided by private email to those members we know of, so if you are a member but still lurking, contact me at joefaubert at shaw.ca (replace ' at ' with '@')
 

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Bob,

We did tell them that the alternate site was unacceptable because two individual kitchens is not the same as a two br condo with kitchen. I requested a refund.

Their response was that they had no paperwork concerning the reservation or the payment (but they were willing to make accomodations??? anyway. Also, because of misrepresentations, the M & M people (through Lydia) promised to waive my annual payment for 2009. Amanda was unaware of this also.

I sent Amanda all my confirmation material as well as an email confirming that M & M had agreed to pay my 2009 maintenance (which should be applied to 2010 since the place is not available for use now).


Earlier this week I got another email, this time from Amanda LaRossee, still trying to get me to accept the alternate site. She said she was checking into the 2009 dues.

Tomorrow I intend to call Amanda and find out where I stand on all this.

I'll keep TUG informed

I was upbeat a while back because they offered us "comparable accommodations" at Villa Quinta del Mar. It was basically in the same location as C&C with the same type of view. It didn't appear that any units had a kitchen or that the rooms were of similar size as C&C.

The kicker was when we had to purchase the mandatory all inclusive package that would cost $75 per day per person. For our 2 week stay, it would add $2100 on top of the maintenance fees we've already paid for our reservations. We have a couple of problems with that idea because:
1) we purchased a C&C unit with a full kitchen - there's a reason for that.
2) we made our reservations in for Nov 8 - 22 to coincide with the XV Annual Gourmet Food Festival in Puerto Vallarta. Our intentions are to attend several of their food & wine pairings and other events (we did some of this last year and it was great!), so staying at an all-inclusive place makes no sense.
3) we already own an all inclusive timeshare in Vallarta and if we wanted all inclusive for this period we could have gone there
4) Forget that we don't want to fork out more big bucks for something we don't want at this time, our oldest daughter and her husband will be going with us and they can't afford the extra $$, well for that matter, we can't either.

Seminole: When you asked for a refund and DNG requested a receipt - When we first thought that Villa Quinta del Mar would be acceptable (prior to the mandatory all inclusive), they also asked us for a receipt or confirmation number which I provided. Also, as to the rooms with kitchens you were offered, what resort was that?

I was at first reluctant to post any info on our negotiations for the "comparable accommodations" until I had a final resolution but I thought it could benefit anyone else out there in a similar situation.

Also, we, too, were told that the 2009 fees would be waived if we didn't use our weeks. If we used them, we had to pay the maintenance fee.

Will post more as we progress......

Bob

** Follow up to comparable accommodations: Just got off the phone with Amanda a short time ago and it looks like Villa Quinta del Mar is the only resort for the comparable accommodations. I was originally wondering what they could find that would be conquerable to C&C. The all-inclusive element is NOT an option, although she will check further because of our reasons stated above. It looks like any refunds are out since DNG did not receive any of those monies, but she stated they would carry over the amount to the subsequent years until it is used up. An item in our contract states that if C&C cannot find comparable accommodations, they would reimburse us for ALL our travel expenses. I really doubt if that will come through as they can't even reimburse us for the paid in full C&C reservation. We have fully paid airfare for 4 and would lose a fair sum if I hadn't made alternative arrangements with one of our timeshare properties (Grand Mayan). Hope everyone can make their vacations happen!


PS Thanks for the encouraging news, PapaBear!
 
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For those of you that actually paid a separate billing or line item for membership in a yacht club discount rental program, which I believe is the minority of the C&C members, most of us just getting it as a freebee tossed into the sales package, which means you got nothing, but for those that paid for that membership (I think that was an option in the early memberships), there is a good chance your money was passed on to the yacht club discount rental outfit, if the following is any indication of how others may fare in this issue, this next paragraph from an Enchantment member that did go out on a yacht when he bought his M-Hotels Enchantment unit, and who is now going out on a boat through the club again:

"I was wondering - were C&C people offered yacht memberships also? I know some people posting on the forums were concerned whether or not these memberships would be honored. Just thought it would be of interest that we contacted dream yachtclub and made reservations for a sailing trip when we go to PV in December. Our contract with the yachtclub was separate
from the Enchantment contract, so if anyone has one, it should be good in any of the locations they serve (Cabo, PV, Cancun, and Acupulco) regardless of the development status of the timeshare projects."

that's all on the yacht package that I can tell you

We also got the Dreams Yacht Club Membership and a comlimentary sunset sail in PV back in November - we did not pay extra for the yacht club membership. In late December, we got an email from the Dreams Yacht Club with a bill for our annual mf ($276) with them. We paid these in January and are planning to book a boating trip in November when we are in Cabo. I have been in contact with them via email as recently as last week.
 
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We are an owner at CandC. Deal just with Sylvia. Busby owns the property. We went on the yacht and had alternative accommodations when we went down. The Mann group was a scam and ripped off Busby, but the owner Busby is making it right. Questions...I will see if I can help. We were down there a couple of months ago. bonniegprice@yahoo.com
 
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The Villa Del Mar does not have a kitchen for you to cook in, but the staff and food is 5 star. Perfect view.
 
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