Free Fixed Week Conversions?

[bnoble]

Thanks! Also, the person you transfer it to can *also* un-convert the week (again, assuming the contract reads the same way). So a converted week is at least as good as an uncoverted one.

 

[Braindead]

I called based on thread. After agent understood what I was calling about, she started giving the positive points about converting.

You mentioned that the conversion of your week might involve CWA.
Is it your understanding that you would trade your week for CWA points?
If it’s a trade for CWA points the fixed or float week will now be owned by CWA.

 

[HitchHiker71]

For a 49,000 point purchase, I can enroll one additional PIC. So for about $12,000, I could get platinum (I'm gold now), assuming I do it before the change. Gold has cost me a total of $35k. One purchase in 2008 and another in 2018. So for a total of $47k, I have Platinum. Many newer platinum owners spent well over $100k for Platnium. If they allowed me to enroll a fourth (we are still dreaming right?), then I could get to Founders for less then $17k, with a total in cost of $52k. How many people do you think would that tick off?

This aligns with one of the suggestions for Privileges that we submitted. Allow for existing VIP owners to obtain additional PICs as a method of leveling up. Something like this:

1 PICs = VIPS
2 PICs = VIPG
3 PICS = VIPP

Under Privileges:

0 PICS = Advantage
1 PICS = Champion
2 PICS = Ambassador
3 PICs = Legend
4 PICS = Founders

The maximum of 2 PICs today would stay in force for the initial purchase - meaning you could not go out and acquire 4 PICs and go right to Founders. The entitlement for the additional PIC comes with each obtained level. So once you obtain VIPG - you could then make an additional purchase with a PIC to get to VIPP. Same with Privileges. We wrote this out in more detail during our submission process - but that's the gist.

Not saying they would go for something like this, but we're dreaming right?

 

[stevenh21]

You mentioned that the conversion of your week might involve CWA.
Is it your understanding that you would trade your week for CWA points?
If it’s a trade for CWA points the fixed or float week will now be owned by CWA.

I just looked at offer details, it says Club Wyndham Points, then says Club Wyndham Plus

 

[bnoble]

I called the number on the linked site; was told that it was a targeted offer--need an email from them about it. I will call back later and try again.

I called again today, and the rep opened a case for me. I should hear back from sales/owner care during the upcoming week.

I think the problem in my earlier call was that (a) I did not have the Wyndham contract #s in hand for the KBV weeks and (b) the phone # I gave was associated with my already-converted Sea Gardens week, but *not* the Kauai weeks. When the original CS rep looked that up, she saw the converted fixed week, not the others, and figured I didn't know what I was asking about. Today's customer service rep had to try a couple of different phone #s to find the KBV contract. But, once she located it, she was able to start the case.

She did originally think it was only for fixed weeks, and not floats, but when I read the text of the site to her she went forward with opening the case.

 

[stevenh21]

You mentioned that the conversion of your week might involve CWA.
Is it your understanding that you would trade your week for CWA points?
If it’s a trade for CWA points the fixed or float week will now be owned by CWA.

CSR from conversions called this afternoon just to touch base and begin process. I was hoping it was CWS. He mentioned it was Access, CWA. Does CWA allow ARP into your original unit, or just to the underlying resort? I have read differing opinions on this. Part of the offer reads, "Guaranteed Access to Your Home Resort – You’ll still have guaranteed access to the resort you know and love, in the same suite you're accustomed to when booking during your Advance Reservation Priority booking window." Any thoughts on this. Does the offer work with current rules for CWA, or is it describing CWS, Select?

 

[Eric B]

They could write the contract any way they want, IMHO. I have a small CWA contract that came with ARP for Old Town. That might be okay if it's a higher MF week you're converting, but you should verify that the only change to your cost is the program fee being added.

 

[kaljor]

CSR from conversions called this afternoon just to touch base and begin process. I was hoping it was CWS. He mentioned it was Access, CWA. Does CWA allow ARP into your original unit, or just to the underlying resort? I have read differing opinions on this.

One of my contracts is a converted fixed week which I bought resale. I've only ever had ARP rights to the underlying week and unit. I just checked this again and it's still true. I cannot make a reservation there in the 13 to 10 month period. My contract shows as "Club Wyndham Select"

I guess it's possible that under this new offer, the week could be exchanged for CWA points, but if you're considering it make sure you know for certain which system you'll be under if it matters to you.

 

[Roger830]

I cannot make a reservation there in the 13 to 10 month period.

Don't you mean "I CAN make a reservation....?"

Are you automatically assigned your specific unit?

I was told at Sea Gardens than I'm not entitled to the deeded unit only the week.

In the past, I have gotten my unit by telephone request to the resort.

 

[stevenh21]

One of my contracts is a converted fixed week which I bought resale. I've only ever had ARP rights to the underlying week and unit. I just checked this again and it's still true. I cannot make a reservation there in the 13 to 10 month period. My contract shows as "Club Wyndham Select"

I guess it's possible that under this new offer, the week could be exchanged for CWA points, but if you're considering it make sure you know for certain which system you'll be under if it matters to you.

I'm not sure if it makes a difference. Have never been part of a points system. I have a feeling that CWS may be better. Have been reading on TUG and Wyndham to get info. I'm hoping both weeks are eligible, to have more use. Also, that one might be coded as a developer week.

 

[stevenh21]

Had a long conversation with the Wyndham rep today.

-The conversion should only take about 10-14 days.
-All weeks at an eligible resort are convertible.
-The points will be VIP eligible only if the week is coded as a developer sale/purchase.
-There is no cost to this conversion. Only additional annual cost will be the program fee.
-Once the contract is converted and is listed in your points account, you should be able to reserve the specific week and unit you own during the 10-13 month ARP period for the next year. (This was very important to me as the weeks I own are specific units with a floor and view I would not be willing to give up permanently).

It appears the conversions will be revenue neutral to Wyndham. The long term strategy looks to take owners who are 'weeks only' and gives them a entrance into the points program and they will then look to sell new points to those owners. And of course for developer points, the VIP levels will be the 'hook'.

Paperwork is being assembled using Docusign for the weeks I wanted to convert.

Remember, if you pay monthly, MF's for points are paid throughout the current year of the points. For converted weeks, they collect the MF's in advance for the next year. So even though I have paid this years MF's, I will expect to see an increase in my monthly payment right away to start collecting 2021 dollars now.

Is your paperwork going to be for conversion to CWA (Access) or CWS (Select)? My conversation with an agent had CWA mentioned. CWS used to be the normal weeks conversion.

 

[bnoble]

I had an early conversation with the sales agent. I asked about CWA vs. CWS; he confirmed it was CWS, that ARP was only at that resort, and that the conversion could be undone without cost on the UY boundary. He also confirmed that once the documents were signed it would only take on the order of days to get the points added/set up. At first he said UDI, but when asked he later amended that to "floating weeks look a lot like UDI when converted."

We had a hard time confirming the actual weeks and I did not have the member number in hand, so I have to circle back before the paperwork will be drawn up. I will let y'all know when that happens.

It is entirely possible that not every agent understands the subtleties of each of the various products. However, the biggest tell that this is not CWA to me is that it only takes days to set up. If the conversion were to CWA, you'd have to convey the underlying deed to the Trust, and I would think that would take more than days to accomplish.

 

[Pathways]

Is your paperwork going to be for conversion to CWA (Access) or CWS (Select)? My conversation with an agent had CWA mentioned. CWS used to be the normal weeks conversion.

I have no progress to report yet. They have emailed me twice saying they are still 'working on it'

 

[regatta333]

They have told me that only fixed weeks are eligible, not floating weeks. Has anyone heard differently?

 

[CCdad]

They have told me that only fixed weeks are eligible, not floating weeks. Has anyone heard differently?

As others have indicated, not everyone in Owner Care is up to speed on eligibility for this program.

The original Wyndham Destinations web site link indicated that both fixed and floating weeks are eligible under certain circumstances.

If you received a direct email offer from Wyndham about converting your “floating” fixed week, then it’s eligible.

Otherwise Wyndham will not convert them for “free” during this offer period. The offer is being sent to specific owners, but no one knows the exact criteria Wyndham used in choosing the eligible owners.


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[regatta333]

The other thing I was told was that the weeks were converted to CWA points. If that is the case, I don't see how they can guarantee you access to your week and unit at the 13-month mark. At that point, are you competing with all other CWA members for access to that week?

 

[stevenh21]

I have posted a few times on this thread. CWA was mentioned by Owner Care rep in early phone call. I read as much as possible on TUG and decided that CWS would be best for me, mainly due to the my maintenance fees being about $1 less per 1K points than CWS maintenance fee. I emailed rep my thoughts on this.

"XXXX, Thanks for your note. I have been reading about Club Wyndham Plus the past week. I think that CWS meets our needs better than CWA. I am hoping this conversion can be Club Wyndham Select. I also hope that both weeks can be converted to be of more efficient use."

I received a note back that made things a little more confusing.

"I am working diligently to see if we can convert both of your contracts. I just have to receive some documents from both resorts first.
As to your request to convert to CWS, at this time, we are only offering CWP. I hope this doesn’t deter you from converting.
Please let me know your questions or concerns."

Confusing in that CWP is not its own program. I replied:

"Hi xxxx,
I didn't hear from you Tuesday, so I thought I would try to clarify our last discussion of Club Wyndham Plus, Select and Access. Plus was the carry over name from the Fairfield days of FairShare Plus. This was weeks converted to points with the underlying week and resort being your home resort. This is what became Wyndham Plus. According to the 2018-19 Club Wyndham Plus Members' Directory Select and Access are both part of Plus. Select, CWS, is the week/points product and is the new name for what used to be Wyndham Plus. Access, CWA, is strictly points with underlying weeks all pooled together and owned by the trust.

With all that I hope we are basically thinking alike without knowing it. You stated the offer was for CWP, but CWS and CWA are both under the CWP umbrella. If the offer is for weeks converted to points, with ARP only being to that week/resort and having nothing to do with CW Access, then we are on the same page."

Owner Care rep replied:

"My apologies for not getting back to sooner. You are correct, CWP is the umbrella for CWA and CWS. We would be converting your Fixed Week to CWA, which would give you access to over 60 resorts to book 13 months in advance."

So around it goes, CWP thrown in for confusion, and we're back to CWA. I don't see how the original offer fits into CWA. It sounds more like CWS to me. Anyone's thoughts on this?

The few of us who are going through this conversion process don't seem to be making much progress.

 

[TjTraveler]

They seem to want more inventory for CWA.

 

[paxsarah]

It seems fairly misleading (or at least confusing) for them to call this a fixed week conversion, if what they're really doing is trading in the fixed week deed for a CWA contract. "Converted fixed week" has a very specific meaning and it simply adds layers of confusion for them to say they're converting the fixed weeks when what they're really doing is trading them in (I'd use the word "exchange" but that also has a very specific and different meaning in this world). It might still be a decent deal for someone with an off-prime week, but many of the remaining prime fixed week owners still want the option to use the underlying week, and/or at prime points it would probably be a better MF rate than CWA.

 

[dgalati]

It seems fairly misleading (or at least confusing) for them to call this a fixed week conversion, if what they're really doing is trading in the fixed week deed for a CWA contract. "Converted fixed week" has a very specific meaning and it simply adds layers of confusion for them to say they're converting the fixed weeks when what they're really doing is trading them in (I'd use the word "exchange" but that also has a very specific and different meaning in this world). It might still be a decent deal for someone with an off-prime week, but many of the remaining prime fixed week owners still want the option to use the underlying week, and/or at prime points it would probably be a better MF rate than CWA.

Very similar stategy as a trader of deeds. I would consider this the flipping of deeds.

 

[dgalati]

Free conversion for who's benefit is the question.

 

[bnoble]

It’s also entirely possible that the person on the other end of that email doesn’t understand the subtle differences between the programs or what the contract actually says. The confusion of the umbrella term (CWP) vs the Individual programs (CWA,CWP) make that at least plausible.

 

[dgalati]

It’s also entirely possible that the person on the other end of that email doesn’t understand the subtle differences between the programs or what the contract actually says. The confusion of the umbrella term (CWP) vs the Individual programs (CWA,CWP) make that at least plausible.

The confusion is part of the strategy.

 

[overthehill]

Not jealousy, as not pissed at those who get it, pissed at wyndham for again devaluing something that was paid for.

Couldn't agree more, The value of our WorldMark Credits continues to lose value (ever since Wyndham bought Trendwest) with every new program Wyndham offers. We are down sizing our WorldMark ownership and using Home Away to book our vacations because we can confirm the location and the dates we want. My question is, What sense does it make to pay a timeshare company a lot of money up front to book a future vacation which can be accomplished using VRBO or Home Away without paying a hugh upfront fee to a timeshare company?

 

[Travelkat]

Just noticed the announcement of a special program to allow conversion of fixed weeks to points for "free". If anyone is interested in pursing this, I would love to hear if it's actually true.

They're calling the program "From Fixed To Flexible". I accidentally found the announcement on the new website when searching for "covid" as was suggested in another thread.

NOW THROUGH AUGUST 31, 2020

All conversion fees and incremental purchase requirements will be waived, so you can turn your fixed week into Club Wyndham points without paying the conversion fee — giving you more flexibility for future vacations. Please see the Offer Details below for eligibility requirements and additional information.*
When you convert your fixed week to Club Wyndham points, you can have the best of both worlds. When the time is right to travel again, you’ll have guaranteed access to your home resort during the Advance Reservation Priority booking window so you can enjoy your favorite vacation destination, plus access to 220+ additional resorts for a new adventure.

I am wondering if the amount of points that you have to use for a reservation will increase once you convert to the Club system. I currently own both and I notice it takes a lot more points for the same reservation on Club Wyndham. Any thoughts?