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Do we have a right to owners' roster?

rickandcindy23 said:
We are not going to give the owners' names and addresses/phone numbers to any member because a state legislator talked with the head attorney for the state legislature's legal staff, and he said that giving out owners' information could put us at risk due to divorce, child custody, etc.

How ridiculous is that? Why did this little matter go to the head attorney for the state legislature's legal staff, you ask? Because one of the board members knows somebody.

So I guess all of you that want to be kept private in Colorado will have the head attorney for the state legislature's legal staff behind you. The only problem is that someday, you might be disgusted with something the board has done that in your opinion is not in your best interest, and many others might be feeling the same way as you, but you will be a lone voice because you cannot have an owners' list to contact others.

My husband and I have felt just that way this past year. It isn't a good feeling. I will not be able to affect much change in my short stint as a board member. I disagree with this decision and will let that be known in some mild way, but I will not put myself in a position that will keep them from sending me information or inviting me to meetings. They could do that, I am sure. If I am not re-elected in two years, Rick and I will sell our weeks at this resort. That is enough said, I guess.

I find it interesting to see the mention of "divorce and child custody" specifically, don't you? I wonder what some of the divorce/child support groups (and their lawyers) would make of that....

Hate to say this, but this kind of issue (not being able to contact other owners) might well discourage TS ownership altogether in the future. I don't suppose you could interest a local (as in, where the TS is) reporter in such a story, could you? Freedom of information, and all....
 
Maybe a reporter will jump all over this story, but I am not reporting it to anyone

I am on the board. :eek:

I am at a loss as to what should be done next. I really am not going to make waves. It just seems like common sense to me, but the majority rules and the law is supposed to be the utmost authority over common sense. You would think the law would support common sense. ;)

I did read all of the Worldmark posts on this thread and thought it interesting that some timeshare owners really do not want others to have their information. (I never thought anyone was hi-jacking the thread) What would be the worst a person could do? I would really like to know your thoughts because the board member/ owner at my resort that really opposed this was worried about identity theft. You cannot steal identity with a phone number and address.

This refusal to release this information reminded my husband of a company keeping employees from unionizing. At least employees know each other from work. How do we organize a large group of owners without names? I guess you could go to the resort every week and post notes on the timeshare owners' doors with your name and phone number. I actually thought of doing that last year.

I am on the board and still have no say. :(
 
rickandcindy23 said:
I did read all of the Worldmark posts on this thread and thought it interesting that some timeshare owners really do not want others to have their information. (I never thought anyone was hi-jacking the thread) What would be the worst a person could do? I would really like to know your thoughts because the board member/ owner at my resort that really opposed this was worried about identity theft. You cannot steal identity with a phone number and address.

Yes, sorry our petty stuff had to invade your important thread. As someone pointed out earlier, here, if that's all you needed for identity theft (name, address, phone #), phone books would have been outlawed.

rickandcindy23 said:
This refusal to release this information reminded my husband of a company keeping employees from unionizing.

Very good analogy, it is most definitely a similar issue especially in the case of the vacation "club" type timeshares as the developer wants to maintain complete control of the club, by all means necessary. In the case of a fractional/deeded timeshare, it seems it would be easier to obtain such information through public records.

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Another analogy for you: Going to "the head attorney for the state legislature's legal staff" for a timeshare owner issue is like going to a surgeon for a broken fingernail. :D That just shows how ridiculous this board has become over a simple request.

I thought the Worldmark discussion was fascinating. I guess some people really are concerned over privacy. I am not. I buy things with my CC's on the internet and do my banking on the web. I do not lose sleep over the thought that someone may be seeing my information. Some people will never use the internet that way and it is their loss because it is so much more convenient than buying stamps. Paranoia is the only word for it.
 
rickandcindy23 said:
I guess some people really are concerned over privacy. I am not. I buy things with my CC's on the internet and do my banking on the web. I do not lose sleep over the thought that someone may be seeing my information. Some people will never use the internet that way and it is their loss because it is so much more convenient than buying stamps. Paranoia is the only word for it.

I wouldn't call it paranoia, necessarily. A lot of people resist banking online because computers are an "out of sight, out of mind" person's nightmare. They want to have that paper statement. I know people who can go weeks without answering emails and think nothing of it, because they don't turn on their computers. In a power outage, your computer doesn't work, either. And, perhaps the banks do save money with online banking, but if they're not passing the savings on to me, why should I do them any favors?

As for buying stamps, you can buy them at the grocery stores now (sometimes even at a discount--the store is paying full price to the USPS). I don't see the internet as necessarily more convenient--anything other than books or similar items, and I'd rather talk to a live person who can answer questions--email support is very questionable at times (although when you call an 800 number, your number is given to that party). I am not that fond of internet banking--the promise was that it is instantaneous, so in theory you should be able to wait until 11:59 pm of the very last day to email/authorize your payment, and yet the banks/CC companies STILL want it 5 days in advance when you look at the fine print, so how is this "better" than mailing it off?

But, to bring this back to the supposed privacy issues, if you were an ex-spouse (of either sex here) with primary custody of the children, you and those children would be entitled to know what and where all those assets are, and especially if you live in a community property state (regardless of what state the assets are in). It would be very interesting to see a case where "so and so heard that spouse had a TS in wherever" and a resort was named in a lawsuit for not complying with a simple request to verify ownership.... What is the resort's policy in that type of case, by the way?
 
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rickandcindy23 said:
Paranoia is the only word for it.

Cindy,

True - paranoia is definitely one word for it, but another word I think of is misinformed. Our media likes to go overboard on subjects if they think it will help sell their broadcasts, newspapers, magazines, or whatever media they're in. It's all about ratings and circulation.

Unfortunately, there is a HUGE number of individuals (usually in older age brackets) who read or see a report about identity theft and they buy it hook line and sinker, even if the reporting isn't exactly 100% accurate. A good example of this media over-hype is the Norovirus reports that flooded the airwaves in the past few years if a cruise ship encountered an outbreak during a cruise. Even the CDC website states that you're more likely to catch it on land than on a cruise ship, but the media just loves to have their "breaking news" and nothing stops them from misinforming their viewers.

Same goes for right to privacy issues. Some of those who are misinformed about identity theft are also being extremely insistent on having their privacy protected. And organizations with much at stake are erring on the side of caution when they set up restrictions on releasing information. And it doesn't seem to matter whether it's right or wrong, it seems to me to be based on who the squeakies wheel is and who is most likely to take legal action.

In this wonderfully sue-happy country, it's not always the majority in the driver's seat. (Note: Don't even get me started on the issues surrounding "political correctness".)

:D
 
OT blush

Oh POOH! Are you sure I can't get you started on the issues surrounding "pc"? rolf

Remember that email etiquette thing I sent you a couple of years ago? I wish I still had it, it sums up the probs of internet communication so well. :)
 
ngray said:
Remember that email etiquette thing I sent you a couple of years ago?

You really don't expect me to remember something mailed to me more than 5 minutes ago, do you?

And, do you REALLY expect me to pay any attention to internet etiquette? Come on, get real.

:D

Okay, stay focused on the thread. Repeat after me:

Stay in the thread, Grasshopper. Stay in the thread, Grasshopper.......
 
normbailey said:
:D

Okay, stay focused on the thread. Repeat after me:

Stay in the thread, Grasshopper. Stay in the thread, Grasshopper.......
Yes yes, I have it now........the Grasshopper, the Grasshopper, stay focussed on the Grasshopper.
Yeah it works! :)
 
I am still not ready to watch this thread go away.

So I am going to bump it to the top.

What I dislike about HOA boards is that they sit above the rest, all high and mighty, and keep information from the peons. Now I am on the board at the timeshare that I have the most issues with (we own at five different resorts now), and I am still unable to affect change.

They looked just a little too hard to find an attorney that would say not to give an owners' roster to anyone. It is just common sense that owners should be able to have contact.
 
OT again, I found it grasshopper!

normbailey said:
You really don't expect me to remember something mailed to me more than 5 minutes ago, do you?

And, do you REALLY expect me to pay any attention to internet etiquette? Come on, get real.

:D

Okay, stay focused on the thread. Repeat after me:

Stay in the thread, Grasshopper. Stay in the thread, Grasshopper.......
Hee hee I found it........
 
Cindy

rickandcindy23 said:
So I am going to bump it to the top.

What I dislike about HOA boards is that they sit above the rest, all high and mighty, and keep information from the peons. Now I am on the board at the timeshare that I have the most issues with (we own at five different resorts now), and I am still unable to affect change.

They looked just a little too hard to find an attorney that would say not to give an owners' roster to anyone. It is just common sense that owners should be able to have contact.
I certainly agree with you in principle; that we should be able to have contact.
What happens is it causes those who want to contact other owners to feel like there is a sinister plot. In the case of WorldMark owners and TW, it seems there is no way!
Someone asked about putting a flyer or a blurb in the Destinations, the club magazine, paid for in part by the owners and the RC owners and it would still cost a lot and of course it would be subject to editing.
Seems like to reach the owners with election issues is a dead end everywhere we turn, except to legal action. Then as you say, they have the better lawyers.
It is very frustrating. I can't see the harm in notifying owners, one way or another.........that they can have greater participation in the club. As it stands it appears that TW does not want us to. :(
 
rickandcindy23 said:
So I am going to bump it to the top.

What I dislike about HOA boards is that they sit above the rest, all high and mighty, and keep information from the peons. Now I am on the board at the timeshare that I have the most issues with (we own at five different resorts now), and I am still unable to affect change.

They looked just a little too hard to find an attorney that would say not to give an owners' roster to anyone. It is just common sense that owners should be able to have contact.

RickandCindy,

I have a math and engineering background. I love to go straight to the source.

Disclaimer: Keep in mind that I have no legal training and am not qualified to make any legal direction...but I can read :). These statutes are not rocket science.

The following Colorado law is found under the Colorado non-profit Title 7 (Corporations and Associations) Non-Profit Corporations Article 136.

Here's a URL for those who may think that I've made this up :) Colorado Statutes

Code:
7-136-102. Inspection of corporate records by members.
Statute text
(1) A member is entitled to inspect and copy, during regular business hours
at the nonprofit corporation's principal office, any of the records of the
nonprofit corporation described in section 7-136-101 (5) if the member gives
the nonprofit corporation written demand at least five business days before
the date on which the member wishes to inspect and copy such records.

(2) Pursuant to subsection (5) of this section, a member is entitled to
inspect and copy, during regular business hours at a reasonable location
stated by the nonprofit corporation, any of the other records of the nonprofit
corporation if the member meets the requirements of subsection (3) of this
section and gives the nonprofit corporation written demand at least five
business days before the date on which the member wishes to inspect and
copy such records.

(3) A member may inspect and copy the records described in subsection (2)
of this section only if:

(a) The member has been a member for at least three months immediately
preceding the demand to inspect or copy or is a member holding at least five
percent of the voting power as of the date the demand is made;

(b) The demand is made in good faith and for a proper purpose;

(c) The member describes with reasonable particularity the purpose and the
records the member desires to inspect; and

(d) The records are directly connected with the described purpose.

(4) For purposes of this section:

(a) "Member" includes a beneficial owner whose membership interest is held in
a voting trust and any other beneficial owner of a membership interest who
establishes beneficial ownership.

(b) "Proper purpose" means a purpose reasonably related to the demanding
member's interest as a member.

(5) The right of inspection granted by this section may not be abolished or
limited by the articles of incorporation or bylaws.

Since this references 7-136-101 I've copied it below:

Code:
7-136-101. Corporate records.
Statute text
(1) A nonprofit corporation shall keep as permanent records minutes of all
meetings of its members and board of directors, a record of all actions taken
by the members or board of directors without a meeting, a record of all
actions taken by a committee of the board of directors in place of the board
of directors on behalf of the nonprofit corporation, and a record of all waivers
of notices of meetings of members and of the board of directors or any
committee of the board of directors.

(2) A nonprofit corporation shall maintain appropriate accounting records.

(3) A nonprofit corporation or its agent shall maintain a record of its members
in a form that permits preparation of a list of the name and address of all
members in alphabetical order, by class, showing the number of votes each
member is entitled to vote.

(4) A nonprofit corporation shall maintain its records in written form or in
another form capable of conversion into written form within a reasonable time.

(5) A nonprofit corporation shall keep a copy of each of the following records
at its principal office:

(a) Its articles of incorporation;

(b) Its bylaws;

(c) Resolutions adopted by its board of directors relating to the
characteristics, qualifications, rights, limitations, and obligations of members
or any class or category of members;

(d) The minutes of all members' meetings, and records of all action taken by
members without a meeting, for the past three years;

(e) All written communications within the past three years to members
generally as members;

(f) A list of the names and business or home addresses of its current
directors and officers;

(g) A copy of its most recent annual report pursuant to part 5 of article 90 of
this title; and

(h) All financial statements prepared for periods ending during the last three
years that a member could have requested under section 7-136-106.

If you notice, 7-136-102 (1) provides a member the right to obtain the records described by 7-136-101 (5). While it's true that the member list is not contained within 7-136-101 (5), 7-136-102 (2) provides a member access to any of the other records described in the entire section of 7-136-101, if they meet the requirements of 7-136-102 (3).

7-136-102 (3) simply says that the member must have been a member for at least 3 months;the demand is in good faith for a proper purpose;the member describes the reason for inspection; and finally that the records are directly connected to the purpose described by the member.

Most people who carefully read these statues would come to the conclusion that the corporation is supposed to provide the member list to a requesting member who meets the criteria. The statute doesn't suggest that if a corporation is concerned with privacy they can withhold the member list.

Also, notice that the statute specifically states that the corporation may not limit or abolish these rights in their bylaws...in other words, even if this right isn't contained in the bylaws, the corporation must abide by the state statutes.

I am personally going to continue to pursue this matter. It's my right as a member of a non-profit corporation.

If you feel strongly about this, perhaps you should ask for your own legal advice.


--Jay
 
Jay -

I am not an attorney, so take the following for what it's worth, perhaps nothing more than my personal experience.

Most states have laws that are similar to the ones you quote. The laws seem clear, but they aren't. One apparent sticking point in most states, including Colorado, is the requirement that "The demand [be] made in good faith and for a proper purpose".

Those who would like to copy membership (owner) lists believe it is obvious that making a copy to enable the member to communicate with other members is for a "proper purpose". However, those (e.g., the BOD or the management company, supported by legal counsel) who would prefer to keep membership lists private have a number of legal arguments on their side that might sway a court.

It's not a slam-dunk for either side. A court must hear arguments from both sides and those arguments, especially from the BOD/Management company side, may differ in every case.

I have been through this issue twice - once on each side of the issue. Once, practicing as a CPA, I was a financial advisor to a member. The other time I was on a BOD.

I can assure you that the legal waters are so muddy that pursuing this can be an expensive venture, with no assurance of victory. You could be forced to pay many thousands of dollars to attorneys for research, filings, responses, depositions, motions, responses to motions, pre-trial conferences, court time, etc. If you don't spend that money, you'll have no chance, because the other side will, knowing that it doesn't cost them anything, since their costs will ultimately be borne by all owners through higher maintenance fees. Whether attorneys’ fees would be awarded if you win probably depends on state law and/or whether the court determines they should be awarded.

Thus, your best bet might well be to ask your attorney whether efforts should be geared toward an arbitration hearing, rather than a trial. It might still be expensive. Note that the other side might not agree to arbitration if they believe they can win by forcing you to spend more money that you don't have for legal help.

Again, I am not an attorney. Thus, you should start with a visit with an attorney, outlining the issue and what you want. Ask about costs and the likelihood of victory. Take a copy of my post and ask about some of my comments, especially any that might seem to you to be off the wall.

Only then can you really decide whether this is worth pursuing.
 
Dave,

The law is pretty clear. Whether or not rulings follow the law is another matter.

There are only four requirements that I must meet in order to, by law, obtain the member list. These criteria are not contested by WorldMark. Here's how I have met the criteria:

  • I am a member of WorldMark, and had been for more than 3 months prior to my request. WorldMark makes no argument against this.
  • Part 1: Good faith = honesty without deception. There is no argument against good faith being made by WorldMark.
    Part 2: Proper purpose : I am seeking to open channels of communication that are outside of those provided by management. It is obvious why this would potentially be desirable to a large number of owners. While WorldMark could make the argument that mine is not a proper purpose, they have not made such an argument.
  • I have specified the specific purpose for which I desire the records and the method that I intend to use to accomplish the specific purpose.
  • The records that I have requested are required to accomplish the purpose that I have outlined.

WorldMark has not made any argument which the statute would consider as valid reasons to deny my request. Instead they claim the right to withhold the list based upon the need for privacy of owners. Privacy is not considered in the statute regarding the obligation of the non-profit corporation to provide access to these records. If privacy superceded the member's rights to obtain the records, then no member would ever have the right to inspect and/or copy these records and there would be no reason for the statute or the bylaw.

In fact they specifically said that they have never provided the list to requesting members and that there have been a large number of such requests. Apparently, in the case of WorldMark management, they don't consider that there is any reason which would compel them to provide access to the list.


JMO

--Jay
 
I'm not going to debate the issue, Jay. I'm a neutral party.

However, I do suggest that you visit with an attorney to learn why the law is not as clearly in your favor as you seem to believe.
 
Dave M said:
I'm not going to debate the issue, Jay. I'm a neutral party.

However, I do suggest that you visit with an attorney to learn why the law is not as clearly in your favor as you seem to believe.

Sorry Dave, it sounded like you were debating the issue with me :)

I have already posted on this thread that I have an ongoing legal action against WorldMark. I am actively working with a very experienced attorney who also feels that I have a clear right to obtain the owner's list.

--Jay
 
Is there a class-action lawsuit concerning this issue, Jay?

It seems that many Worldmark owners are unhappy with the developer and want a list of owners. What would you do with the list, anyway?

In the case of our resort, the owner that is requesting this list probably wants to contact specific owners to buy units, or something along those lines. I don't think the owner has any evil intent to sell anything. Even if this owner chooses to mail to all of the owners, there would be less than 1,000 total, which would only be $390.00 in postage maximum.
 
Dave M said:
Jay -

Those who would like to copy membership (owner) lists believe it is obvious that making a copy to enable the member to communicate with other members is for a "proper purpose". However, those (e.g., the BOD or the management company, supported by legal counsel) who would prefer to keep membership lists private have a number of legal arguments on their side that might sway a court.

It's not a slam-dunk for either side. A court must hear arguments from both sides and those arguments, especially from the BOD/Management company side, may differ in every case.

I have been through this issue twice - once on each side of the issue. Once, practicing as a CPA, I was a financial advisor to a member. The other time I was on a BOD.

I can assure you that the legal waters are so muddy that pursuing this can be an expensive venture, with no assurance of victory. You could be forced to pay many thousands of dollars to attorneys for research, filings, responses, depositions, motions, responses to motions, pre-trial conferences, court time, etc. If you don't spend that money, you'll have no chance, because the other side will, knowing that it doesn't cost them anything, since their costs will ultimately be borne by all owners through higher maintenance fees. Whether attorneys’ fees would be awarded if you win probably depends on state law and/or whether the court determines they should be awarded.

But wouldn't the HOA have to put this sort of issue (whether to fight the list or not in court) to the owners to vote on? This is the sort of thing that causes hard feelings in other PUDs. For example, someone paints their house a different color than what is *approved*, and someone else demands that the CC&Rs be enforced by the HOA. But when it comes down to it, the BOD finds out that most people really don't care all that much (perhaps they are second or third owners down the line), certainly not enough to go to court over it, so it doesn't get done.

I mean, I would not want to be paying legal fees as part of an assessment, special or otherwise, without knowing exactly why. Don't notices of lawsuits have to be communicated to all owners, and a course of action voted on?
 
Gadabout said:
But wouldn't the HOA have to put this sort of issue (whether to fight the list or not in court) to the owners to vote on?
Generally not. Take a look at the bylaws and other legal documents for your timeshares. You'll see that the BOD is given broad authority to make decisions for the owners. There are very few situations outlined in most such documents that require the BOD to obtain a vote of the owners.

The types of actions that require a vote are very often only those that are specified in state law. As an example, suppose you own a timeshare in a 20-story Massachusetts oceanfront tower. Assume the timeshare owners all pay the same annual maintenance fee, based on a table or specific wording in those documents. Now assume that the BOD proposes changing the fee ratio to a sliding scale so that penthouse level owners pay the highest fees and ground floor owners pay the lowest fees. Such a change would typically require an owner vote that, depending on the documents and state law, might require 2/3, 3/4 or 100% of owners approving the measure. In Massachusetts, such ratio could not be changed without a 100% favorable vote of those voting, with at least 80% of the owners actually casting a vote. Thus, effectively, such a ratio could never be changed, because those who would pay higher fees would vote against the proposal.
 
Dave M said:
Such a change would typically require an owner vote that, depending on the documents and state law, might require 2/3, 3/4 or 100% of owners approving the measure. In Massachusetts, such ratio could not be changed without a 100% favorable vote of those voting, with at least 80% of the owners actually casting a vote. Thus, effectively, such a ratio could never be changed, because those who would pay higher fees would vote against the proposal.

In Washington State we have a tendency to keep counting until the votes result in a win for the stronger party. That's how our governor got elected.

;)

Okay, kidding aside, what's your take on the sentence preceding the one you answered - where Gadabout mentioned something about an assessment being levied to cover the legal costs incurred.

"I mean, I would not want to be paying legal fees as part of an assessment, special or otherwise, without knowing exactly why."

Is this something that could happen, or is likely to happen, as a result of a lawsuit against a timeshare company or club?
 
Absolutely.

As a comparable example, I am on the BOD of my 150-unit condo association. We routinely – but fortunately, not very often - have to decide how to defend, pursue, negotiate or otherwise handle various legal matters, ranging from collection of delinquent assessments to defending a suit for damage that an owner believes the HOA should cover to (etc.). And, yes, an action similar to the one discussed in this thread has come before the BOD for handling.

We discuss in general terms at our annual owners' meeting significant legal matters, but that's it. Any decisions as to how to handle such matters are decided by the BOD, in accordance with our authority, which is common for timeshares and other HOAs. We, as owners, don’t want to pay unnecessary costs any more than other owners do. We have to make tough decisions and we do so to the best of our ability.

Some legal costs, such as for collection matters, are passed on to the specific affected owner. But other costs are part of the routine expenses that are covered by the annual assessment. Keep in mind that in a sold-out resort, the developer may not be involved at all and certainly doesn’t subsidize any expenses. Thus, the only source of funds to pay legal expenses is the maintenance fees that we pay.

Although it might appear to be a simple matter to get a vote from the owners on how to handle legal matters, it's not. In order to vote intelligently, an owner would need info from the BOD as to not only the reasons for the BOD's recommendation, but also the strengths and weaknesses of the case. Those arguments, especially the perceived weaknesses, would quickly find their way from the memo to owners into the hands of the opposing side in the legal matter, potentially destroying any chance at winning.

Although, there are often posts on these forums suggesting that the BOD “must” get a vote from the owners on a particular matter, the resort's legal documents are almost always written in such a manner that such a vote is rarely required. Keep in mind that developers and their legal advisors are the people that drafted such documents. The developer doesn't want interference in management while still selling units and, if the developer were retained as the management company after the resort is sold out, such interference would still be unwelcome. Thus, it's pretty easy to see why a resort's legal documents are written as they are.

Edited to add that occasionally the language of HOA legal documents is determined to be in conflict with state law or public policy. But don't get your hopes up if you see a provision you don't like and that you believe to be unfair. Such rulings - against the HOA on the wording of such documents - don't happen very often.
 
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In the case of WorldMark, the bylaws specifically state that club can recover the costs associated with lawsuits by means of a special assessment. A special assessment for lawsuit costs would be the first special assessment in the history of WorldMark. I suspect that would get the attention of the owners, although probably not in the most favorable light.
 
cotraveller said:
I suspect that would get the attention of the owners, although probably not in the most favorable light.

Until now I had only been mildly attentive to this thread, thinking that if anything happens it wouldn't be at my expense other than my loss of privacy against my will.

But, now that we're talking about the potential for an across-the-board assessment applied to all owners, for the sake of recovering costs incurred by a few other owners, now you've got my attention.

Of course, with our legal system, we can have multiple attorneys, all with differing opinions on the final ruling(s). Depending on the number of appeals, that can vary. But the final ruling(s) are never done by attorneys - except for settlements and dropped suits. When no settlement is reached and a suit isn't dropped, then the final determination is by judge and jury.

So, no matter what one claimant's attorney says, there will always be another attorney willing to take the opposite side of the argument.

For those who might be interested in the ACLU's position on privacy issues, check out a humorous, if not totally frightening, webpage they put together.

 
Well, this issue with access to owners' info seems to be in conflict with state laws (especially in the case of deeded ownerships, as opposed to RTU, either it is real estate or it is not).

But wouldn't an HOA board still at least notify the owners before proceeding with this type of case, or would they wait until it was won or lost and then stick everyone with a special assessment?

This is the type of issue that when publicized (and worse, allowed to continue)can discourage people from owning TS.

Oh well, it's almost sweeps month on TV, might be good for one of those "consumer reporter segments". Can you imagine someone giving that excuse about "divorce and child custody" on TV with a straight face? If nothing else, whomever did make a request through the media like that would get a lot of
owner interest generated....
 
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