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Could any Hilton Grand Vacations timeshare owner look up availability on some dates for me?

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Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. 5,000 listings in Vegas (or other low MF locations) are plentiful and very affordable but 7000 / 8400 is where it gets trickier. Hopefully I'm able to find something with MF<=$1300, 7000-8500 points for less than $3,500 (excl. closing).
My advice to those that are considering to purchase is to include the total price of the purchase, buy-in cost (purchase price) and MFs (over however long you plan to own the deed). Another thing to consider, it should be much easiler sell a platinum low MF deed than a gold season high MF deed. Just "food for thought" and again, it really depends on how long you plan to own.
 

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Club Season booking window for NYC & DC locations

Thanks for pointing this out! I was under the assumption that all resorts have the same window. I didn't pay enough attention while browsing the points chart! Fortunately, it appears only NYC resorts have a short booking window, and two Hawaiian resorts have 186 days from checkout.
 

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@alwysonvac Could you also look up general availability at Marbrisa / Carlsbad? A week in November, a week in February, and a week in August?
 

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@alwysonvac Could you also look up general availability at Marbrisa / Carlsbad? A week in November, a week in February, and a week in August?
The current 9 month Club Reservation window is 10/15 to 7/18.
There’s nothing really available for the rest of the year. There’s still availability in varies unit sizes from Jan through July

NOTE: Keep in mind, this is HGVC availability during a pandemic.

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I think the "nothing for the rest of the year" is at least partially a pandemic issue as well. Lots of extended points expiring at the end of 2022 that people are using any way they can.
 

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@alwysonvac Thank you! Appreciated. I'm satisfied with the availability. I think I'll go for a 7,000 points unit and swallow the extra cost. 5,000 points units in Vegas are very affordable (both one-time and MF) but 7,000 appears to be best value overall. We'll see if my wife agrees, or is more comfortable with purchasing a 5,000 unit.

Just wondering about a historical resale value of 5,000 points and 7,000 points units in Vegas... I purchased a TUG membership to access historical resale prices (member login required) but the data is very limited, and doesn't state the points, only bedrooms. 2 bedroom unit can be worth 7000, 5000 or 3500 points depending on the week. Anyone can chime in and offer a good source for data?

@alwysonvac I can see you're an owner at two HGV properties - how much points is each worth and how much did you pay to purchase, if I may ask?
 

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You can find historical HGVC resale prices at

See quote below regarding historical resale prices

On this topic.. does anyone think prices for HGVC will ever recover? At this point it seems that HGVC has stopped exercising ROFR on anything at any price. If the OP waits a year or two, does he do any better than he does now?

ROFR artificially inflated the resale market since the goal was always to make a purchase at a price that would pass. Now that there is no longer a concern, the general rule of $1 per platinum point has flown out the window.

I assume HGVC will start exercising again at some point, but does it ever reach the levels it had before or do they get even more selective with respect to the property?

Do HGVC prices rebound and hold the line at certain purchase price if HGVC continues to let the free market dictate the value? Do they all basically free fall into giveaways with the exception of a few select Hawaiian and Vegas properties?

I know there was a pause in ROFR around 15/16 where some deals slid through but prices generally held/rebounded. Any guesses as to how this one plays out?
JUST MY TWO CENTS...

If the OP waits a year or two, does he do any better than he does now?
Years before COVID-19, Bay Club had been given away for free several times on TUG so I personally would not wait. Waiting will only mean more sellers = more competition..

I assume HGVC will start exercising again at some point, but does it ever reach the levels it had before or do they get even more selective with respect to the property?
Yes, ROFR will eventually resume again. HGVC has always been selective when it comes to ROFR.
Yes, I believe they will be even more selective going forward.

Do HGVC prices rebound and hold the line at certain purchase price if HGVC continues to let the free market dictate the value? Do they all basically free fall into giveaways with the exception of a few select Hawaiian and Vegas properties?

What’s that saying “Plan for the worst and hope for the best.”
Rule of thumb - only buy what you need ;).

Honestly, no one has a crystal ball. The fall will vary. Room types/sizes that are limited in quantity may not fall as fast as other rooms at the same location. It also doesn’t help when newer resorts require a substantial higher number of points which make older properties with lower point values less attractive.


What we do know, is that some owners will be willing to giveaway their week(s) just to get out and others will try to get something back which is why asking prices vary greatly. Keep in mind, some owners were sold on the idea that this was an investment and some spent tens or hundreds of thousands for their ownership. However any time you have a larger number of timeshare owners competing for a slim number of buyers, the best price becomes the decision maker. Most buyers are going to try to strike a deal with the seller offering the lowest price and work their way up. Those insisting on a higher asking price will eventually give up and start lowering their prices once reality sinks which may trigger others to lower their prices to stay competitive. This is not unique to HGVC, it happens industry wide (except for DVC).

Here are some old TUG posts regarding the previous decline in HGVC prices.

From a 2008 TUG thread titled “High QualityTimeshare Resale Prices Plummeting” (link)​
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For a long time, the resale prices of the Hilton (HGVC) Orlando & LV resorts were pretty stable.
Platinum pts sold for about $2.00/pt or ~$14,000 for a 7000 pt 2 bd week
Gold points sold for about $1.50 - $1.60/pt or about $8000 for a 5000 pt 2 bd week
This is no longer true!!
The price for HGVC has gone down significantly in the past 4-6 months.
I'd guess that you can easily find Plat pts for $1.50 -$1.60 ( a Tugger got some 2 months ago for $1.40 )
And I'd guess that you can get gold pts for $1.25/pt or less.
So this is an example of the significant drop in the resale prices of a "top of the line" TS system.

From a 2019 TUG thread titled “Timeshares never came back after the recession of 2008. Resales are not recovering value (link)​
QUOTE:​
In regards to Hilton (since I have 5 resale contracts in my portfolio):
None of them have "held" their value, except possibly the last two.
I'll have to double-check my numbers, but I'm fairly certain:
In 2011 I purchase 3,400 points resale in Vegas (gold week) for $3,200
Today I'd be lucky to get $1,000 for that. probably $500 or give away.
In 2011 I purchased a 3 BR Gold in Vegas 7,000 points for $9,500
Today I'd probably get maybe $4,000 for that.
In 2015 I purchased a 5,000 point 2 BR Gold in Vegas for $2,500
Today I might be lucky to get $1,500 for that
In 2017 I purchased a 7,000 point 2 BR Platinum at Flamingo for $2,500 That was an anomaly
I could probably sell this one for $5,000. Maybe more? (Flamingo has no ROFR so they tend to go slightly higher)
In 2019 I got a "free" HGVC Seawatch on the Beach. It's week 32 "gold" = 3,500 points. 2 BR fixed week.
Probably would also have to give it away if/when I sell it, but it's an affiliate so maybe get $500 for it (but it's not prime week).
Excluding my anomaly purchase, all have not "held" value if you mean it's less than what I paid for it. But not necessarily $0 except for 1 or 2.
Disney, on the other hand.....

Your purchase strategy is different than mine. Since you’re buying for points, Las Vegas is a good deal due to lower taxes. I purchased HGVC for stays at the Hilton Hawaiian Village (HHV) on Oahu. I’ve own since 2003 and primarily use my points for Hilton Hawaiian Village (HHV) stays with extended family members.
  • In 2003, found TUG & purchased my two first two resale weeks: SeaWorld (Orlando MF 2003-2015) and Flamingo (Las Vegas MF 2003-2022) when resale prices were much higher, HGVC had a single point structure and HGVC didn’t have as many properties as they do today.
  • In 2009, purchased Lagoon Tower EOY at HHV (Oahu) after HGVC introduced Program enhancements
  • In 2015, sold SeaWorld after a very bad stay at HHV in 2014 (termite infestation)
  • In 2019, purchased my second Lagoon Tower EOY at HHV (Oahu) when resale prices were very favorable .
  • In 2020, took advantage of great bargains with no active ROFR and purchased Kalia Tower at HHV (Oahu) and my third Lagoon Tower EOY at HHV (Oahu).
 
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@alwysonvac Thanks for sharing these two ROFR links. Some more data points are great.

I purchased HGVC for stays at the Hilton Hawaiian Village (HHV) on Oahu.

I see! I just realized Hawaii is definitely on a list for us to visit. Probably more than once. How does availability for non-owner at any Hawaii locations look like? That's my last availability question to you. :) Thanks for all the help.
 

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How does availability for non-owner at any Hawaii locations look like?
If you are booking when club season opens (most resorts is 9-months before dates) and are flexible on dates, then Oahu is doable. There are several HGVC resorts in HHV but Lagoon Towers usually books first because of the lower point structure. The Big Island also has several resorts but they are much easier to book. There is only one new resort on Maui with high point structure and predict it will be very hard to book.
 

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There‘s lots of threads on Hawaii.
Availability varies depending on the resort and time of year (see thread below for more details and other links).

In summary, there‘s higher demand
  1. for oceanfront resorts compared to non-oceanfront
  2. for lower point rooms compared to higher point rooms
  3. during the spring/summer/winter breaks and school holidays when the majority of families travel
  4. for larger unit sizes compared to smaller units when the majority of families travel

HGVC Oceanfront Hawaii Resorts
- Oahu: Lagoon, Kalia, Grand Waikikian, Grand Islander Towers (all are located within the Hilton Hawaiian Village)
- Big Island: Ocean Tower (located within the Hilton Waikoloa Village)
- Maui: Maui Bay Villas (new standalone property; not colocated within a Hilton Hotel)

HGVC Non-Oceanfront Hawaii Resorts
- Oahu: Hokulani
- Big Island: Bay Club, Kings Land, Kohala Suites

Each property has their PROs/CONs.

In general, if you want a high demand property, room size/type and/or travel date, then you need to book earlier in the booking window rather than later. Sometimes that means booking exactly at midnight eastern when the booking window opens.

 
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@alwysonvac Thanks for sharing these two ROFR links. Some more data points are great.

I see! I just realized Hawaii is definitely on a list for us to visit. Probably more than once. How does availability for non-owner at any Hawaii locations look like? That's my last availability question to you. :) Thanks for all the help.
Here’s the Big Island for May (Lower point Gold season starts 5/7) and July
The 9 month Club Reservation window is 10/16 to 7/19.

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Here’s Oahu for April/May (Lower point Gold season starts 5/7) and July
The 9 month Club Reservation window is 10/16 to 7/19.
The 6 month Club Reservation window is 10/16 to 4/19.

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