College football 2015

[am1]

Regardless of which teams are better. I prefer that almost all teams in a conference play each other head to head in the regular season. Elevating more teams to P5 opens up more chances for which teams deserve/ are in the running of a playoff spot. More teams equal more variables.

No doubt when a non P5 school makes the BCS bowls they will do well. To make one of those bowls they had to be much better then the P5 schools they were jumping. The bowls know they will not draw. Why make a rule that the best non P5 school gets a new years bowl spot other then charity? This year it is real charity as a few better teams will be left out.

The real question is why is there 3 conference championship games on at the same time? 2 being on the same family of channels.

You realize that when the P12 added Colorado, they also added 24th ranked Utah, correct? Your conference dilution argument is weak, at best. Utah, Missouri, aTm, Baylor, WVa, etc have all integrated well into their new conferences. Not dominating, but certainly not all cellar-dwelling either. For every team that's struggled, there's a team that's thrived.

And you realize that the phenomena of teams quickly falling from mighty to mediocre is not limited to G5 and lesser P5 schools, right? Do the names Texas, Nebraska, Miami, Penn State, USC, VaTech, Washington, etc ring any bells?

Your last sentence is directly contradicted by the data I posted. Not sure why you can't acknowledge that. The fact of the matter is that when the G5 schools are allowed to compete with the P5 schools at the highest level, they've more than held their own. Where the G5 conferences typically tend to be weaker is at the bottom, not the top. But bottom feeders aren't the topic of discussion here.

 

[Elan]

McCaffrey - 461 all purpose yards tonight and broke Barry Sanders record for single season all purpose yards.

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[TUGBrian]

whew...carolina really got hosed on that onside kick penalty!

both clemson/unc and msu/iowa were outstanding games.

 

[chalee94]

UNC fans weren't too surprised that the game was fixed but we probably wouldn't have pulled it out anyway...

https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/673364850643456000/photo/1

"This was called offsides..."

(on the bright side, Fedora announced a 7 year deal with UNC and most of our talent is in the younger classes, anyway...)

 

[Elan]

No doubt when a non P5 school makes the BCS bowls they will do well. To make one of those bowls they had to be much better then the P5 schools they were jumping. The bowls know they will not draw. Why make a rule that the best non P5 school gets a new years bowl spot other then charity? This year it is real charity as a few better teams will be left out.

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So it's "charity" when spots get allocated to the teams from conferences that had the overall best winning percentage in BCS bowls (and are 1-0 in NY6 games)? Wow, that's pure genius! :hysterical:

 

[Elan]

UNC fans weren't too surprised that the game was fixed but we probably wouldn't have pulled it out anyway...

https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/673364850643456000/photo/1

"This was called offsides..."

(on the bright side, Fedora announced a 7 year deal with UNC and most of our talent is in the younger classes, anyway...)

I missed that part of the UNC game (watching Iowa/MSU nail-biter). Did they recover the kick?

 

[CCR]

@ Ron
I think Oklahoma State and Mississippi.

 

[am1]

So it's "charity" when spots get allocated to the teams from conferences that had the overall best winning percentage in BCS bowls (and are 1-0 in NY6 games)? Wow, that's pure genius! :hysterical:

Yes when one gets in every year and does not need to earn it on the field. There is a big difference between undefeated Utah, TCU and Boise State and what the non power 5 schools are offering this year. Would Houston have made a BCS bowl in years past? They are not going to be higher then one of the conference champions and I doubt they will be in the top 12 when the rankings come out today.

 

[Elan]

Yes when one gets in every year and does not need to earn it on the field. There is a big difference between undefeated Utah, TCU and Boise State and what the non power 5 schools are offering this year. Would Houston have made a BCS bowl in years past? They are not going to be higher then one of the conference champions and I doubt they will be in the top 12 when the rankings come out today.

The G5 teams had to meet specific requirements for inclusion that were much tougher than simply winning their conference and yet ended up with the best winning percentage of all conferences in bcs games. That's not proof that they belonged?

Why aren't you questioning whether the acc ever deserved a spot? That conference won less than 30% of their bcs games. To summarize -- mwc 80%, acc 28% -- so tell me why the g5 schools shouldn't get in and the acc should? Maybe you should really be asking why the acc champion got an auto bid all those years, as that's clearly a far more logical thing to question.

Now, back to Houston. We'll see how they do. But, they had one close (in conference) loss. Their star QB (Ward) was on the sidelines that game. Had he played, it's reasonable to conclude they'd be undefeated. If they were undefeated, would you feel better? Just like Alabama and MSU, they are 12-1 with one in-conference loss. Don't hear you pissing and moaning about those schools getting in. As I said, we'll see how they do, but there's nothing to indicate that they aren't deserving. Just because you THINK there are better teams getting left out doesn't make it so.




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[am1]

The G5 teams had to meet specific requirements for inclusion that were much tougher than simply winning their conference and yet ended up with the best winning percentage of all conferences in bcs games. That's not proof that they belonged?

Why aren't you questioning whether the acc ever deserved a spot? That conference won less than 30% of their bcs games. To summarize -- mwc 80%, acc 28% -- so tell me why the g5 schools shouldn't get in and the acc should? Maybe you should really be asking why the acc champion got an auto bid all those years, as that's clearly a far more logical thing to question.



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That is my point. In years past the G5 teams had tougher standards to make BCS games then the power 6. Hence the best record. Now a G5 team gets a spot every year regardless. There is more New Years Bowls then BCS bowls but I am in favor of the best teams making the New Years Bowls not reserving a spot for the best G5 team.

Also Utah and TCU stepped up to play where the big boys play. While a whole bunch of teams have entered the G5 ranks. Some who a few years did not even have a football program.

 

[Elan]

That is my point. In years past the G5 teams had tougher standards to make BCS games then the power 6. Hence the best record. Now a G5 team gets a spot every year regardless. There is more New Years Bowls then BCS bowls but I am in favor of the best teams making the New Years Bowls not reserving a spot for the best G5 team.

Also Utah and TCU stepped up to play where the big boys play. While a whole bunch of teams have entered the G5 ranks. Some who a few years did not even have a football program.

Yes, and my point is that you don't know that Houston isn't one of the best teams, do you? To someone with no preconceived notions, they look the same as Alabama and MSU -- they're all 12-1. BSU got the g5 spot last year and pretty easily disposed of Arizona, which won the P12 south and was the only team to beat Oregon prior to the NC game (and that wasn't a particularly great BSU squad). You seem to think that g5 teams aren't any good just because they aren't in a p5 conference, when, in fact, the data, to date, would indicate that they're typically better than the p5 schools they end up playing in the bcs/ny6 bowls. If the g5 teams were getting in and getting pounded, I might see your point. But the exact opposite is happening.

It's like telling 5'6" guard he can't play basketball because he's too short. Then you put him in and he scores 30 points in 6 straight games, yet afterward you still think he can't play because he's too short, so you bench him. Makes no logical sense.

You need to clear your mind of the whole p5 v g5 concept. Conferences were primarily founded on geographical proximity and academic criteria, not football prowess. All teams put their pads on the same way. They all play on a 100 yard field. The differences among the better teams across all conferences is a lot smaller than the p5 schools want you to believe, and the data shows that.

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[am1]

I guess we have to wait to see how the G5 representative will do every year going forward. My guess is below .500 and a lot worse then in the BCS era.

 

[Elan]

I guess we have to wait to see how the G5 representative will do every year going forward. My guess is below .500 and a lot worse then in the BCS era.

Worse than 28%.

Of course things will change. That's a given. How they'll change is anyone's guess. I'd just like to see the playoff expand to a minimum of 8 teams so that things could be settled on the field. Even more ideally, we'd realign to 8 16 team conferences and the 8 champions would get in. Don't see that 2nd part happening.

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[TUGBrian]

I missed that part of the UNC game (watching Iowa/MSU nail-biter). Did they recover the kick?

yes, they recovered it...and then had to rekick it (where they didnt recover) for that offsides penalty. would have left them at midfield with all 3 timeouts and a little over a minute left in the game.

even the overly biased announcers went on and on about how terrible a call it was...and the ref that called it was the one right there on the kickoff line of scrimmage. easily one of the worst penalties ive seen in a very long time.

 

[TUGBrian]

as for the actual playoffs, I think the writing is on the wall for it to expand to at the very least, 8 teams in the future.

 

[x3 skier]

McCaffrey - 461 all purpose yards tonight and broke Barry Sanders record for single season all purpose yards.

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That kid is amazing! Ran, caught and passed for a touchdown. (As did Hogan).

"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work."

If hard work means anything, running, receiving and returning kicks (not to mention throwing an occasional touchdown pass) sure looks like the hardest work I've seen being done by anybody in football this year.

Cheers

 

[am1]

Worse than 28%.

Of course things will change. That's a given. How they'll change is anyone's guess. I'd just like to see the playoff expand to a minimum of 8 teams so that things could be settled on the field. Even more ideally, we'd realign to 8 16 team conferences and the 8 champions would get in. Don't see that 2nd part happening.

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Even with 8 16 team conferences you do not think Iowa, UNC and osu would be deserving of being in a 16 team playoff?

 

[Elan]

Even with 8 16 team conferences you do not think Iowa, UNC and osu would be deserving of being in a 16 team playoff?

Too many unknowns regarding which teams would be in what conferences in that scenario to form an opinion. Regardless, that type of situation exists in most sports today. If you're overly concerned about that, then 8 isn't enough teams.

ETA: I'm actually in favor of at least 12 teams. This year, in a 12 team format, presumably the 4 playoff teams would get first round byes, and yes, OSU, Iowa, UNC, Stanford AND HOUSTON, would all get in.

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[Elan]

yes, they recovered it...and then had to rekick it (where they didnt recover) for that offsides penalty. would have left them at midfield with all 3 timeouts and a little over a minute left in the game.

even the overly biased announcers went on and on about how terrible a call it was...and the ref that called it was the one right there on the kickoff line of scrimmage. easily one of the worst penalties ive seen in a very long time.

Wow, that's awful. All this replay technology, and the ref's can still blatantly screw a team......

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[Elan]

That kid is amazing! Ran, caught and passed for a touchdown. (As did Hogan).

"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work."

If hard work means anything, running, receiving and returning kicks (not to mention throwing an occasional touchdown pass) sure looks like the hardest work I've seen being done by anybody in football this year.

Cheers

Yep. When you're breaking Barry Sanders records, you're special. I love to watch him play. Easily my favorite CFB player, and I typically don't ever have a favorite player.

ETA: Kid doesn't even have to fake it. He's a natural :

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[jme]

in other NCAA Football news hot off the wire...

Will Muschamp has accepted the head coaching job for South Carolina Gamecocks.
(Yippee!!! Thank goodness he won't be UGA's new defensive coordinator as speculated by some, to accompany Kirby Smart's move to Georgia.)

http://espn.go.com/college-football...olina-gamecocks-head-coaching-job-report-says

Whew!!!! dodged a bullet there! Can't stand that guy.....he's a lunatic.


Scroll down to see some of his "favorite" facial expressions:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ima...X&ved=0ahUKEwj7roaklsjJAhWCWj4KHYtbDwUQsAQIGw

 

[Elan]

I think I read this morning that we're now down to 5 coaching vacancies from around 15 a week or so ago.

Found it interesting that Mendenhall left BYU. But apparently they're really tight with money in Provo, and neither he nor his staff was being paid competitively. He's a pretty good coach, I think, and I think he'll fit in well and do well at UVA.

 

[Talent312]

In other NCAA Football news... Will Muschamp has accepted the head coaching job for South Carolina Gamecocks.

So, no team need worry about South Carolina for several more years.
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[x3 skier]

So, no team need worry about South Carolina for several more years.
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+1

Seems once you are a head coach someplace in the FBS, you're more or less assured of being a head coach again if you want to be, regardless of your success or failure with a previous team. I suppose the string runs out eventually but it seems to take a while.

Cheers

 

[jme]

So, no team need worry about South Carolina for several more years.
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Auburn was ranked # 68 nationally in scoring defense under Muschamp, not exactly reason to celebrate his coaching talent, so yes, you could say that if he holds true to form.

Also saw where Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney TODAY said "Muschamp was a great hire for South Carolina". Well, of course he did-----he's quite happy about that, because now Clemson will score at will ........uhhh, "Will" Muschamp.


P.S.....Every few years the NCAA teams play musical chairs with coaches---guess this is the year. It's certainly interesting, and at least gives out a lot of hope to frustrated fans----a la the proverbial "Wait'll NEXT year" mantra.


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