CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

[CPNY]

At what cost?
Will my ability to continue to reserve through VSN at 8 months be hindered?

They need to be careful here…


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I hope it won’t!! I have a year or two since Harborside won’t be included until 2024

 

[CPNY]

It also says that Harborside and WRMV are not initially participating in the new scheme.

That makes me happy, I hope it’s a permanent thing

 

[travelhacker]

How do you mean? She owns a fixed week and had both sides of the lockoff for one fixed week. They use the same exact week every year. Maybe I do not understand.

Marriott should have just managed both systems without combining them. It's ridiculous that they are combining.

Now a reading comprehension fail to go with my math fail .

I missed the part about it being a fixed week. Yeah, in this case the skim would have definitely hosed her from being able to do consecutive weeks. She could have locked off but because of the fixed week, she'd only be able to make the reservations for the same week and wouldn't be able to do consecutive.

 

[Venter]

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Or even get a 2BD during Spring Training: 148,100 = 4,050

In Marriott world they call that the 'skim'. If you own a week at Canyon Villas you will also not be able to book a full week when you convert.

 

[Venter]

Seems like they've "tried to be fair to both sides" – they've just tried a little harder to be fair to Marriott owners at the expense of Vistana owners.

So if weeks are easily bookable from both sides at 8 months, the result is going to be that Marriott owners wanting to go to Phoenix are going to book first into WKV. After all, it's both nicer and cheaper, in DPs, than Canyon Villas.

Meanwhile, Vistana owners mostly won't be able to get into either property, because they'll compete with Marriott owners for WKV and they won't have enough DC points to get into Canyon Villas, at least in the size they need.

So I hope that the inventory of Vistana weeks available to book with DC points is pretty limited.

Remember that is what you will get for your converted week. It may be more points to book at WKV. We will have to wait and see.

 

[cubigbird]

Members of the Vistana Signature Network will first need to elect to receive Club Points to travel to a Marriott Vacation Club resort or property.

But will Club Points owners have to elect something to travel to a Vistana property??? How does it work from the MVC owner side???

 

[robertk2012]

More importantly will they only be able to choose from elected inventory.

But will Club Points owners have to elect something to travel to a Vistana property??? How does it work from the MVC owner side???

 

[KACTravels]

Well….Here we go! I pressed the rep that we talked to on Monday for the conversion ratios for Sheraton Flex. We stupidly converted some SVV deeded weeks into Flex and they assured me that they knew the Conversions for both Flex, Nanea and Aventuras (as listed in my earlier posts.). She is now back pedaling, although I think she thought she was telling me what she knew. Here is her texts to me this afternoon.

“My apologies I just got into trouble because what I shared was just an email from another rep and not official numbers. They said until it's all confirmed and in writing from the company l, that we are not allowed to share info thats not official. I can share that we do know for a fact that there will be no enrollment fee and each year you can elect to use your ownership in the Marriott world and there's no cost to it because you're automatically enrolled. Yay That was a concern of yours. Also that there will be no change to your deeds and you can use them the same as you do now and choose not to use destination points. Also you will be Chairman's club automatically because you are 5 star with us. It has nothing to do with the amt of points you would have in their world. It's automatic because of your status with us and you will be grandfathered in. More details to come when we have official documentation ”

“No need to apologize you didn't get me in trouble. I just jumped the gun like many other reps who like to keep their owners informed. Until we have solid numbers in writing we are not supposed to give exact numbers. Those should be released during the soft launch. We have been told that the Flex products convert higher than weeks. We assume that places on the ocean like your Korn should get a good conversion. Even the Kierland rate isn't confirmed in writing. Like I shared it was an email from another associate and since it didn't come from corporate, that we have to wait for official info. As soon as I know you will know. I do promise you that. “

We will likely rescind. ‍I’m embarrassed as I know better.

 

[robertk2012]

What SVV conversion rate did they give you?

 

[VacationForever]

@KACTravels I am reading that you are already 5* Elite, so no enrollment fees and the ability to book MVC resorts make sense. Did you ask about resale voluntary and mandatory weeks and resale Flex points?

 

[KACTravels]

What SVV conversion rate did they give you?

Previous post “Conversion rates have been set for the following

1. Nanea 23:1
2. Westin Flex 28:1
3. Adventures 30:1
4. Sheraton Flex 32:1
5. Deeded Weeks TBD - she mentioned anywhere from 28:1 - 50:1 (We own WKORN OF and nobody would quote a conversion because they have not been told)

 

[KACTravels]

@KACTravels I am reading that you are already 5* Elite, so no enrollment fees and the ability to book MVC resorts make sense. Did you ask about resale voluntary and mandatory weeks and resale Flex points?

I did not ask about Mandatory or Voluntary resales, as we had already retro’d our resales.

 

[dsmrp]

“... there will be no enrollment fee and each year you can elect to use your ownership in the Marriott world and there's no cost to it because you're automatically enrolled. Yay That was a concern of yours. Also that there will be no change to your deeds and you can use them the same as you do now and choose not to use destination points. Also you will be Chairman's club automatically because you are 5 star with us. It has nothing to do with the amt of points you would have in their world. It's automatic because of your status with us and you will be grandfathered in. More details to come when we have official documentation ”

If 5* will be Chairman's club level, I hope 4* and 3* will be grandfathered respectively into Presidential and Executive or Executive and Select levels. Those levels mainly seems to help with the reservation window if using DC points. I'm sure there are other benefits, but I only skimmed the Marriott FAQs.

 

[Mowogo]

If 5* will be Chairman's club level, I hope 4* and 3* will be grandfathered respectively into Presidential and Executive or Executive and Select levels. Those levels mainly seems to help with the reservation window if using DC points. I'm sure there are other benefits, but I only skimmed the Marriott FAQs.

I’m interested in what the levels will be, as there are some 3* that would transfer to Executive even at 32:1 which could Really be beneficial to that group of owners.

 

[CPNY]

Well….Here we go! I pressed the rep that we talked to on Monday for the conversion ratios for Sheraton Flex. We stupidly converted some SVV deeded weeks into Flex and they assured me that they knew the Conversions for both Flex, Nanea and Aventuras (as listed in my earlier posts.). She is now back pedaling, although I think she thought she was telling me what she knew. Here is her texts to me this afternoon.

“My apologies I just got into trouble because what I shared was just an email from another rep and not official numbers. They said until it's all confirmed and in writing from the company l, that we are not allowed to share info thats not official. I can share that we do know for a fact that there will be no enrollment fee and each year you can elect to use your ownership in the Marriott world and there's no cost to it because you're automatically enrolled. Yay That was a concern of yours. Also that there will be no change to your deeds and you can use them the same as you do now and choose not to use destination points. Also you will be Chairman's club automatically because you are 5 star with us. It has nothing to do with the amt of points you would have in their world. It's automatic because of your status with us and you will be grandfathered in. More details to come when we have official documentation ”
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“No need to apologize you didn't get me in trouble. I just jumped the gun like many other reps who like to keep their owners informed. Until we have solid numbers in writing we are not supposed to give exact numbers. Those should be released during the soft launch. We have been told that the Flex products convert higher than weeks. We assume that places on the ocean like your Korn should get a good conversion. Even the Kierland rate isn't confirmed in writing. Like I shared it was an email from another associate and since it didn't come from corporate, that we have to wait for official info. As soon as I know you will know. I do promise you that. “

We will likely rescind. ‍I’m embarrassed as I know better.

More sales lies. I thought I heard they were working on the legality of using both programs in their marketing materials before a combined program would be announced. I guess here we are.

 

[DavidnRobin]

More sales lies. I thought I heard they were working on the legality of using both programs in their marketing materials before a combined program would be announced. I guess here we are.

And balloons!


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[VacationForever]

So..... 3/24/22 end of business day has passed us by. No email, nothing. Now I am thinking 3/24/23...

 

[Mowogo]

So..... 3/24/22 end of business day has passed us by. No email, nothing. Now I am thinking 3/24/23...

This was soft launch day, with information trickling in and branding kicked off I would say we are definitely on final path forward in the next 3 months.

 

[CPNY]

And balloons!


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I think this just allows them to embellish more. They actually have more marketing materials to dangle in front of unsuspecting owners. Watch them acquire a TON more deeded weeks and sell flex. Marriott is just awful

 

[CPNY]

This was soft launch day, with information trickling in and branding kicked off I would say we are definitely on final path forward in the next 3 months.

What’s changed with the branding? Same brands

 

[Mowogo]

What’s changed with the branding? Same brands

The branding change is bringing the MVC brand advertised with the Vistana brands, instead of everything being separate brands as it has been.

 

[KACTravels]

I just heard “Abound” May be the new name

 

[cubigbird]

I just heard “Abound” May be the new name

Bonvoys Abound?? Lucky us!!

 

[CPNY]

I just heard “Abound” May be the new name

That’s as bad as bonvoy…. Marriott needs new leadership. They need better investments into IT and Marketing

 

[cubigbird]

This was soft launch day, with information trickling in and branding kicked off I would say we are definitely on final path forward in the next 3 months.

The soft launch that told us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.