CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

[CPNY]

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Or even get a 2BD during Spring Training: 148,100 = 4,050

WKV is def much better than CV

 

[KACTravels]

Happening today - Balloon’s and all!

Should I take one for the team?
Robin refuses - so no benefit.

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Where are you? I would love some confirmation of what they told me at Kierland on Monday and today via text.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Happening today - Balloon’s and all!

Should I take one for the team?
Robin refuses - so no benefit.

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Are you at Westin? We are at Westin North. I am not going on a timeshare presentation, but I was going to go to Cannery Mall today to look into a couple of resale Westin Ka'anapali North or South towers weeks to buy for us to use. I am unsure whether to do it now or wait until the devaluation happens.

 

[daviator]

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Or even get a 2BD during Spring Training: 148,100 = 4,050

Seems like they've "tried to be fair to both sides" – they've just tried a little harder to be fair to Marriott owners at the expense of Vistana owners.

So if weeks are easily bookable from both sides at 8 months, the result is going to be that Marriott owners wanting to go to Phoenix are going to book first into WKV. After all, it's both nicer and cheaper, in DPs, than Canyon Villas.

Meanwhile, Vistana owners mostly won't be able to get into either property, because they'll compete with Marriott owners for WKV and they won't have enough DC points to get into Canyon Villas, at least in the size they need.

So I hope that the inventory of Vistana weeks available to book with DC points is pretty limited.

 

[pacman777]

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Or even get a 2BD during Spring Training: 148,100 = 4,050

Don't forget about the DP "skim"... probably why you're seeing the difference. Read up on it in the Marriott forum.

 

[CPNY]

Are you at Westin? We are at Westin North. I am not going on a timeshare presentation, but I was going to go to Cannery Mall today to look into a couple of resale Westin Ka'anapali North or South towers weeks to buy for us to use. I am unsure whether to do it now or wait until the devaluation happens.

If they allow mandatory owners to convert SO to DC points, resales might not be devalued. Although I’d doubt they will let mandatory owners in, I’m sure it’s just for enrolled VSN owners.

 

[CPNY]

Don't forget about the DP "skim"... probably why you're seeing the difference. Read up on it in the Marriott forum.

Isn’t skim for trying to book back into your own resort?

 

[travelhacker]

If the speculated 36.5 is correct for WKV plat, our 67,000 (1 BR, small) which gets spring training at Kierland, won't even trade into a studio at Canyon Villas. That's is if I understand the conversation math properly.

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Or even get a 2BD during Spring Training: 148,100 = 4,050

So if you look at the points chart, notice how when you add the studio and 1 bedroom it is higher than the 2 bedroom?

My guess is that they value Westin Kierland small 1 bedrooms at somewhere around 1600 - 1800 DP.

EDIT: I'm talking about platinum to be clear.

 

[tamu_bu]

WKV is def much better than CV

Agreed. And the non verified 36.5 (I refuse to go to one hundredths as if this is so highly calibrated) doesn't evev equate to the CV studio??? Let's see... WKV small 1br vs CV studio. Well if that's for real, they've made the decision a no-brainer.

I hold out hope for a different conversation or program altogether but I won't hold my breath.

 

[tamu_bu]

So if you look at the points chart, notice how when you add the studio and 1 bedroom it is higher than the 2 bedroom?

My guess is that they value Westin Kierland small 1 bedrooms at somewhere around 1600 - 1800 DP.

EDIT: I'm talking about platinum to be clear.

Dividing by the unofficial 36.5 it equals 1,834.

 

[travelhacker]

Agreed. And the non verified 36.5 (I refuse to go to one hundredths as if this is so highly calibrated) doesn't evev equate to the CV studio??? Let's see... WKV small 1br vs CV studio. Well if that's for real, they've made the decision a no-brainer.

I hold out hope for a different conversation or program altogether but I won't hold my breath.

So remember, that that's what a 2 bedroom equates to.

In SVN, we are used to the studio (or smaller 1 bedroom) + 1 bedroom being equal to the 2 bedroom. That is not the case with DP.

As a result, I think the value for studios (or small 1 bedrooms) will be higher than the 2 bedroom.

It's a bit of a weird situation because when Marriott sold weeks, they really didn't sell sides of a lockoff unit like Vistana did.

 

[travelhacker]

Dividing by the unofficial 36.5 it equals 1,834.

Crap, math is hard. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. That's just comparing to the DP chart for a studio. The 1 bedroom at Kierland is most definitely not a studio, but it's also not quite like the CV 1 bedrooms either.

 

[daviator]

Isn’t skim for trying to book back into your own resort?

I think there are multiple ways they skim. One other way is by charging more for the two sides of a lockoff individually than the value of the entire lockoff, as has been pointed out. Presumably the owner of that unit who trades it for DPs is getting the 2BR value, and then Marriott can go and get more for it.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I think there are multiple ways they skim. One other way is by charging more for the two sides of a lockoff individually than the value of the entire lockoff, as has been pointed out. Presumably the owner of that unit who trades it for DPs is getting the 2BR value, and then Marriott can go and get more for it.

Exactly. Emmy (iconnections) talked about this. She and Peter bought a two bedroom lockoff, fixed week, Oceanfront Lahaina tower, came with DC points, and they thought they would do two weeks with it, and it cost extra DC points to book the studio one week and the 1 bedroom a second week. She was angry. Rumor has it that she sold her fixed week. She was pretty angry about it, when we visited her a few years ago.

 

[daviator]

Exactly. Emmy (iconnections) talked about this. She and Peter bought a two bedroom lockoff, fixed week, Oceanfront Lahaina tower, came with DC points, and they thought they would do two weeks with it, and it cost extra DC points to book the studio one week and the 1 bedroom a second week. She was angry. Rumor has it that she sold her fixed week. She was pretty angry about it, when we visited her a few years ago.

I hope it isn't possible for them to change that way that works in the Vistana system. The ability to turn one week in the lockoff into two weeks (one in each side) was absolutely fundamental to each of my purchases. We don't have kids and rarely reserve an entire lockoff at once. If they implemented something like that for Vistana units, I would be out looking for a class action attorney.

 

[travelhacker]

I hope it isn't possible for them to change that way that works in the Vistana system. The ability to turn one week in the lockoff into two weeks (one in each side) was absolutely fundamental to each of my purchases. We don't have kids and rarely reserve an entire lockoff at once. If they implemented something like that for Vistana units, I would be out looking for a class action attorney.

Just to clarify, In this case Emmy could have booked the 1 bedroom and studio using the weeks reservation in MVC, rather than using DP.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Just to clarify, In this case Emmy could have booked the 1 bedroom and studio using the weeks reservation in MVC, rather than using DP.

How do you mean? She owns a fixed week and had both sides of the lockoff for one fixed week. They use the same exact week every year. Maybe I do not understand.

Marriott should have just managed both systems without combining them. It's ridiculous that they are combining.

 

[DavidnRobin]

DO IT PLEASE

Nope - they want me/us to shuttle to Nanea.
Sorry - we only have today/tomorrow left.

I only found out about this because I hadn’t gone to the concierge about resort credit conversion using our StarOptions. The Front Desk gave me bad info for Resort Credit when we checked in - glad I checked.

If it rains tomorrow I may go to check out as individual- their promos won’t help us - except for maybe the $150 resort credit.

We will be back in Sept - whatever they are offering will still be there.


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[DavidnRobin]

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For Desk Use Only
I tried to grab one, but informed I could not.

Looks like combined Marriott and Vistana resorts - can’t read fine print (sorry - bad lighting).

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[DavidnRobin]

Are you at Westin? We are at Westin North. I am not going on a timeshare presentation, but I was going to go to Cannery Mall today to look into a couple of resale Westin Ka'anapali North or South towers weeks to buy for us to use. I am unsure whether to do it now or wait until the devaluation happens.

We are at South Resort.
Not going to do it (most likely).
Almost got Robin to go (for $150 resort credit), but they were getting more complicated (need to take shuttle to Nanea… booked, but opening just came up… etc). They even said they could send someone down to meet me (probably after they saw our portfolio).

Remember that OF is not part of Westin Flex.


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[Mowogo]

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For Desk Use Only
I tried to grab one, but informed I could not.

Looks like combined Marriott and Vistana resorts - can’t read fine print (sorry - bad lighting).

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Members of the Vistana Signature Network will first need to elect to receive Club Points to travel to a Marriott Vacation Club resort or property.

 

[DavidnRobin]

Members of the Vistana Signature Network will first need to elect to receive Club Points to travel to a Marriott Vacation Club resort or property.

At what cost?
Will my ability to continue to reserve through VSN at 8 months be hindered?

They need to be careful here…


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[Mowogo]

At what cost?
Will my ability to continue to reserve through VSN at 8 months be hindered?

They need to be careful here…


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That is the question everyone is going to seek, I was just pointing out one line at the bottom that I could actually read which implies that VSN is staying intact as a completely separate exchange.

 

[daviator]

It also says that Harborside and WRMV are not initially participating in the new scheme.

 

[robertk2012]

If they allow mandatory owners to convert SO to DC points, resales might not be devalued. Although I’d doubt they will let mandatory owners in, I’m sure it’s just for enrolled VSN owners.

Mandatory are enrolled and pay for the VSN program. I understand perks like status and hotel conversations not applying to resale. I don’t feel it would be fair to allow others to book your inventory for a program that you are forced to pay for without reciprocal benefits.