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From the points chart, the island view has the same points as the ocean view. Not sure if they will change it later.

Based on the charts, island view might get over 7k points, which will be a great points generator compared with any other Marriott resorts.

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Maybe this is one of their “tweaks” they will be working on or it could be an artifact of requiring the same SO for the same view.

The other thing I found weird in this chart is that OF is in the middle column of each room size, rather than at the far right as it is in other MVC points charts. Perhaps this is done so you don’t notice that IV and OV are the same.
 

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Maybe this is one of their “tweaks” they will be working on or it could be an artifact of requiring the same SO for the same view.

The other thing I found weird in this chart is that OF is in the middle column of each room size, rather than at the far right as it is in other MVC points charts. Perhaps this is done so you don’t notice that IV and OV are the same.
Perhaps this is an aberration of converting from StarOption value to Club Points instead of converting from an actual value of the underlying week? There were a few Marriott resorts where Marriott valued Ocean Side as the same cost as Ocean View. I beleive Aruba Surf Club had this.
 
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These charts are how much it is to book a week, not necessarily how much you get when you elect Club Points for your week. I don't really know how they will handle SDO where they have seasons but some people own a 1-52 and others own a Gold+ or Plat+. I suspect they will set a number of points for Gold+ and then Plat+. This is where skim comes in. You only get 2,600 Club Points, but it may cost more or less to book depending on when you want to travel. Want to go during that more expensive time? Use your home resort reservation, want to go during cheaper times? Use Club Points.
Those too are my thoughts. What we get assigned for our week is different from what we need to book, hence the "skim".
 
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That makes no sense to convert to DC just to book a Vistana resort that will cost you more. When you can do it directly on VSN. If you convert to DC it will be to book a Marriott resort and/ or take advantage of 13 months & 1 day booking or the 30% discount 60 days as a higher level elite. Otherwise like in my case renting out Nanea and WSJ is more lucrative.
Agree, that’s what I said. While the extra time may be a benefit, there will be skim to contend with
 
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Here is the points chart for Lagunamar. View attachment 50392
This is where I really think they are missing the mark on conversion rates and cost to book. Oceanside and Ocean View should clearly have different point values to both book and to elect Club Points. They did this across the Marriott resorts when they rolled out DC in 2010. It will really dissuade those Oceanside owners from converting just for the fact they didn't give them more points than ocean view.
 

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maybe, but Lagunamar resale is voluntary so won't be in VSN or be eligible for DC
I am not really sure you will see any changes in resale values one way or another. What a resale week can do today is the same as it will be able to do after June 2022. Now, Lagunamar may be a good resort to retro in if Marriott does allow that down the road, but it is already a fairly good resort to retro.
 

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That makes no sense to convert to DC just to book a Vistana resort that will cost you more. When you can do it directly on VSN. If you convert to DC it will be to book a Marriott resort and/ or take advantage of 13 months & 1 day booking or the 30% discount 60 days as a higher level elite. Otherwise like in my case renting out Nanea and WSJ is more lucrative.
I think the goal here is to make it less attractive to elect Club Points to book either back into your home resort or even back into Sheraton or Westin properties. The primary purpose of electing points will be to book into Marriott properties. If you want to stay at a Vistana property, just stick with VSN.
 

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I think the goal here is to make it less attractive to elect Club Points to book either back into your home resort or even back into Sheraton or Westin properties. The primary purpose of electing points will be to book into Marriott properties. If you want to stay at a Vistana property, just stick with VSN.
I have a feeling that we will not elect Club points because we get much better value when using SOs to book at the 2 resorts which we visit regularly. We also have more DC / Trust points than we can use.
 

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I have a feeling that we will not elect Club points because we get much better value when using SOs to book at the 2 resorts which we visit regularly. We also have more DC / Trust points than we can use.
That’s my issue. I have 1-2 resorts in the VSN that I really like. If I can book in the DC I would probably look for the Florida resorts. Really it’s just beachplace and crystal shores since for the orlando properties, interval is probably better. If they didn’t allow mandatory owners to convert and I had to pay a fee similar to what they charged in 2010, I probably would.
 

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I went to a presentation today and was able to take a photo of my sheet showing the MVC DC point values assigned. As you can see, they know exactly what is voluntary, mandatory, retroed, and not. Confirmed that they do NOT know when or if HRA will be brought in, or Riverfront. According to my rep this is because both are owned by other companies and only managed by Vistana, but they are working on both. Tried to get me to purchase an eoy Westin flex package to bring in my unauthorized SVV and hope that when HRA comes online i can make it to Chairman before they raise the points levels. Hard pass.
We here on tug know everything the reps know, other than what our individual units will earn in MVC. They couldn't outright deny that there may be a future opportunity to enroll these a ala the June 2010 cutoff for Marriott, so i will just wait and see.
 

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did your sale rep mentions whether unauthorized mandatory resorts are eligible to convert?
 

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I went to a presentation today and was able to take a photo of my sheet showing the MVC DC point values assigned. As you can see, they know exactly what is voluntary, mandatory, retroed, and not. Confirmed that they do NOT know when or if HRA will be brought in, or Riverfront. According to my rep this is because both are owned by other companies and only managed by Vistana, but they are working on both. Tried to get me to purchase an eoy Westin flex package to bring in my unauthorized SVV and hope that when HRA comes online i can make it to Chairman before they raise the points levels. Hard pass.
We here on tug know everything the reps know, other than what our individual units will earn in MVC. They couldn't outright deny that there may be a future opportunity to enroll these a ala the June 2010 cutoff for Marriott, so i will just wait and see.
Thanks for sharing the details.
Helps us with context.

Is the 81K-SO highlighted as UN-AUTHORIZED MANDATORY the SVV you refer to?
If the SVV is Mandatory and they offered to bring it in with a purchase can we infer that "Enrolling MANDATORY-UNAUTHORIZED" is possible and will require a purchase of some sort?

Why does one of your weeks 148.1K-PLATINUM show as ZERO "Election Value" even though it shows as AUTHORIZED.?
 

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I went to a presentation today and was able to take a photo of my sheet showing the MVC DC point values assigned. As you can see, they know exactly what is voluntary, mandatory, retroed, and not. Confirmed that they do NOT know when or if HRA will be brought in, or Riverfront. According to my rep this is because both are owned by other companies and only managed by Vistana, but they are working on both. Tried to get me to purchase an eoy Westin flex package to bring in my unauthorized SVV and hope that when HRA comes online i can make it to Chairman before they raise the points levels. Hard pass.
We here on tug know everything the reps know, other than what our individual units will earn in MVC. They couldn't outright deny that there may be a future opportunity to enroll these a ala the June 2010 cutoff for Marriott, so i will just wait and see.
This is similar to what we were shown today. I’m curious as to why the “Un-“ in the resale type column is whited out on lines 1, 2, 5 and 6 of your sheet?

Is line 4 the only one that you bought from the developer?

Line 5 I assume is the one that is HRA?
 

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Thanks for sharing the details.
Helps us with context.

Is the 81K-SO highlighted as UN-AUTHORIZED MANDATORY the SVV you refer to?
If the SVV is Mandatory and they offered to bring it in with a purchase can we infer that "Enrolling MANDATORY-UNAUTHORIZED" is possible and will require a purchase of some sort?

Why does one of your weeks 148.1K-PLATINUM show as ZERO "Election Value" even though it shows as AUTHORIZED.?
The sheet looks a little funny to me. I think lines 1, 2, 5 and 6 are actually listed as “Un-authorized”, but someone has manually tried to take the “Un-“ away from the front to make them appear to be listed as “Authorized”. If you look carefully the columns don’t align. The auditor part of my brain is tingling.
 

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did your sale rep mentions whether unauthorized mandatory resorts are eligible to convert?
They said they won’t right now, hence the push on flex. I asked directly if there would be an amnesty enrollment like Marriott and the look in their eyes seemed to indicate that it may happen down the road, but their mouth said no.
 

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The sheet looks a little funny to me. I think lines 1, 2, 5 and 6 are actually listed as “Un-authorized”, but someone has manually tried to take the “Un-“ away from the front to make them appear to be listed as “Authorized”. If you look carefully the columns don’t align. The auditor part of my brain is tingling.
They were all authorized last fall, except for SVV. This was printed today but as you see someone wrote all over it before I got there, but I assure you that this IS accurate for my account, I have 5 enrolled units (3 developer purchases and 2 retros) and one resale unenrolled.
 

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This is similar to what we were shown today. I’m curious as to why the “Un-“ in the resale type column is whited out on lines 1, 2, 5 and 6 of your sheet?

Is line 4 the only one that you bought from the developer?

Line 5 I assume is the one that is HRA?
Lines 1, 2, and 6 were developer purchases and you see they are marked “Sale”. 3, 4, and 5 were resale and yes 5 is HRA.
 

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Thanks for sharing the details.
Helps us with context.

Is the 81K-SO highlighted as UN-AUTHORIZED MANDATORY the SVV you refer to?
If the SVV is Mandatory and they offered to bring it in with a purchase can we infer that "Enrolling MANDATORY-UNAUTHORIZED" is possible and will require a purchase of some sort?

Why does one of your weeks 148.1K-PLATINUM show as ZERO "Election Value" even though it shows as AUTHORIZED.?
Yes, SVV is my unauthorized mandatory and that’s I guess why they crossed out the MVC points.
The 148.1 is Harborside which isn’t yet part of the conversion.
 

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Yes, SVV is my unauthorized mandatory and that’s I guess why they crossed out the MVC points.
The 148.1 is Harborside which isn’t yet part of the conversion.
Thanks for clarifying.

Thus, your SVV-Mandatory cannot be enrolled [due to RESALE] without an additional purchase?
 

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Thanks for clarifying.

Thus, your SVV-Mandatory cannot be enrolled [due to RESALE] without an additional purchase?
That’s what they told me today, but I am choosing to wait and see what ACTUALLY happens rather than buy more now based on speculation.
 

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I’m not familiar with the DC program as I only own Vistana. What percentage is the skim on what a week receives for DC and what it would cost to then book that same week in DC?
 

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I’m not familiar with the DC program as I only own Vistana. What percentage is the skim on what a week receives for DC and what it would cost to then book that same week in DC?
It varies with the resort and season. But you never want to elect DC points to book back at your own resort. You should simply book your week as before. Skim isn't really all that bad as there are underlying reasons that can explain why there is skim. One that has become obvious to many MVC DC owners is that you can book by days, so some orphaned/broken up days go unused. The other reason is the additional housekeeping required for short stays. However, one can argue that owners pay for housekeeping in their MF anyway. Even though there is skim, it really has not affected my satisfaction with the DC program.
 

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It seems like we have some conflicting information as to whether a non-retro’ed mandatory will be able to convert to DC points.

If they DO allow it, it starts to make me wonder if the long-term plan is to deprecate VSN and make the DC points the only internal exchange currency. I hope not, as I like the way VSN works.


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