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[kozykritter]

Interesting, it isn't included in the points chart available on the MVC website.

Makes sense since they won't be part of the program until they can negotiate it. The point charts for both of those is in the Westin charts they give you when you purchase, which I posted a few weeks ago.

 

[DanCali]

I got a snap of this at an presentation.View attachment 63168

I've posted in post #2949 by best guess to how points for HRA will be allocated. This is based on a methodology that seems to work with very minor errors in all cases I've checked. It involves:

(1) Match the Vistana or Marriott week deeded seasons with the Marriott booking chart (I may be off by 1 week here and there)
(2) Find the average points required to book a week in the actual deeded season
(3) Haircut 7% (aka "skim")

Based on this, here is what I got for WRV Platinum and Gold... A 2BR Platinum would get around 5525 points and a 2BR Gold only around 1800. If true, those summer weeks are very undervalued - we've been there several times in the summer and it's a great resort & location.

The calculations may be slightly off if I miscounted weeks by +/-1 (e.g., the week 15 lower numbers may actually not belong in the Platinum season), so the actual numbers for Platinum may be off by 2%- 3%, but this should be a reasonable estimate IMO.

 

[Bodie]

"Availability at Westin Vacation Club and Sheraton Vacation Club resorts for Marriott Vacation Club owners will depend on the number of Westin Vacation Club and Sheraton Vacation Club owners at those resorts who elect to receive Club Points. For this reason, it is possible that there could be limited availability at some Westin Vacation Club and Sheraton Vacation Club resorts."

So, tell me why this program is something. about which I - as a MVC weeks and points owner - should be excited? All I can see is a company who spent a lot of money on unexciting resorts in unexciting cities and who just made it harder for us to reserve at the few desirable properties. Think I just might attend a sales presentation to see how MVC is selling this white elephant.

 

[dioxide45]

"Availability at Westin Vacation Club and Sheraton Vacation Club resorts for Marriott Vacation Club owners will depend on the number of Westin Vacation Club and Sheraton Vacation Club owners at those resorts who elect to receive Club Points. For this reason, it is possible that there could be limited availability at some Westin Vacation Club and Sheraton Vacation Club resorts."

So, tell me why this program is something. about which I - as a MVC weeks and points owner - should be excited? All I can see is a company who spent a lot of money on unexciting resorts in unexciting cities and who just made it harder for us to reserve at the few desirable properties. Think I just might attend a sales presentation to see how MVC is selling this white elephant.

I think they are just trying to set expectations out of the gate. Initial Abound usage by Vistana owners will probably be limited. Over time as VSN members start to use it, they may start to see value in it and it will open up more inventory to the program for those Westin and Sheraton properties. MVC is certainly going to point out the 90+ properties that are available and won't disclose how hard some of them are to book. It is no different than today.

 

[dioxide45]

Abound members won't be able to reserve what Vistana owners don't give to them. I suspect there will be very little change with OF Maui inventory availability at 12 months. There is no option for anyone to book those at 13 months based on the terms as they have been laid out.

 

[Grandma2016]

Abound members won't be able to reserve what Vistana owners don't give to them. I suspect there will be very little change with OF Maui inventory availability at 12 months. There is no option for anyone to book those at 13 months based on the terms as they have been laid out.

What about booking after home reservation period. I have enough options to book but dont own OF to go several weeks in a row. Ive been lucky in the past to find OF at 8 months and use SO to book

 

[timsi]

Abound members won't be able to reserve what Vistana owners don't give to them. I suspect there will be very little change with OF Maui inventory availability at 12 months. There is no option for anyone to book those at 13 months based on the terms as they have been laid out.

Some owners will deposit in Abound and it is Marriott that will either spread the deposits evenly for each calendar week or block for Abound a relatively larger number of units for the weeks that require more points to book = advantage Marriott since they will have leftover nights that they can rent. The process is completely not transparent. Maybe the "insiders" will tell us.

 

[jabberwocky]

So, tell me why this program is something. about which I - as a MVC weeks and points owner - should be excited? All I can see is a company who spent a lot of money on unexciting resorts in unexciting cities and who just made it harder for us to reserve at the few desirable properties. Think I just might attend a sales presentation to see how MVC is selling this white elephant.

The merger was never really about offering more resorts to MVC owners. I think they are more excited about having a more extensive customer base (Vistana owners) to sell the MVC program to.

 

[kozykritter]

"Availability at Westin Vacation Club and Sheraton Vacation Club resorts for Marriott Vacation Club owners will depend on the number of Westin Vacation Club and Sheraton Vacation Club owners at those resorts who elect to receive Club Points. For this reason, it is possible that there could be limited availability at some Westin Vacation Club and Sheraton Vacation Club resorts."

So, tell me why this program is something. about which I - as a MVC weeks and points owner - should be excited? All I can see is a company who spent a lot of money on unexciting resorts in unexciting cities and who just made it harder for us to reserve at the few desirable properties. Think I just might attend a sales presentation to see how MVC is selling this white elephant.

Oh no you did-nt! Coming into our house to dis' our program

You may think our baby is ugly and smells funny.

Our response: Hold your nose or run away because we love our baby just as it is. Plus you really don't notice after awhile.

 

[DanCali]

Think I just might attend a sales presentation to see how MVC is selling this white elephant.

"You now have access to 90+ resorts whereas it was only 65 resorts before"

"Westins are really high-end timeshares"

"You can now combine trips and make it more exciting - 5 days at Westin St. John, 5 days on St. Thomas; 5 days in Poipu, 5 days in Princeville"

"But what you really need are more points to make it all work even better for you! You will need access to the Trust now more than ever. And you will need more points for those 10-night trips."


There you go - I just saved you 90 minutes on your next vacation!

 

[Jimmyboy]

Per this chart my WK Platinum Plus booked during peek time requires 5400 Points. Can assume that's what I will get if I decide to exchange my 148100 star options for Abound points?

 

[Red elephant]

"You now have access to 90+ resorts whereas it was only 65 resorts before"

"Westins are really high-end timeshares"

"You can now combine trips and make it more exciting - 5 days at Westin St. John, 5 days on St Thomas; 5 days in Poipu, 5 days in Princeville"

"But what you really are more points to make it all work even better for you because you need access to the Trust more than ever"

There you go - I just saved you 90 minutes on your next vacation!

This is the best!!!

 

[Red elephant]

Per this chart my WK Platinum Plus booked during peek time requires 5400 Points. Can assume that's what I will get if I decide to exchange my 148100 star options for Abound points?

Unfortunately not. You get 4050 I believe. That’s just what is required to book the resort at that time. What you get stays the same.

 

[jabberwocky]

Unfortunately not. You get 4050 I believe. That’s just what is required to book the resort at that time. What you get stays the same.

Correct. You would only get 4050. Marriott gives you an average value in the season and then applies a “skim” factor. So you could potentially not book what you own if you convert to Abound.

 

[DanCali]

Per this chart my WK Platinum Plus booked during peek time requires 5400 Points. Can assume that's what I will get if I decide to exchange my 148100 star options for Abound points?

Based on some reverse engineering, what you get is the average number of points required to book a week in the season you own, less 7% (aka, "skim")

You can see this calculation specifically for WKV a couple of hundred posts ago.... It came out pretty much at 4050 (link below).

Aside from that 7% skim, the average number of points to book a week in the season is the most you can get because otherwise they would be giving out more points than are required to book the entire season. If they gave us that number, it wouldn't be "skim" even if you can't book all the weeks in your seasons.

You'd generally elect Abound points to make a reservation at a different resort not your home resort. There are some weeks in January and May (still Platinum season) when you can actually use 4050 Abound points to book 10 nights at WKV. 4050 won't get you 7 nights in March, but that's what your deeded week is for... Elect points only when it's beneficial for you.

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Thank you for your hard work on this. Let’s hope it’s close to this if they do work out the issues that are preventing this from being included in the initial launch. I do have a vested interest in this, as I own in both seasons :) These numbers are still low compared to week rental values...

tugbbs.com

 

[EnglishmanAbroad]

What about booking after home reservation period. I have enough options to book but dont own OF to go several weeks in a row. Ive been lucky in the past to find OF at 8 months and use SO to book

Be thankful that you've been lucky in the past considering there was no guarantee. Same for anything you get going forward.

 

[Red elephant]

Based on some reverse engineering, what you get is the average number of points required to book a week in the season you own, less 7% (aka, "skim")

You can see this calculation specifically for WKV a couple of hundred posts ago.... It came out pretty much at 4050 (link below).

Aside from that 7% skim, the average number of points to book a week in the season is the most you can get because otherwise they would be giving out more points than are required to book the entire season. If they gave us that number, it wouldn't be "skim" even if you can't book all the weeks in your seasons.

You'd generally elect Abound points to make a reservation at a different resort not your home resort. There are some weeks in January and May (still Platinum season) when you can actually use 4050 Abound points to book 10 nights at WKV. 4050 won't get you 7 nights in March, but that's what your deeded week is for... Elect points only when it's beneficial for you.

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Thank you for your hard work on this. Let’s hope it’s close to this if they do work out the issues that are preventing this from being included in the initial launch. I do have a vested interest in this, as I own in both seasons :) These numbers are still low compared to week rental values...

tugbbs.com

This is really interesting so you can use it to your advantage sometimes .
Do you have any idea what platinum 1 bedroom at HRA may be ?

 

[DanCali]

This is really interesting so you can use it to your advantage sometimes .
Do you have any idea what platinum 1 bedroom at HRA may be ?

I had a speculative post on that one too (#2949). It was around 2125 for the Small 1BR and 2700 for the larger one. We'll see how close I get whenever that info comes out.

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I logged in today, and don't see anything different on my reservations or on what I own.

tugbbs.com

 

[timsi]

Here is the full Vistana points charts to make reservations (not what you get when electing Club Points)

Westin Cancun is not among the resort. I am wondering if it is on the way of being sold.

 

[Red elephant]

I had a speculative post on that one too (#2949). It was around 2125 for the Small 1BR and 2700 for the larger one. We'll see how close I get whenever that info comes out.

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I logged in today, and don't see anything different on my reservations or on what I own.

tugbbs.com

View attachment 63183

Oh thanks I must have missed that post.

 

[cubigbird]

Westin Cancun is not among the resort. I am wondering if it is on the way of being sold.

Then why did they convert most of it to timeshare?

 

[dioxide45]

Westin Cancun is not among the resort. I am wondering if it is on the way of being sold.

It was included but somehow I forgot to add it to the combined PDF I created on Adobe.com. I have updated my original post with the chart and the updated version is in this one too.

 

[vistana101]

It was included but somehow I forgot to add it to the combined PDF I created on Adobe.com. I have updated my original post with the chart and the updated version is in this one too.

Good to see they're keeping SVV/SVR and Grande Vista all at the same level.

 

[timsi]

It was included but somehow, I forgot to add it to the combined PDF I created on Adobe.com. I have updated my original post with the chart and the updated version is in this one too.

Thank you for sharing with us. I guess the Vistana owners will have access in the near future, but we have been waiting for such a long time that it is nice to finally see it.

I feel Vistana rich and Abound poor. I say this objectively, not with frustration. I will continue to use the ownership as before: home resort reservations, Interval and a bit of VSN. Even if f I had all my Vistana weeks enrolled, Abound would offer little to no value to me. I am wondering if the Vistana owners will not have a sticker price shock when they see the points chart. It remains to be seen if the Vistana owners will rush to buy MVC points (AMV points now?) at $15 pp. I know some rushed to buy based on murky sales statements but once the rules are clear, many will probably find they own enough already. If they can convince people to pay 105,000 dollars to get enough AMV points to book a good week at Lagunamar, good for them, but let me be skeptical.

 

[dioxide45]

Here is some Abound information from Vistana.com. It looks like there will be an opportunity to opt-out and continue to pay the current VSN Membership Fee amount and not be able to use Club Points (Abound). There is the 8/9 date outlined below in regard to mandatory resales VOIs.

Important Information Regarding Abound by Marriott Vacations™

• The term “Club Dues” refers to either Exchange Company Dues (for members of the Abound by Marriott Vacations™ exchange program) or Club Dues/VSN Network Membership Fees (for Members of the Vistana Signature Network (“VSN”).
• Reservations using the Abound by Marriott Vacations™ exchange program are expected to be functional and go live in October 2022 for reservations beginning with the 2023 Use Year. Owners will be notified when this capability in Abound is available.
• Certain Owners who may be able to opt-out will not receive the Abound by Marriott Vacations exchange opportunity or consolidated a la carte fees but will still be required to pay VSN Network Membership Fees and separate a la carte transaction fees.
• Eligible Vacation Ownership Interests (“VOIs”):
  • Are those that are enrolled in VSN and were purchased from the Developer or through an authorized resale agent.
  • VOIs that were enrolled in VSN prior to August 9, 2022 that were purchased through an unauthorized resale agent or HOA resale offer will be given the opportunity to elect to receive Club Points and apply toward Owner benefit level.
• VOIs purchased through an unauthorized resale agent or HOA resale offer on or after August 9, 2022, and VOIs not enrolled in the VSN are not eligible.
• VOIs who may be able to opt-out of the additional exchange opportunities of using Abound and only pay the current VSN Membership Fees amount will not be able to use Club Points to reserve these resorts through Abound and will be responsible for paying separate transaction fees.

Vistana® Signature Experiences Resorts

Availability in Abound by Marriott Vacations™ starting 12 months prior to check-in applies to inventory made available by Vistana Signature Network® members electing to receive Club Points.

We anticipate that exchange through the Abound by Marriott Vacations exchange program may not be available at Harborside Resort at Atlantis and The Westin Riverfront Mountain Villas for stays in 2023 (and, possibly beyond for Harborside Resort at Atlantis); however, we will communicate more specific information at a later time.