Belaire Golf Resort & Spa

[steve_esko]

IDOM

Below is a follow up email I received from IDOM.

 

[steve_esko]

Below is a follow up email I received from IDOM.


Thank you for contacting IDOM. I would like to inform you IDOM has done all the engineering and architectural project of PV Belaire. All our work is finished, PV Belaire has been our client for the last few month, and PV Belaire now will construct the hotel.

I would like to mention that our company is focussed in Engineering and Architectural projects all around the world, we have two branche in the States and one in Canada as well as branches in other parts of the world.

Should you have any question do not hesitate to contact us,



Jose Mª Argüelles
Director Idom Mexico
Av. Paseo de la Reforma, Nº 389 - Piso 19
Colonia Cuauhtemoc, CP 6500 - Mexico DF (Mexico)
Tlfn: (+52 55) 5208 4649
Fax: (+52 55) 5208 4358
Cel: (+52 55) 5508 0958
jarguelles@idom.com.mx
www.idom.com.mx

 

[pammex]

Okay I am home, hubby has left for a bit for work. Getting caught up. Will try to post my updated info by this weekend. Am I able to upload photos directly to this site or can someoen advise me easiest way to do so.

 

[Karen G]

Am I able to upload photos directly to this site or can someoen advise me easiest way to do so.

See post #19 at this thread about how to put your photos on photobucket and then transfer them to TUG. It is very simple if you carefully follow these directions.

 

[pammex]

Okay well here goes....my timeshare presentation at the infamous Belair in PV.

Got up very early for vacationers to meet timeshare street person at McDonalds in Marina. Found him no problem. He promised 4500 pesos for attending presentation. Then told us his buddy who was going to take us said Belair only offers 4000 pesos, we said okay adios...he handed us 500 pesos. So far so good. Least I am getting paid for my time and getting up so early, I am a night owl, mornings are not for me LOL.

The 3 of us, me, hubby, and timeshare street seller climb in our car and head to Belair. Of course we have already been in area for a week and 2 days. Nothing has changed at Belair, still 5 guys working with shovels on a retaining wall ( well sometimes working) and machinery on site remains as still as ever. The water bottle remains on its side empty and abandoned on property. Guess those workers do not drink water, since usually builder provides water garafons ( 20 liter water bottles) for workers. Okay we park and enter property.

We are seated at an outdoor table, then we are processed, have to show ID's and 2 major credit cards and our paper showing we are owed 4000 pesos after presentation. We are left to sit with coffee for about 20 minutes and finally we are taken in by a salesman. Now you will not believe this but I cannot remember his name( he did tell us his relative or something was a diplomat and he did not like US.) He brings us into nice restaurant, lots of glass etc. Model of development etc. etc. We have our breakfast, quite good I might add. Then being a smoker I tell him I would like to sit outside to smoke, so we move to a table outdoors behind restaurant, overlooking, golf course and a pond thing with a live crocodile on the side. My husband says who would golf here with loose crocs. The salesman says oh there are only about 4 of them and we feed them very well. Oh okay, if you say so!!! LOL.

Now the saleman proceeds to ask us what we might be interested in buying for time...like full time, half year, quarter year, month etc. We ask how much for full time 1.8 million. I laugh and tell him you have to be kidding, I can build a house on the ocean for that. He says well probably but people like our concept due to no maintenance. ( Oh I am sure they do since there are no units to live in LOL. ) So we tell him how about a month, well at preconstruction prices that is only 149, 000 for 400 weeks ( wow what a deal). He tells us we will never have to pay maintenance fees again, never have to spend another dime. Then he says he wants to take our current timeshares as downpayments, we give the no way to that one. All right then if you just give me $45, 000 now or some now and then pay in full the $45,000 in 4 months, 400 weeks are yours. He then tells us that when construction is complete he will buy back our unit at 75% of current market rate which will be more than we invested of course as the market always goes up. My husband says oh really have you seen what is occurring in the states right now, he ignores the comment. Proceeds to show us a Conde Nast book as a trading book and also some book by a company with name Johanna;s ( never heard of it), anyway says we can trade in with these companies till construction completed. My husband says and when will that be....he says about 18 months. Also tells us we can trade in our weeks for airline tickets, tickets to the Patriots ( we are from New England) ( really they are always sold out hmm..) , hotels, restaurants on and on....okay so I say I never heard of those exchange companies.....oops guess wrong track for salesman changes subject....tells us when you use your unit you just pay $399-$499 USE fee, and $66. per person per day for mandantory all inclusive in their restaurant and also (are you ready???? LOL) EVERY Restaurant in the Marina!!!! ( This guy must think we just got off the boat from never, never land). I say to him well why AI, do the units not have kitchens??? He says oh yes, beautiful ones, do you want to see a unit....duh....you think I am going to pay you a dime and not see anything....this is really quite comical to me and hubby!

Off we go to top floor of restaurant......view units. Kitchens and such are definately state of the art, absolutely beautiful units.....just no water, no faucets, etc. Okay we tell him yes they are very nice. He says what size unit would you like, we tell him a one bedroom, oh that is price he gave us...okay lets get back to table with questions and such. On way down we pass an area of glass enclosed room with many about 20, computers running, all manned by a person. I find this strange since they have no units, all these computers running and such. I say to hubby quite the operation in there huh...salesman's ears perk up he says WHAT? My husband thought I was talking about A/C units so he says she said great A/C operation. I repeat my statement to my husband and now he gets it and the salesman again gets all nervous, hubby just repeats same thing to him. This is all too weird to me...

Back at table, my husband says look I am a bit confused.....you have not one functioning unit, no faucets, and only 5 men working. The saleman asks me would you be comfortable in one of the units I showed you, I replied well yes of course if they were functioning. He says well some people would not as they are afraid of breaking anything or they feel too elegant. I told him well they are not too elegant for me. He proceeds to tell me how each unit will also have a storage garage type area for things they want to store there like photos etc. (Hmmm...wonder where those will go and where they will fit.) Since the salesman ignored my husbands question he repeats to him and also points out not on beach and well we like the beach. Oh no problem, we are going to have a private beach club and each owner or unit will have its own golf cart to go there. Hubby says really well how do you plan to do that, where will you store them, a few hundred golfcarts require quite a bit of parking and how will you access a private beach club and where will it be, he of course points down golf course.....so hubby points out well the development next door's pool is abutting the golf course so did you buy a portion of golf course . Salesman says no, but we bought right of passage and will ba making a small road....hubby says well then some of it will be right on golf course, salesman says no. Hubby points out well then you have a problem cause at some point over there you will have less than 2 feet, must be very skinny golf carts. Salesman says no problem we have it all worked out. Okey dokey!!! Then my husband asks him and where is the pool going, your model shows a pool. The saleman replies oh the pool will have sand around it and all to make it like a beach...oh good but where is it going to be we ask? He says well..This existing building ( where the Bagotti Restaurant is), is going to be torn down because we are sitting on the pool area! I repied oh well what a waste.....he said oh no we will be resourceful....(Oh I bet they will).

Now saleman says so what do you think want to get in on this deal. My husband says I am a builder and well frankly I do not buy preconstruction, I have seen many builders go under without completing a project. Salesman assures us oh not here. I will show you contract and all we are covered by Sector and of course Profeco ( red light), then he says but of course Profeco can only do so much then you have to go to mexico's Supreme Court, and pay expensive lawyer fees and all. ( are we really hearing this right?) Contract is given to my husband and he glances through it, it is over 8 pages long, my husband points out that it states something about buyer not owning any of land, building and other such stuff...salesman says oh do not worry about that we are covered for everything. (Oh I bet he is but what about buyers, all they are buying is the right to use land, buildings and such) ( this is not sounding good). Husband asks me do I want to read contract , I declined and said I am not reading all that and I am confused on this whole offer, as well as the fact I heard this place was under construction for over 2 years now and this is all that is done? Plus you tell us it will be complete in 18 months well I know Mexico and that is quite quick especially with a crew of what 5 guys you have. Now the saleman proceeds to tell us well they had problem, as they found out they have to go forty feet or something in to ground, as it is different here, the ground is different etc. My husband says and you did not know this when architect drew up plans and you got permits etc. So salesman proceeds to tell us no so next week we have machines going to be putting in pilasters ( sorry if incorrect name, husband not here to help me and no I did not write it down oops). Husband mentioned yes, I see that machine but it has been sitting in same place for whole time we have been here. So saleman tells us, yes we are starting next week cause we had problem with developer so now we have a builder/developer from Spain called IDOM. They will complete project in 18 months. They are all brains and they are the only company in the world that can build nuclear plants in Europe. I said well you are not building a nuclear plant! He said well I just want you to see how smart they are. Oh okay. I proceed to tell him I thought you had to hire Nationals, you know Mexicans for labor. He said oh yes we will and are, we are just using IDOm for the brains end, you know the big guys.

At just this moment a plane goes over head and my husband looks up.....so salesman says...( are you ready for this one???) , oh do not worry about that as they are going to be moving the airport. I said what? they are moving airport where? He said well the airport will still be there but just for small planes, but they are building one airport about 15 miles from here to the north, to NV. ( Hmm...I think that is just about where the militarty camp is), and they are building another airport on the south side of PV ( again hmmm...on the mountainside, cliff). He tells us you know the way to NV is prime building area and they will also be putting in a road to NV to bypass the traffic problem so that it will take no more than 3 minutes to get to Nuevo Vallarta. ( I really think I am being told some tall tales, but I'll say nothing and play the game). He then tells us the timeshare people will all be taken out of the airports, the new ones ( okay that would be good heheh) and also street timeshares salespeople will also be removed and gotten rid of so there will be no more of that. ( okay if he says so, but I'll believe it when I see it).

So he says, so what do you think? My husband says I think I do not buy preconstruction as I told you, I also feel as though this all sounds too good to be true and well in US we say if it sounds too good to be true it is!!! RUN!! He says well it is not too good to be true let me re-explain.

$145,000US for 4 weeks /year total of 400 weeks, this includes a 15% discount, no taxes, no closing costs. $25. charge for GOLF anywhere in the world, "do you golf?" ( we say NO). down payment of $35,000 with 4 months to pay, or you can get a corporate card thur us to pay with 3% interest. Do you like spas? ( we say yes), oh it also includes any spa anywhere in world as much as you want including massages for just $75./day. ( sounds too good to be true) Guaranteed $2000.US per week rentals and the money can be put in LLoyds of London here in Mexico which is an offshore account to avoid taxes. ( Now there is a Lloyds in Mexico, and investment company but I do not think it has any affilaition with Lloyds of London??) In 2 years we will buy back your unit at 75% of what you paid but at current inflation rate, so you WILL make a lot of money, and then you will be asked if you want to invest in our next project, cause we will be doing them in Cabo, Mayan Riviera, Huatulco, and somewhere else. Rememebr we are regulated by Sector and of course profeco. We are members of USA, Canada & Spain Better Business Bureau. ( I had to ask and not Mexico?, he said well of course Mexico Better Business Bureau too).

Do you understand now, he asks us. We answer yes. You have 5 men working, you have machinery that does not move, you have already had a 2 year delay, you have no functioning units and you show us trading companies we have never heard of and you want a lot of money with nothing to give right now in return, and the only building you have you are going to tear down, And we do not buy preconstruction. So we are not interested but we will be back in July to Puerto Vallarta and we will check it out then. cont..

 

[pammex]

He says well in July it will be so much higher. Husband says why, you will still be preconstruction, he says cause we will be sold out or almost. So we tell him well we will take our chances. We just are not interested at this point. He says well how about you give me $35,000 down payment today and when you come in July if you do not like progress of construction I will give you back $38, 000 US. You will make money in only a few months. ( Too good to be true) We again said No, sorry but this is just not for us. Maybe it is not for anyone right now. He finally said okay, well lets move inside so I can sign you out. How did you get an offer of 4000 pesos anyway, usually they only give 2000 pesos. We said no clue but I told man I was sleeping in and he asked what would it take to get me out of bed and I told him 4000 pesos and he said okay. The salesman sai oh I see, I asked cause there are some people that just do this to make money to pay for their vacations and now in the US when you cross the border, immigration is going to check if you have made money on timeshare presentations so you have to pay the taxes. My husband replied the US is going to do this to everyone, that would take a lot of time, work and research. He said oh no, not to everyone just those that fit the profile. Yes, we asked and what profile would that be? He said married, dual income, 2 credit cards, etc. ( Now this is totally absurd, I have heard enough). We said oh I see, well we will be sure to tell them we came here, if they profile us!

Seats us at yet another table.....where another man comes over, oh I am sorry to hear you are not interested in our fractional or full time ownership plan, but I have a great deal for you for now and then later you can convert over, how about I take one or more of your timeshares off your hands and give you one of ours with no maintenance fees ( haha remember the USE fee), we said absolutely not, we like our timeshares we have. He then said well how about another one, we said well maybe but not here since you have no units, he proceeded to tell us we could exchange until complete and for just $840US for a transition fee ( no clue what that is? ) and $5000. US we could have a timshare with him for a total of 52 weeks, which you will probably use 2 times then you'll send friends and such which will give us "fresh meat". ( Can you imagine we are going to send him our friends for fresh meat). So we tell him look, we are not interested in anything here at this time, we will see what has happened by July and we already know July will be too late but we will take our chances. He says oh okay and escorts us outside to a table and tells us to wait for our gifts. We sat for about 15 minutes, thinking they were not going to pay us the 4000 pesos but then lo and behold out came a woman who promptly paid us.

We drove away, happy with our money and laughing over some of the issues and then thinking of all who have invested and we were no longer laughing.

We truly hope this is for real and goes as they say but IMHO...this is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!! I wish I had better info to report. I hope we are totally wrong and missing out on the opportunity of a lifetime.( but of course then there will be Cabo and Mayan Riviera etc...)

I will try tomorrow night or over weekend to post pics of site etc., that I took. cont..

 

[pammex]

We went shopping in PV with our pesos after this and we ended up talking with a timeshare street salesman, well of course, since they are everwhere. We asked him, hey what do you think of that place they call Belair....he laughed and this is and I quote " OH that scam", we told him what we had been told about airport and he laughed and then he said do you know where south side is, we said yes, of course. We also told him about the removal of timeshare salesmen from airport and streets and he said well might be good idea to try to get them out of airport since people do not like that upon immediate arrival but I think they will remain on the streets or there will be no business for resorts to sell their timeshares. I found his comments interesting.

If this is for real, well then I am really dumb...and if it is not then I am sorry for those of you involved.

I'll give another update in July of this year and get on uploading those pictures.

I do want to add here...buyer beware, be informed, JOIN tug! I own many timeshares in Mexico and US and have never had a problem, so who knows maybe this will in the end turn out to be the same.........

 

[Linda74]

I was in PV last week. We took the Belaire tour. We don't usually do tours but they offered us $4700 pesos and were very persistent so we caved.. What they have is a mock up of the units and a restaurant. When our salesman learned what I had paid for my timeshares (resale and EBAY), he
said you really would not be interested in this place. I said "You don't have any real resort to show me and that is a big concern." He said they had just affilitated with a resort called HSI. Anyway, they started at $170,000 and the whole no maintenance fee for life for the first 400 owners. Obviously, there are lies being told. They said Mayan Palace hates them because they are taking their members away. There must be some MP relation because I am sure the MP bracelets we had on are what caused the timeshare shark in the Marina to be so agressive and up the "prize" money. I met someone in PV who said they move the equipment around to make it look like progress is being made. We were told that construction would begin in 4 days. (That was on March 3). I think things are a little shady at Belaire.

 

[Linda74]

One more "too good to be true" statement from our Belaire tour. They said that if we bought a $50,000 contract, they would buy it back each year for $65,000 and we could repurchase a different unit for $50,000. That alone was a red flag. I hope all works out for those who purchased there but I would be wary.

 

[Karen G]

Thanks, Pam and Linda for all your information. At times I've wondered if threads about Bellaire were just trying to drum up business for the place, but with all the information you and others have provided, it is clear that's not happening here on TUG.

Thanks again for taking the time and effort to report your experiences.

 

[Linda74]

Our tour was pretty much identical to Pam's. We were accosted at the Mayan Palace booth in the Marina to take it. I know also that if you go to the Cofradia (Tequilla Store) in the Marina or downtown, the salespeople will try to snag you to doing the Belaire tour and a few others as well. There is another one also, a holiday club called Star in Bucerias. We did that one also(pumped up after earning $4700 pesos at Belaire). That one is really of a scam and about 4 couples had to wait 2 hours to get the $3500 peso's promised. We were put through 8 different sales people who became increasingly more rude. They want to see you have three credit cards, I guess the feeling is if they can sell, they get you to max out the credit cards. This one takes place in an older resort in Bucerias (with a beautiful view, however). They have no mockup only try to take your timeshares and sell you their club which has no value and is essentially an RCI membership. It is really run by shady characters with no upscale feeling to the resort. Bottom line, you have to know what you are doing to attend these sales pitches. Thank goodness, we have our TUG knowledge and history of buying resale to match the lies told. It was an experience and with 2 weeks in PV this time, we did come away with $8200 pesos, not bad for about 5 hours work. Would we do it again???Probably not, but it had been so long since we took a tour, I actually enjoyed bantering with the crooked salespeople. My husband is of a different mindset. He considered the time torture and would not do again.

 

[What a Joke]

Belaire

thought i would share this with the tugg members. I have been reading your posts about belaire. I have been in puerto vallarta many times on vacation over the past 10 yrs and i have toured most of the properties. we decided to tour belaire to see what the place is about. well i arrived and was told this is so different then timeshare..the normal thing all resorts say. ..as i was touring the property we asked who is the owner ..they said mr. copella..i asked where he is from and what resorts he has done before . my salesguy responded with oh a few in cancun ect ect ..then he said do you want to meet the owner . I agreed and out came the owner ..just like that. Then i almost fell on the floor ..mr. copella the owner was the same guy who took my wife and i on a tour in mayan palace where we are owners. !! i was in shock. ..he told us how is so wealthy and make millions a yr and builds and ect ect . (i was thinking are you kidding me ! ) i was hoping he didnt reconize us ..and he went on about how he can make us so much money and not pay taxes. ect ect ..(sounds fishy to me. ) and after knowing he was my sales person at the mayan all interest was lost .. and i was thinking ..how many people came here and believed all this junk. needless to say we didnt buy anything ..after we said no they offered us the entire deal for 6000usd ..lol ok 130,000usd to 6,000 wow ..now theres value!!!. we dicided to take some pics and here they are of the construction they say is underway . No body there working just metal & a show room.

 

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[pammex]

Sorry as you can see I am having problems with getting pics here, sorry for duplicate....I have been trying for over 4 hours now to get 7 pics on here....

 

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[pammex]

Well that is the best I can do with pics. I better take a computer class instead of timeshare pitch, my this is hard. As you can see from pics, just a bit of equipment, lots of dirt, junk hanging around etc.....believe me I have seen many building projects in Mexico and this is just a show. I have heard they move equipment around as well to make it look as though work being done but for the two weeks I was there, everything was still and well maybe rusting away except the 5 sole workers with shovels and empty water bottle and the people in the salesroom of course.

Linda74 good for you in seeing the real deal here "mock up units", perfect choice of words, wish I had thought of it. HSI is kind of like an exchange or rental company, you have to buy a membership, I have one. Cannot imagine how they could be part of them since they have nothing to offer for units. I'll pop them an email and ask.

KarenG ( mod) goodness I hope this site is not being used to drum up business for them after all the time I have put into getting info for these poor people who took their bait. Oh my..

I recheck and update status in July when I return to PV, but maybe not pics unless I figure out an easier way to do it...LOL...

I have to get something else done now, so good luck to everyone who did purchase at Belair, hope in some way my info helps, but not sure how it will...

 

[pammex]

Forgot I tried to take out duplicate picture but I can't do that either, maybe a moderator can or just leave it...whatever...sorry!!!

 

[KarenLK]

Since I was in PV for 7 weeks, I thought I would go to a presentation or two ... anywhere but Mayan Palace. I saw some people from Royal Holiday Club, some Mayan Palace huts, but was not approached even once and we were really interested in the cash!!
Pam, I looked for you and asked a lot of people in baseball hats, but I did not connect.

 

[pammex]

Sorry I missed you KarenLK, maybe next time. We'll have to plan a better way to find each other though as guess lots of baseball caps are worn LOL.

Wow, I cannot believe you could not get to a presentation, did you walk the malecon?