Belaire Golf Resort & Spa

[Karen G]

I need some input here - the following is the pitch (seems way to good to be true) -

If it seems too good to be true, it probably is false. Don't fall for it.

If you did fall for it and you are within your five-day right of recission, rescind the contract. Read the information about Mexico right-of-recission at the top of the Mexico forum.

 

[GS&CR]

Belaire

Just wondering if anyone that is a owning at Belaire...has Belaire offered to
put you up somewhere else for the 2008 year in PV? If so which resort and was there a cost to you?

Thanks

 

[Archie583]

Belaire

We purchased at Belaire and we told them that we found a Condo in the marina for two thousand dollars for four weeks. We paid for the condo and Belaire reimbursed us the two thousand dollars by crediting our credit card. So far Belaire has treated us very good.

Henry and Joyce

 

[jeanbean]

I have requested a reservation for Oct. of this year, and they are suppose to be sending me a list of resorts comparable to Belaire that I can reserve for my 2008 use year. I'm skeptical, but we'll see.

Jeanbean

 

[jeanbean]

Maybe there is hope for all of us. Thanks for the information.

Jeanbean

 

[GS&CR]

Belaire

Thanks for the info! Lets keep our fingers crossed! I have requested for time in PV for March lets see what they come back with!

Thanks

 

[SteveHCMM]

Thanks for the info! Lets keep our fingers crossed! I have requested for time in PV for March lets see what they come back with!

Thanks

How did you go about requesting the time?

 

[Dutch43]

We just came from Puerto Vallarta and were treated well by Belaire. They are working on the two towers. Part of the delay was explained that they switched construction companies. They now have a company from Spain heading it up and it is going well!! We met the person heading it up and working with Belaire. We are anxious to see the final product. We know it will be awesome! This is just the start of something big!

Thank you Antonio, Carlos and Niko!
Ed and Phyllis

 

[brucecz]

What did you mean by Quote "They are working on the two towers. " Unquote? What has acually been done in regards of construction? On what date did they hire the new company? When did the new company start the physical construction work of rerecting the "Two Towers" and how far are they? Thanks for the update.


I do find it very interesting after all these months that with all of the many "Vacation type " projects that exist in there no companies in the PV area or in all of Mexico that were deemed not capable enough of doing this "Project".

Which type of package did you puchase?

I do find it interresting that another new person first post on Tug is again about the Belaire. Did the Belaire happen to mention Tug and that is how you found this string.


Bruce

We just came from Puerto Vallarta and were treated well by Belaire. They are working on the two towers. Part of the delay was explained that they switched construction companies. They now have a company from Spain heading it up and it is going well!! We met the person heading it up and working with Belaire. We are anxious to see the final product. We know it will be awesome! This is just the start of something big!

Thank you Antonio, Carlos and Niko!
Ed and Phyllis

 

[needavacation]

I agree with Bruce. That dude joined on the same day he posted with his praises of Belaire.

Ed and Phyllis, I'm glad that they treated you so great because they have given me nothing but bad customer service since they received our money. All I want is a confirmation for my exchange request. But, your people (I'm sure that you must be Carlos) will not return my emails. You people need to be honest. Tell us the truth. The Mexican government need to make you give us our money back. If you don't start booking vacations for us you will get some free advertisement and won't have to pay $400 to get people to come to your presentations. You'll be on 20/20 or dateline. You won't get another member from America. Don't think about coming after me. One of my best friends work for the FBI and he is right next to me reading this.

 

[brucecz]

We just came from Puerto Vallarta and were treated well by Belaire. They are working on the two towers. Part of the delay was explained that they switched construction companies. They now have a company from Spain heading it up and it is going well!! We met the person heading it up and working with Belaire. We are anxious to see the final product. We know it will be awesome! This is just the start of something big!

Thank you Antonio, Carlos and Niko!
Ed and Phyllis

Please post some pictures showing the erection progress that you said was now being made on building of two the of towers that you mentioned in your email.

If you do not have any pictures and seeing that you were "treated well by Belaire" I am sure either Antonio, Carlos and Niko would be :whoopie: happy to post some pictures on this string of the progress made.

This might assure the people who have posted that they have bought at the Belaire that progress had been made as stated as per your first posting.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation in getting those construction progress pictures posted on this string asap.

Bruce

 

[Dutch43]

We found TUG 4 months when we were exploring some new things to do in PV. We have owned at Belaire since Jan. '07. We own 4 weeks per year in a 3 bedroom. We had no problem getting 2 weeks in a very nice condo on the beach in the Marina area that Belaire found for us. We were there the 3rd and 4th week of Jan. '08. Karla did a very good job of putting this together for us.We have had superb service from everybody at Belaire.
My first post was on the day we joined. I got tired of the negative comments and wanted to let people know that Belaire is accomadating their members. Keep up the good work Belaire.

Ed and Phyllis

PS My name is not Carlos

 

[SteveHCMM]

Thanks for the info! Lets keep our fingers crossed! I have requested for time in PV for March lets see what they come back with!

Thanks

I have requested a reservation for Oct. of this year, and they are suppose to be sending me a list of resorts comparable to Belaire that I can reserve for my 2008 use year. I'm skeptical, but we'll see.

Jeanbean

GS&CR, Jeanbean,

Have either of you heard anything positive from Belaire regarding your requests?

 

[brucecz]

We found TUG 4 months when we were exploring some new things to do in PV. We have owned at Belaire since Jan. '07. We own 4 weeks per year in a 3 bedroom. We had no problem getting 2 weeks in a very nice condo on the beach in the Marina area that Belaire found for us. We were there the 3rd and 4th week of Jan. '08. Karla did a very good job of putting this together for us.We have had superb service from everybody at Belaire.
My first post was on the day we joined. I got tired of the negative comments and wanted to let people know that Belaire is accomadating their members. Keep up the good work Belaire.

Ed and Phyllis

PS My name is not Carlos

Gee Ed, did someone call you or say you were Carlos on this string? Really, I missed it if someone did. Please direct everyone to the post number in this string were someone called you Carlos.

I am surprised that you did not post when you first found Tug to let everyone know what a great deal and treatment that you have received.

Are right now in Puerto Vallarta or at home?

So can we assume that you forgot to post pictures of the consrtuction erection progress that up said was going on? Quoting again "They are working on the two towers." Unquote.

So again I am requesting that you please post those pictures of the the progress that you alluded to in your first posting.


If you do not have any pictures to post then if you do mind me quoting you
Quote "We have had superb service from everybody at Belaire. My first post was on the day we joined. I got tired of the negative comments and wanted to let people know that Belaire is accomadating their members. Keep up the good work Belaire." Unquote

Then I am sure the Bellaire staff if requested by you will be happy to send progress pictures immediately to you to post and this string to reasure all of the other owners who seem not to enjoy the "Superb Service" you claim to.
As per your post the Bellaire will be "accomadating " your request for pictures immediately.


I doubt that they will themselves after they got caught red handed on the other string posing :rofl: :rofl: as buyers. Could that have been Carlos doing those postings coming from Puerto Vallarta?

What is your response to their lack of honesty and ethics to them getting caught red handed lying ?

The person that claimed to be a buyer from California posted after he was exposed said months ago that when he returned home he would post from California. He has not posted under the same name.

Are you now in Puerto Vallarta or at home? Ifin PV you could send some right up to date pictures of that progress. Thanks again for the update progress.

Bruce

 

[Dutch43]

Bruce check #35. "I'm sure that you must be Carlos". As I stated we were in PV the 3rd and 4th week of Jan. '07. All I can do is tell you how good our requests have been handled. I have no reason to bad mouth the folks at Belaire. I did not take any pictures of the progress.

Ed

 

[brucecz]

Bruce check #35. "I'm sure that you must be Carlos". As I stated we were in PV the 3rd and 4th week of Jan. '07. All I can do is tell you how good our requests have been handled. I have no reason to bad mouth the folks at Belaire. I did not take any pictures of the progress.

Ed

Well most that said they bought there posted pretty much opposite of what you posted in regards to the way they feel they have been treated lately.

Seeing you knew about the first string about the Bellaire I am very surprized that you did not take pictures of the Towers constuction progress.

You were the one that choose to post about the progress but did not take pictures as proof. That does not help to convince that real construction progress is finally being made after about one year of selling.

I do understand those other peoples concerns. If you read why some cancelled their contacts with good reason after reading the one sided legal terms of that contract that I am so very gald that I recinded.

I note you want debate that someone called Carlos but you say that do not have any pictures or offer to send for them to prove your point.

If there is really progress then it is in the Bellaires best interest for them to get those pictures posted here. But how high were the Towers when you are there.

Your silence of the Bellaires tactics and the lack of ethics by the Bellaire that have been apparent especially on the first string may leave some to doubt your agenda.

I do not thankfully have any money tied up but as per one of my postings on that first Bellarire string I posted how after I recinded they lied jerked us around and wasted quite a few hours of our time.

If you choose to ingnore or post about all of the other posters who posted about all of their problems with the Bellaire it does not help your creditabilty to seemingly be a Bellaire cheerleader.

Your posts IMHO are unbalanced in your seemingly blind support and lack proof of the progress that you said has been made.

You have skirted giving any real answers to our questions.

Bruce

 

[needavacation]

Ed,

I called you Carlos and until the rest of us receive the same treatment and vacations that you received, I will keep calling you Carlos. This is not rocket science. Out of all of the members posting on this board, you are the only one to receive emails, phone calls, trips and accommodations from Belaire. This is bogus, sounds like Carlos.

Since Belaire is treating you so great, please ask them to accommodate the rest of us. We would greatly appreciate it. I promise you that I will stop calling you Carlos if you can get them to give me vacation for this year.

 

[GS&CR]

Belaire

We e-mailed Belaire's member service e-mail.......after they never answered me I called there and talked to someone named Alexis. (Alexis is now the 6th
different person that we have had contact with they don't seem to keep people there) She did e-mail us back with 5 different places that we could stay at there(but with a cost to us). Now at the time of purchase we were told that if the place was not ready by the time we were coming back that Belaire would cover the cost which we did tell them that we were coming back in 2008 (that is not happening Belaire is not covering the cost) We purchase in Jan 07. We are going to PV on March 8 but we are not going with what Belaire offered. We are going on a package deal with a travel agent. We are planning on going to see the Resort and ask questions and see what kind of run around they will give us. Please if any of you have questions you would like us to ask. Please give them to us and we will ask!
We are trying very hard to beleive in this place....but.

 

[brucecz]

Bruce check #35. "I'm sure that you must be Carlos". As I stated we were in PV the 3rd and 4th week of Jan. '07. All I can do is tell you how good our requests have been handled. I have no reason to bad mouth the folks at Belaire. I did not take any pictures of the progress.

Ed

Did the Belaire send you the progress pictures we asked for? What should we assume if you can not get the pictures of the progress that you posted about the Belaire by this Friday? Thanks in advance Dutch for posting those construction progress pictures by or before this Friday.

Bruce

 

[washboy]

Hello All, I am a new poster to this string and my name is not "Carlos", at least not today... Just a quick bit of history. My wife and I are experienced presentation attendees. We spend several weeks a year in PV and we try to enjoy a presentation or two each week. We were in PV last December and had the opportunity to meet Antonio and his staff. Antonio attempted to prove to us that he was worth millions and that he would save us millions "by giving us free tax advice". Well Antonio, my wife made the determination that if we take your "advice" we would end up in prison.... where you Sir should be! is that why you are in PV and not the USA right now? Okay back to the story.... from the moment we got our $450 cash and walked away, we agreed that this deal was a SCAM! when we returned to the US, we began to research Belaire and found this string... and the rest is history. I check back on this string every month or so to see if there has been any new developments, but not to my surprise there has been none. I find it funny however that people keep investing in this project. Actually I take that back, it is sad. I know that folks who read this have probably already invested money, however my advise to those of you that just got off the plane and wanted to check up on your new investment... CALL YOUR CREDIT CARD COMPANY NOW AND CANCEL THE TRANSACTION!

Enough said, we will be back in PV in a month and I am thinking up something special for Carlos and Staff..... and idea's?

JT

 

[brucecz]

Hello All, I am a new poster to this string and my name is not "Carlos", at least not today... Just a quick bit of history. My wife and I are experienced presentation attendees. We spend several weeks a year in PV and we try to enjoy a presentation or two each week. We were in PV last December and had the opportunity to meet Antonio and his staff. Antonio attempted to prove to us that he was worth millions and that he would save us millions "by giving us free tax advice". Well Antonio, my wife made the determination that if we take your "advice" we would end up in prison.... where you Sir should be! is that why you are in PV and not the USA right now? Okay back to the story.... from the moment we got our $450 cash and walked away, we agreed that this deal was a SCAM! when we returned to the US, we began to research Belaire and found this string... and the rest is history. I check back on this string every month or so to see if there has been any new developments, but not to my surprise there has been none. I find it funny however that people keep investing in this project. Actually I take that back, it is sad. I know that folks who read this have probably already invested money, however my advise to those of you that just got off the plane and wanted to check up on your new investment... CALL YOUR CREDIT CARD COMPANY NOW AND CANCEL THE TRANSACTION!

Enough said, we will be back in PV in a month and I am thinking up something special for Carlos and Staff..... and idea's?

JT

Welcome.

Interesting. Was Marcos still with Bellaire Last December?

Or maybe Dutch43 could tell us if Marcos was still there even if Dutch43 can not get the Belaire to post some progress pictues to back up what Dutch43 posted about the progress.

I think they could afford it.

Bruce

 

[brucecz]

Bruce check #35. "I'm sure that you must be Carlos". As I stated we were in PV the 3rd and 4th week of Jan. '07. All I can do is tell you how good our requests have been handled. I have no reason to bad mouth the folks at Belaire. I did not take any pictures of the progress.

Ed

Dutch 43, it has been a week since we requested some pictures and you have not posted any progress pictures. Why is that?


Also it is almost going on a full 6 months after we were told directly by Marcos that they were very soon in less than a month be set up with the Registry Collectiom and 6 months later that has STILL has not happened as of today.

The Bellaire is now saying they now exchanging agreements with of TPI but the Tug Site TPI says rep says they are not joined in any way with the Bellaire.

They said they do not makes exchanges with places like the Bellaire that are not bulit and have no inventory to exchange.

Is ture that the Bellaire is thinking hiring the grounds keeper from Caddy Shack?

Dutch, I hope you are able to respond and answer all of my and everyone elses questions.

Bruce

 

[hobyhaus]

Belaire or what

We purchased over a year ago and were so hopeful. We worked with Isreal. amd wonder he still there? We have heard form him last summer which he said one week, the walls are being shipped from Mexico City, paperwork was to arrive shortly, on and on. Any new information would be so valuable. We were to have turned in three of our other weeks but declined to do so. At least for now. We plan to go to PV next March and were hoping to stay at Belaire. Forturnately we still own at Velas Vallarta:

 

[brucecz]

We purchased over a year ago and were so hopeful. We worked with Isreal. amd wonder he still there? We have heard form him last summer which he said one week, the walls are being shipped from Mexico City, paperwork was to arrive shortly, on and on. Any new information would be so valuable. We were to have turned in three of our other weeks but declined to do so. At least for now. We plan to go to PV next March and were hoping to stay at Belaire. Forturnately we still own at Velas Vallarta:

In light of many reports of what has Not Happened in regard to the Bellaire promises up to this point I find the salespersons name of "Is real" very ironic.

Hopefully for the posters who said they bought this project is real and will be built. But every day makes many of us feel better about our recinding. I wonder if on this string there are any shills posting for the Bellaire from Puerto Vallarta?

I suppose you did not know the name of the factory were the walls were being built? Do you mean that the walls have4 not shipped last summer as promised? I did not see those walls on site last September nor has any one reported seeing anything like walls on the job site as of a week ago. Maybe they have changed the wall builders loke they did contractors and instead of being built in Mexico City they are being built in Spain because Quoting Dutch 43 "They now have a company from Spain heading it up and it is going well!!" Unquote.

If there are no walls more than 6 months after promised deliverly I am pluzzled by Dutch 43 saying Quote " They now have a company from Spain heading it up and it is going well!!" Unquote

I think maybe Dutch 43 has left the:rofl: NON-Building.

Bruce

 

[SteveHCMM]

This is now on their site with some pictures.
http://www.belairevacationclub.com/belaire/News/newsfeb08.mht
(Note: at one point it says "One hundred and fifty members shared in the festivities of the grand opening." I find it strange that none of the members here were invited.)
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Letter from the Developer

Greetings to all members,

Please accept my sincere apologies on behalf of Belaire Vacation Club, The industry and all others concerned, for the inconvenience, the lack of communication and customer service. We would like to share the wonderful progress we have made in this past year.

With the construction in phase one, we completed the state of the art sales room; the award winning models which are of the finest design and spacious floor plans.

The inauguration party for the Bagotti Restaurant in December 2007, was held in honor of the members. One hundred and fifty members shared in the festivities of the grand opening.

I want to inform you as to the series of intense technical meetings with the Spanish Company IDOM, that we have been attending this past year. We have contracted IDOM for the architectural design and specializing in engineering studies of the executive project for the Belaire Resort foundation for the safety of the towers.

You must understand that when building a foundation of this magnitude incurs studying, reviewing the strategies, calculations, the layers of the earth, etc. The Preparation and the diligence, time and effort before one ever thinks about building.

There are layers of earth which lie in the abyss. The uncertainty of the stability of the weight of the towers. Also you must remember the budget, planning must enter in to the equation before ever starting the construction of phase two.

Finally we have all agreed that forty – four meters below the earth, has the safety requirements to support the foundation and insure the stability and guarantee the safety and protection which permits the start up of the construction in March 2008.

We want to thank you for your understanding and trust in our endeavor. We look forward to ensuring you with our personal service and we are looking forward to making all your dreams come true.

Yours Faithfully.