An odd thing about the number of new cases of coronavirus

[easyrider]

I'm intelligent enough to listen to all ideas about anything and make up my own mind if I care, which most of the time is not that much or not at all. The only thing I have turned off is the National news about a month ago. Instead of the MSM sensationalism we watch clips of what we want to know on you tube, local news and internet articles.

Many people I know spout off subjects they know nothing about and I'm ok with it. Occasionally I must be doing the same, lol.

Bill

 

[geekette]

I do not find it odd actually because of the media's obsession to report every detail that sometimes does not have any practical meaning. In the last 4 months there have been millions of unique articles, and of course somewhere in the world there were X number of new cases that day. Why was it important then, why is it important now? Not very important but it has contributed to the obsession and fear.


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If number of cases has no meaning to you, ok. But some of us are data-centric and have been following the numbers to make our own conclusions. I am not sure why reporting new data as news is in your mind a media obsession, vs, reporting news, which is their mission.

I don't know what fear and panic you are referring to, (who? how many? where?) , nor quite how such a thing in pandemic times would be attributed solely to the media, vs the reality that the virus is not contained and death toll mounts.

If you don't care how large that number is today, ok, nobody says you have to care. But knowing what it is today does not instill fear and panic in me, just gives me another data point along a most gruesome continuum whose final tally is not to be known for some time.

Perhaps people are scared as their family members die off, and aren't actually following any media, just living their lives as best they can.

 

[klpca]

So a serious question then - do you ever challenge the beliefs you hold?

Every day. I take a bit of pride (not too much though) in trying to see all sides in an argument. I almost always can. I am aware of my inherent biases. We all have them and there is no shame in that. But some folks are "my way or the highway" kind of folks and it is useless trying to give them another perspective. There is no interest in them hearing someone else's opinion - they always have a way to discredit the differing point of view. So I have decided to not engage with those folks - definitely in real life, and to some extent on the internet as well. I have told this before, my extended family is a family for whom arguing about *everything* is great sport. All views are backed up with *youtube videos* from someone that no one has ever heard of. My brother and dad are especially fond of telling me things like "well, no one is aware of this but I discovered it on youtube and if only the government would be aware they could <<insert some government policy here>>". I counter with some fact that can be traced back to a source (publication, peer reviewed research etc) but to them they are never credible sources. Then it's just rinse and repeat. I cannot compete with them - my dad watches youtube videos for 8+ hours per day. I am never going to change his mind about this stuff. So I just don't go there with folks who just want to argue and discredit - because that is the game they are playing and I'm not interested in playing along.

 

[WVBaker]

I think that all covid related threads have devolved into the "contentious social issues" category and I have no idea why they are allowed at this point. Eventually (or in some cases, quickly) it gets to 30+ pages of arguing with the same cast of characters and is finally shut down by a moderator. I for one, haven't learned anything new from these threads in months and I am purposely spending less time on TUG because of it. Not because it is covid, but because of the bickering. I don't need any more conflict in my life because it is everywhere - social media, the news, and a host of other message boards. It is ugly and I am sad that it has made it's way here.

You do understand that not one single person is dragging you, kicking and screaming, forcing you to open, read or participate in these threads. The solution would be to just avoid them at all costs. Yes, they can become quite contentious at times only because the topic is very important to those that participate. I for one, wouldn't insist that people not discuss a subject simply because I don't agree with it or care about it. The moderators have done a good job of allowing threads to continue in order that most get their say in regards to it.

Bickering, as you put it, can be quite useful as it allow expression of feelings. Which in turn gives us a better idea of the other person(s). Can I ask just one question? If this subject causes so much conflict, why would you even open the thread to begin with? Yes, there is so much conflict regarding this subject, do your best to avoid any thread that mentions this subject.

 

[klpca]

You do understand that not one single person is dragging you, kicking and screaming, forcing you to open, read or participate in these threads. The solution would be to just avoid them at all costs. Yes, they can become quite contentious at times only because the topic is very important to those that participate. I for one, wouldn't insist that people not discuss a subject simply because I don't agree with it or care about it. The moderators have done a good job of allowing threads to continue in order that most get their say in regards to it.

Bickering, as you put it, can be quite useful as it allow expression of feelings. Which in turn gives us a better idea of the other person(s). Can I ask just one question? If this subject causes so much conflict, why would you even open the thread to begin with? Yes, there is so much conflict regarding this subject, do your best to avoid any thread that mentions this subject.

You are right, this is on me and just today I learned that threads can be ignored. Perfect.

To answer your specific question I came to see if anything had changed (nope) and to express my opinion that these threads are contentious. For years the standard here was that threads about contentious social issues were prohibited. I personally feel that at this point the covid threads have become just as contentious as other topics that aren't allowed but that is just my personal opinion. No problem if others disagree, but I didn't make the contentious rule up myself. It's always been there and as threads have been continually locked by the moderators for being contentious my point is why let them go on for 30 pages in the first place?

I came back to the thread just to reply to this question but I won't be back to answer any more because I'm busy with my "real life". Carry on you purveyors of contentiousness! Enjoy the fun! And I mean that sincerely.

 

[bnoble]

Why not just ignore COVID related threads? You can do that now, ignore individual threads.

Several bits to this. I do ignore some COVID threads. I don't ignore all of them---and I don't even ignore some that are vigorous debates. I'm happy to have a reasonable disagreement, at least most ot he time. Instead, I put people on my ignore list if it looks like they are arguing dishonestly. My favorite current example of this is the Bread Lady (Warning for bad language.) Most of my ignore list is also not COVID related. For example, there are a good number of habitual Wyndham Arguers that I just don't bother reading anymore. That sometimes makes Wyndham threads hard to understand, but I almost always regret "Show ignored content" and have slowly learned not to do that.

(Edited to add: I have also discovered that while you can't put a Mod on your ignore list, you can put a thread they start on it.)

I only ignore people who inspire me to argue with them.

Exactly. The thing most of the folks on my ignore list have in common is that from where I sit they seem to do nothing to advance understanding, but instead seem interested only in creating disagreement. My energy is worth more than to spend it thinking about those people. And, I've found that most of them find this very upsetting, because ultimately what they seem to want is attention. I do have a few people on it because all they do is complain endlessly about everyone and everything. That, too, is not worth my energy.

I come to TUG to learn more about timeshares, and to entertain myself a little bit. If you aren't contributing to that, I am not going to spend my attention on it. If I want to learn about opinions other than my own, I will go to news sites across a range of the ideological spectrum. For example, it's often interesting to compare how WSJ covers the day's news to how NYT does. Neither is extreme, but they are definitely different.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Several bits to this. I do ignore some COVID threads. I don't ignore all of them---and I don't even ignore some that are vigorous debates. I'm happy to have a reasonable disagreement, at least most ot he time. Instead, I put people on my ignore list if it looks like they are arguing dishonestly. My favorite current example of this is the Bread Lady (Warning for bad language.) Most of my ignore list is also not COVID related. For example, there are a good number of habitual Wyndham Arguers that I just don't bother reading anymore. That sometimes makes Wyndham threads hard to understand, but I almost always regret "Show ignored content" and have slowly learned not to do that.

(Edited to add: I have also discovered that while you can't put a Mod on your ignore list, you can put a thread they start on it.)


Exactly. The thing most of the folks on my ignore list have in common is that from where I sit they seem to do nothing to advance understanding, but instead seem interested only in creating disagreement. My energy is worth more than to spend it thinking about those people. And, I've found that most of them find this very upsetting, because ultimately what they seem to want is attention. I do have a few people on it because all they do is complain endlessly about everyone and everything. That, too, is not worth my energy.

I come to TUG to learn more about timeshares, and to entertain myself a little bit. If you aren't contributing to that, I am not going to spend my attention on it. If I want to learn about opinions other than my own, I will go to news sites across a range of the ideological spectrum. For example, it's often interesting to compare how WSJ covers the day's news to how NYT does. Neither is extreme, but they are definitely different.

Absolutely. I agree with all of that. I look at a variety of news sources, and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Today's news is skewed to the right and the left.

I only ignore one person on TUG, and it's a person who rarely posts anymore because I don't see that message about ignored content very often. I assume that person has found another venue to berate people who disagree with him.

 

[BJRSanDiego]

I believe numbers are made up, especially after seeing that current cases are counted sometimes X 15. So if you are in the hospital, they test you daily before releasing you. Each and every test you have is counted in the numbers as a new positive case. That is what is really going on. So one person with Covid can have many tests, and each is counted as a new case. I must watch different news from other people here on TUG.

The hysteria is outrageous, and I know I will be moderated because I don't agree with 75% of the people on TUG.

I find it frustrating that the data is tainted in a bunch of ways. I have a math and science background and find it hard to draw solid conclusions from crappy data.

 

[SmithOp]

It certainly sounds logical. I have to admit it was a big surprise seeing that the quote was attributed to comedian John Cleese.

It popped up when I was looking up “virtue signalling”.

I ignore people that have “last word” syndrome, that way they get the last word in and I never see it.


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[CPNY]

So a friend of mine received a text from her friend today. Her and her 3 friends went to get a test (asymptomatic). They filled out the paperwork and waited over an hour. They gave up without taking the test and left (in Florida). They all received results of positive infections from tests they NEVER took. What is happening? Reminds me of the president in the small country who tested a jack fruit and it came back positive.

 

[Monykalyn]

HOLD ON TUGGERS!!!!

A MODERATOR has started thread on Covid.

OMG you made me snort laugh-
*I swear I am at home and only spewing potential grandma killing theoretical germs at my husband.

Each and every test you have is counted in the numbers as a new positive case. That is what is really going on. So one person with Covid can have many tests, and each is counted as a new case. I must watch different news from other people here on TUG.

It is really hard to find data on this-one newspaper in Florida says this is the case, another sight says the repeat tests for same person is taken out? It would be nice if it was consistent as I suspect employers are starting to require negative tests prior to return to work.

It's a new game! COVID number Bingo! Take a 3 digit number, add <new> <cases>, and see how many hits you find on Google!

Surprise you friends! See who can get the highest number? . . . .

#567->17,100,000 hits in 0.96 seconds! This could be fun!

I actually think the ILLUMINATI is behind this.

Funny story-few years ago in Chicago asked a cab driver what his favorite deep dish pizza was (that is also a hotly debated topic) and we thought he said "illuminati"-had such a heavy Chicago accent. Turns out it is "Lou Malnati's" and it was very very good!

Boomer Naturals dot com

Ummm afraid to google this...

hey all received results of positive infections from tests they NEVER took. What is happening? Reminds me of the president in the small country who tested a jack fruit and it came back positive.

LOL on the florida one, and do a google about jack fruit-who knew it caused so many injuries?? But apparently Tanzania has had major issues with reliability of its tests and lab. A papaya came back positive for covid. The jack fruit was "inconclusive" although the bird and goat were also positive.

 

[PigsDad]

I actually think the ILLUMINATI is behind this.

It's a well known fact that Denver International Airport is the headquarters for the Illuminati.

5 Wild Conspiracy Theories About Denver International Airport

From secret tunnels full of lizard people to a cursed horse statue, these are the most popular Denver Airport conspiracy theories.

www.travelandleisure.com

Kurt

 

[bbodb1]

It's a well known fact that Denver International Airport is the headquarters for the Illuminati.

5 Wild Conspiracy Theories About Denver International Airport

From secret tunnels full of lizard people to a cursed horse statue, these are the most popular Denver Airport conspiracy theories.

www.travelandleisure.com

Kurt

...or at least the eternal home of their baggage......

 

[Panina]

So a friend of mine received a text from her friend today. Her and her 3 friends went to get a test (asymptomatic). They filled out the paperwork and waited over an hour. They gave up without taking the test and left (in Florida). They all received results of positive infections from tests they NEVER took. What is happening? Reminds me of the president in the small country who tested a jack fruit and it came back positive.

For real? If so, that says it all.

 

[DannyTS]

So a friend of mine received a text from her friend today. Her and her 3 friends went to get a test (asymptomatic). They filled out the paperwork and waited over an hour. They gave up without taking the test and left (in Florida). They all received results of positive infections from tests they NEVER took. What is happening? Reminds me of the president in the small country who tested a jack fruit and it came back positive.

It would be interesting to find out if the lab also got paid for those tests.

 

[CPNY]

For real? If so, that says it all.

One friend from Florida sent me the text she received from the friend and I sent it to another person in FLL I know and she told me “that’s the 3rd time she’s heard that” add in the fact that many labs admitted to not reporting negative results ( drives the positive percentage lower) and here we have it. Test more find more. More asymptomatic people are getting tested just to get tested. Let’s not forget this is coinciding with islands opening up and demanding test results for travel. Student athletes are heading back to school and are being tested. Many are coming up positive. Two months ago, a test wasn’t easy or warranted. Now it’s happen more which is good.

 

[CPNY]

It would be interesting to find out if the lab also got paid for those tests.

Of course they did.

 

[Talent312]

I saw an interview of a Florida ER doc who said this about the numbers...
In Florida, to determine the positivity rate, the state only counts 1-positive per individual, no matter how many times they test positive (fair enuff), but for the denominator, every negative result, even multiple negatives from the same individual is counted. Also, if someone in a hospital is admitted with a diagnosis of COVED and something other than COVID (like pregnancy), the COVID diagnosis is listed as secondary and not counted.

IOW, the truth is out there, but who's to say what it is.
.

 

[davidvel]

In San Diego county the total positive tests (no not total cases people), is the highest its been since testing began (first week of March), the percentage positive (7%) is as high as its been since testing began.

And yet, the COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations are the lowest since testing began.

 

[CPNY]

In San Diego county the total positive tests (no not total cases people), is the highest its been since testing began (first week of March), the percentage positive (7%) is as high as its been since testing began.

And yet, the COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations are the lowest since testing began.

More asymptomatic people are getting tested. Also, I went for a physical this week and got a covid test. Didn’t ask for one, they just gave it. They need to start reporting asymptomatic positive cases. Just hearing “positive” cases is a ploy imo. The shut down was to not burden the health system. If as you say hospitalizations are lowest, we were successful in getting ahead of the curve and not overloading the system. No need to be alarmed eh?

 

[PcflEZFlng]

In San Diego county the total positive tests (no not total cases people), is the highest its been since testing began (first week of March), the percentage positive (7%) is as high as its been since testing began.

And yet, the COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations are the lowest since testing began.

Where are you seeing that hospitalizations for our county are lowest since testing began? According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, hospitalizations have been mostly steady but they are up since June.

 

[CPNY]

Where are you seeing that hospitalizations for our county are lowest since testing began? According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, hospitalizations have been mostly steady but they are up since June.
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Are they admitting people into the hospitals and ICU that they would have sent home in March? They were sending people home with o2 levels of 85. Now they will admit for two nights for observation with a 92

 

[pedro47]

And look how well that has worked so far...

Kurt

So a friend of mine received a text from her friend today. Her and her 3 friends went to get a test (asymptomatic). They filled out the paperwork and waited over an hour. They gave up without taking the test and left (in Florida). They all received results of positive infections from tests they NEVER took. What is happening? Reminds me of the president in the small country who tested a jack fruit and it came back positive.

These peoples sure report this to the Florida State Attorney General Office, if this is true. The lab company submit a fake Payment bill to the state of Florida for payment and no services were render. This is called fraud. Documentation to the Attorney Office is there written test results. That they allegedly never took place. IMO.

 

[dmbrand]

Has anyone seen this article? It just adds to the confusion we all face everyday. I don’t know what is true anymore. Sigh.

‘That scenario is nonsense.’ No proof exists for rumors about positive COVID results with no actual tests

In the last two weeks, social media has been buzzing with people who claim they left a COVID-19 test site because of a long line, and then received a positive test result. While this scenario sound…

www.sun-sentinel.com

 

[CPNY]

Has anyone seen this article? It just adds to the confusion we all face everyday. I don’t know what is true anymore. Sigh.

‘That scenario is nonsense.’ No proof exists for rumors about positive COVID results with no actual tests

In the last two weeks, social media has been buzzing with people who claim they left a COVID-19 test site because of a long line, and then received a positive test result. While this scenario sound…

www.sun-sentinel.com

How can you prove you never for swabbed when you have a test result? I know from people who it happened to.