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Alleged trucker shortage

My guess is that this will be resolved in the short term with higher wages and benefits. Ultimately the cost of the increased wages and benefits will result in higher prices to the consumer and inflation that will diminish the value of the increased wages and benefits. It is circular like a merry go round, with the only winners being those who get off at the right time...

George
 
How do you get off at the merry go round at the “right” time. This cycle has been in place as long as I have been alive. Doubt it will change anytime soon.
 
How do you get off at the merry go round at the “right” time. This cycle has been in place as long as I have been alive. Doubt it will change anytime soon.

I suppose the trucker that accepts the pay is exactly at the "right" time
(until they quit for a better job)
 
One of the major problem is the drivers certification process. Truck driver must pass a long list of certification items liked a drug test, DOT checks for driving violation and a police check.
 
What is kinda ironic is, a lot of truckers dislike OOIDA, the "lobbyist" in the article. Why? Because they want OOIDA to be like a union, which they're not. But, OOIDA is winning legislative and public support for NO SHORTAGE, while slave-wage training carriers and the ATA continue to yell SHORTAGE!

If you have SiriusXM, or have a podcast app (iHeartRadio, PlayerFM, etc), "Landline Now" is on M-F 7pm EST or on the podcast apps the following morning.

TS
 
Except for including the liars from the ATA, yeah it was pretty in-depth. Another way to look at it: up until 1980, the trucking companies were regulated, now the truckers are regulated. The companies must adhere to labor laws, while 100% of truckers' lives are regulated while they are on the road.

TS
 
Except for including the liars from the ATA, yeah it was pretty in-depth. Another way to look at it: up until 1980, the trucking companies were regulated, now the truckers are regulated. The companies must adhere to labor laws, while 100% of truckers' lives are regulated while they are on the road.
What got de-regulated was shippers. before 1980 shippers had to obey rules and routings and rates were determined from published tariffs. After that date any trucker could haul any commodity from/to any destination and negotiate the rate. So shippers (smart business people that they are) came up with the term 'back haul'. The trucker was supposed to have a profitable run between two points, and a 'back haul' that basically just paid for the fuel to get back to where the profitable loads originated. What was/is missing from this equation is that every direction is a back haul for someone. And that's what precipitated the downward spiral of freight cost and profitability. And loss of driver satisfaction and 'churning' of employment, now hovering around 95% a year.
 
What got de-regulated was shippers. before 1980 shippers had to obey rules and routings and rates were determined from published tariffs. After that date any trucker could haul any commodity from/to any destination and negotiate the rate. So shippers (smart business people that they are) came up with the term 'back haul'. The trucker was supposed to have a profitable run between two points, and a 'back haul' that basically just paid for the fuel to get back to where the profitable loads originated. What was/is missing from this equation is that every direction is a back haul for someone. And that's what precipitated the downward spiral of freight cost and profitability. And loss of driver satisfaction and 'churning' of employment, now hovering around 95% a year.


They also de-regulated the airlines at the same time but there's apparently no big shortage of pilots compared to truckers
 
They also de-regulated the airlines at the same time but there's apparently no big shortage of pilots compared to truckers
Actually, there is a bigger shortage of pilots than truckers. Freight is moving, there are millions of trucks moving every day (proof there is no shortage of drivers). But, there is a shortage of pilots, as many are retiring and not as many coming into the career, then adding in the Pandemic.

TS
 
It all comes down to supply and demand. If there is a shortage of truckers, then trucking companies will respond by improving wages and working conditions to attract more people into trucking. If there is a shortage of pilots, airlines will respond by improving wages and working conditions to attract more people to work as pilots. Of course to the extent that trucking costs and air transportation costs are a part of purchased goods and services, those costs will be reflected in prices as the cost of shipping increases.

People get obsessed with the short term impacts. You can't increase the supply of truckers overnight. You can't increase the supply of pilots overnight. Addressing the shortages requires several years. In the meantime, there are disruptions because store shelves don't get filled, costs of materials goes up, etc.

A good comparison is with the natural gas shortages that occurred about 20 years ago. The price of natural gas skyrocketed, and many people were proclaiming catastrophe and how the old models were being destroyed. What happened was that with the increasing price of natural gas, people who used natural gas implemented projects to reduce gas usage. Meanwhile producers of natural gas now had incentives to develop new natural gas sources. The end result was that in five to ten years we moved form natural gas shortage to natural gas surplus. (Parenthetically, most of these predictions were being made by people who were pocketing nice fees for fearmongering about the looming catastrophe on cable TV, podcasts, and newsletters.)

If we give time, and we avoid well-intentioned meddling, this will sort itself out.

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There is a very persistent and heavy drumbeat nowadays proclaiming that to get a meaningful and rewarding job, you need a college education. So if you can't go to college, your objective should be to get a job that enables your kids to get a college education so that they can get a "better" job than you have. To my mind that is incredibly snobbish and elitist. Why is being highly skilled in a trade, as an electrician, welder, trucker, machinist, etc., less significant than having a college degree - which often leaves you overqualified to work in a coffee shop.

IMO, as we confront shortages of people to fill positions that don't require a college degree, maybe we will stop drinking the Kool-Aid put out by the educational establishment that the only way to really get ahead in the world is to pay them vast amounts of money to attend their schools to get a piece of paper that may or may not mean anything in the real world.

Saw a quip today that you can graduate from high school, learn a trade, and if you become competent you can be earning $100k annually in salary and benefits within four years of graduation, and with little to no student loans. Or you can go to college, get a degree in sociology, rack up $100k in student loans, and go to work as a barrista in a coffee ship.
 
Mike Rowe is all about learning a trade.

When Rick's buddies were all going to college, he got on the Denver Fire Department at exactly 20 years old. He had one friend that was hopelessly jealous of his choices. After four years of college, the friend became a police officer in a medium-sized town in Kansas (Manhattan). He moved up in rank, but so did Rick without spending a lot of money on college.

Both jobs are more dangerous today than ever.
 
Actually, there is a bigger shortage of pilots than truckers. Freight is moving, there are millions of trucks moving every day (proof there is no shortage of drivers). But, there is a shortage of pilots, as many are retiring and not as many coming into the career, then adding in the Pandemic.

TS

with a little bit of googling, possibly yes
 
Walmart to offer new truck drivers $110K a year to combat shortage
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bu...ary-pay-first-year-trucker-shortage-rcna23482


the qualifier 'As much as' just turns the entire article into BS publicity It is as good a qualifier as 'maybe' or 'might'.


I am guessing the worst routes with the max allowed overtime gets you there. Maybe they are including reimbursements including food and fuel?

The reluctance to point out what the base starting salary is and how it goes to $110K says it all.

Joe
 
the qualifier 'As much as' just turns the entire article into BS publicity It is as good a qualifier as 'maybe' or 'might'.


I am guessing the worst routes with the max allowed overtime gets you there. Maybe they are including reimbursements including food and fuel?

The reluctance to point out what the base starting salary is and how it goes to $110K says it all.

Joe

Curious - So I took a look at some trucking jobs at the walmart website. Here is what they say:

Earn $89K average which equals 89cents a mile.

Earn $100K or up to $110K W2


So, are these hourly wages? Salary? still curious.

Also what a weird way to talk about your pay - $110K W2. What does that even mean - 401 K & medical insurance are pre-tax - so are you going to $110K after those expenses? I hire people all the time - I never use that terminology. They simple say I want $100K or $150K or whatever and we agree or not or maybe negotiate something .

Joe
 
Curious - So I took a look at some trucking jobs at the walmart website. Here is what they say:

Earn $89K average which equals 89cents a mile.

Earn $100K or up to $110K W2


So, are these hourly wages? Salary? still curious.

Also what a weird way to talk about your pay - $110K W2. What does that even mean - 401 K & medical insurance are pre-tax - so are you going to $110K after those expenses? I hire people all the time - I never use that terminology. They simple say I want $100K or $150K or whatever and we agree or not or maybe negotiate something .

Joe

W2 indicates payroll employee with taxes withheld by employer - other option is receiving a 1099 as a contractor.
 
Walmart, like most trucking companies, pays by the mile. They're saying a driver most likely will make $100k before taxes and benefits/retirement. But, unlike most companies, they are 100% drop and hook. What that means is, they do not wait to unload. They pick up a loaded trailer at a distribution center, take it to a store, move an empty trailer out of a door and put the loaded one in, then take the empty to either a DC or a customer warehouse, where the cycle continues until they finish their day's work. Then, they get 34-ish hours off over the weekend to go home.

In terms of getting the position, they will not accept just anyone. Either the person must work in their distribution center and go into their training program, or they must have 3 years (approx 300000 miles) accident-free driving, unless they changed that recently.

TS
 
My nephew applied, he previously drove for a small family owned firm but quit due to being on the road so much. I think he was hoping for shorter local route. He flunked the backing test, bumped into another trailer, has to wait 6 months to re apply lol.

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W2 indicates payroll employee with taxes withheld by employer - other option is receiving a 1099 as a contractor.

I understand what a W2 vs a 1099 is, but that this just a strange way to present a help wanted ad. I have never seen that before on a help wanted ad. Usually it would say something like ' Salary range is $100K to $110K'
 
I understand what a W2 vs a 1099 is, but that this just a strange way to present a help wanted ad. I have never seen that before on a help wanted ad. Usually it would say something like ' Salary range is $100K to $110K'

I paid both w-2 and 1099. Full time employees were paid less in account of the employment taxes and insurance paid and they were able to collect unemployment when laid off. The 1099 employees received more pay because they paid their own taxes but could only earn about 45% of their yearly income from any single employer.

I have seen jobs advertised in this way. It's usually because a non-union company requires more employees.

Bill
 
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