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Access to Abound is up!

The inventory that belongs in VSN will stay in VSN. That is the owner inventory that do not elect points. Why not be angry at the owners who elect points too? They will be diminishing VSN inventory. Marriott is an owner and can elect points too.
After all the reading, IMO the question is: If MVC-owned VSN inventory can be offered to MVC owners at 13 months versus following the Vistana rule which is 12 months? IMO, if MVC owns VSN, the earliest it can be used/offered to MVC players is 12 months. Trying to get some clarity on this. Thanks.
 
After all the reading, IMO the question is: If MVC-owned VSN inventory can be offered to MVC owners at 13 months versus following the Vistana rule which is 12 months? IMO, if MVC owns VSN, the earliest it can be used/offered to MVC players is 12 months. Trying to get some clarity on this. Thanks.
NO. Regardless of who owns the inventory (Marriott or an individual owner) the inventory can only be booked once released by a Vistana owner and then placed in the MVC pool. The Vistana rules are 12 months for a home reservation. The MVC rules are 13 months. So for example if i know right now i am not going to use my April 2024 unit and i elect for MVC points now, it will be moved to the MVC pool and available to book in the MVC pool March 2023, but if someone at that home resort wants to book, they must wait until April 2023 to book in the Vistana pool, because their unit never left the Vistana pool of inventory.
 
Is anyone else getting this message when they go through the Vistana.com site to check their Club Point balance? It showed this message yesterday before I elected any Club Points and still shows it after the election was confirmed by Vistana email.

This Vistana back-end account shows me as Executive but my MVC ownership account still shows Owner. Plus am I the only one that thought that both my elected Vistana Club Points and my MVC owned Club Points would show up in one place to use in combination? Isn't that how they portrayed it?
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Is anyone else getting this message when they go through the Vistana.com site to check their Club Point balance? It showed this message yesterday before I elected any Club Points and still shows it after the election was confirmed by Vistana email.

This Vistana back-end account shows me as Executive but my MVC ownership account still shows Owner. Plus am I the only one that thought that both my elected Vistana Club Points and my MVC owned Club Points would show up in one place to use in combination? Isn't that how they portrayed it?View attachment 69447
yes. It took me 20-30 tries to get my club points elected for 2024 and now i can't see them but i did get an individual email confirmation for each VOI traded in
 
Is anyone else getting this message when they go through the Vistana.com site to check their Club Point balance? It showed this message yesterday before I elected any Club Points and still shows it after the election was confirmed by Vistana email.

This Vistana back-end account shows me as Executive but my MVC ownership account still shows Owner. Plus am I the only one that thought that both my elected Vistana Club Points and my MVC owned Club Points would show up in one place to use in combination? Isn't that how they portrayed it?View attachment 69447
Yes this is happening to me as well. Nothing is showing on the Marriott site.
 
Dioxide can confirm but I'll pretty sure they haven't conveyed WKV to the Westin Flex trust in the past few years. It's not an automatic thing when an ownership ends up coming back to Vistana/Marriott, of course.
I don’t know what has been conveyed to Westin Flex, but I suspect WKV is in there. There were no WKV conveyed to the MVC Destinations (Now Abound) Trust back in August 2022 and non since then. So the MVC trust doesn’t own any WKV. Westin Flex does but I recall them saying they expected to have those sold down pretty significantly by the time they launched Abound. So any seeding of WKV inventory would have to be coming from unsold Westin Flex, WKV owners that opted for Abound points or even opted for owner cruises or hotel booking options and possibly even resort credit. Usually MVC will rent this inventory out for can to monetize it, but they are probably willing to take a short term hit to seed the Abound inventory to make it look plentiful then slowly back off that going forward.
 
Lots of “Perrys” here. :ROFLMAO:Lots of wrangling before launch about how one will just continue to use VSN, then on launch day everyone starts electing for Abound Club Points. For those that don’t know, PerryM was all doom and gloom about the launch of DC back in 2010 and how bad it would be, then when it launched he was the BIGGEST FAN! He did have ulterior motives though…
 
Without going through every post, I have a question here. If I were to elect Club points for Vistana ownership, will these club points be combined with my MVC club points so that I can make a reservation with combined points? Thanks.
 
Without going through every post, I have a question here. If I were to elect Club points for Vistana ownership, will these club points be combined with my MVC club points so that I can make a reservation with combined points? Thanks.

Yes I just did that.
 
After all the reading, IMO the question is: If MVC-owned VSN inventory can be offered to MVC owners at 13 months versus following the Vistana rule which is 12 months? IMO, if MVC owns VSN, the earliest it can be used/offered to MVC players is 12 months. Trying to get some clarity on this. Thanks.
If you read the Vistana rules, during the home resort reservation period only those who own the same season and unit type are supposed to have access to the inventory. In practice Abound should not have access to the Vistana inventory at 13 or 12 months but at 8.
 
Did anyone end up with a higher owner level than what they should be?
 
Lots of “Perrys” here. :ROFLMAO:Lots of wrangling before launch about how one will just continue to use VSN, then on launch day everyone starts electing for Abound Club Points. For those that don’t know, PerryM was all doom and gloom about the launch of DC back in 2010 and how bad it would be, then when it launched he was the BIGGEST FAN! He did have ulterior motives though…
2010, where did I see that before? (like 1000000 times).

If that launch was as botched as this one, maybe there are some similarities, otherwise there are none.
 
If it can be said that the Vistana/Abound integration is terrible for Vistana owners because some Vistana inventory will be used by Marriott Abound members, can't the same be said that it's terrible for Marriott owners because some Marriott inventory will be used by Vistana members?

But I just don't understand all the negativity over what is basically another exchange option. Since the Destination Club was introduced in 2010 I've been thinking of, and looking forward to, the now-named Abound Exchange Company being the simple conduit for direct access to non-Marriott-branded timeshares! My pipe dream is that Disney eventually chooses to play in the Abound sandbox, which I know is about as long a shot as a long shot can be. ;)
It is not just "another exchange option" for those that want to use their home resorts and they may see the prime weeks becoming harder to book. It is not just "another option" for those who bought Vistana for the internal trading system only to see it reduced to a second-class exchange that will only get inventory after Abound exchangers have booked everything they wanted for 4 months. It is not just another option for those who will not find inventory in VSN and if they search in Abound, they will realize they have lost 30-50% trading power for the same resorts they could book in VSN. It is not just another options for those that got banking cut in half. And finally, it is not just an option for those who bought an entry package but will not be able to buy more Vistana weeks or Flex, even from the developer, and will have a hard time figuring how to use few points in VSN and few points in Abound if they have to buy more points.
 
2010, where did I see that before? (like 1000000 times).

If that launch was as botched as this one, maybe there are some similarities, otherwise there are none.
Is this necessary?!

We get it, you don't want to hear from anyone except the people who fall at your feet and agree with only and everything that you have to say.

But you are not the only Vistana owner participating in these discussions, and some others who are also new to Abound as it relates to their Vistana ownerships might be interested in what can be shared by Marriott owners/members who have extensive experience with it.

It's probably time for you to ignore what doesn't interest you.

(I'm saying this as a participant in only a few of the threads that you've hijacked with the exact same topic, and not as a TUG moderator. If you want to know a moderator's take, invite @DeniseM to comment.)
 
Is this necessary?!

We get it, you don't want to hear from anyone except the people who fall at your feet and agree with only and everything that you have to say.

But you are not the only Vistana owner participating in these discussions, and some others who are also new to Abound as it relates to their Vistana ownerships might be interested in what can be shared by Marriott owners/members who have extensive experience with it.

It's probably time for you to ignore what doesn't interest you.

(I'm saying this as a participant in only a few of the threads that you've hijacked with the exact same topic, and not as a TUG moderator. If you want to know a moderator's take, invite @DeniseM to comment.)
I think I was responding to a comment that probably referred to me (and few others). How is that hijacking the discussion?
 
It is not just "another exchange option" for those that want to use their home resorts and they may see the prime weeks becoming harder to book. It is not just "another option" for those who bought Vistana for the internal trading system only to see it reduced to a second-class exchange that will only get inventory after Abound exchangers have booked everything they wanted for 4 months. It is not just another option for those who will not find inventory in VSN and if they search in Abound, they will realize they have lost 30-50% trading power for the same resorts they could book in VSN. It is not just another options for those that got banking cut in half. And finally, it is not just an option for those who bought an entry package but will not be able to buy more Vistana weeks or Flex, even from the developer, and will have a hard time figuring how to use few points in VSN and few points in Abound if they have to buy more points.
Excellent points
 
Is anyone else getting this error when trying to book with club points?

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Yes, and all the drop down lists are blank if you click on any of those boxes. I called Vistana and reported that error along with the one about not showing the Club point balance. They submitted a system ticket request to have them address it.
 
I know many of us are having IT problems and other issues. I have had problems too. It is frustrating. OTOH, this was a major IT endeavor and I am glad they did it and are now in the “fixing bugs” stage.
 
Well, I guess "naive" is a little bit better than the utter lack of knowledge you've ascribed to Marriott owners in some of your many other threads on the topic, so I'll take it. :rolleyes:

I actually said the opposite, the TUGGers are very knowledgeable about booking and many other details related to their ownership.

I only said that there was lack of interest regarding the rental business of the developer at the resorts you guys own. You can convince me of the opposite if you mention the inventory owned by Marriott at your own resorts.
 
Did anyone end up with a higher owner level than what they should be?
Yes. They have us at Chairman's but we only have 14975 electable points. Our units show correctly (with point count) but they somehow totaled us at 17975 and Chairman's status. We shall see how long this lasts (we will save $25/year on club fees when demoted to Presidential).
 
Yes. They have us at Chairman's but we only have 14975 electable points. Our units show correctly (with point count) but they somehow totaled us at 17975 and Chairman's status. We shall see how long this lasts (we will save $25/year on club fees when demoted to Presidential).
Fingers crossed they don’t catch on. I must be at a new level they haven’t revealed yet. My benefit level has me as “supreme leader”. :LOL::LOL:
 
Before the launch, I read mostly negative things and many Tuggers mostly saying they would not elect Abound points. Now on Tug and Facebook, I am reading that many people are electing points. I elected points since I mostly want to book outside the Vistana network and get the 12 month booking window. I guess Abound is pretty popular.
I’m reading on Facebook that most Marriott owners are booking Westin properties with all of the prime inventory Marriott bestowed upon them. I don’t blame them, Westins were always a better product than Marriott hotels/resorts. Conspiracy theorists said that would be the case.
 
Did anyone end up with a higher owner level than what they should be?

As mentioned - I am at Chairman, but they have me listed with >6000 CPs more than my ownership warrants.


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