[ 2017 ] How to compare point systems?

[GT75]

HGVC also earns an asterisk for complimentary RCI membership.

 

[GT75]

I also have another suggestion, What about also adding typical resale buy-in cost for this two-bedroom platinum (high) season week? This probably would bring even more "lively" discussion.

 

[TUGBrian]

im game for creating a separate comparison page for more detailed stuff...but this particular chart would spin out of control if we keep adding all those details =)

I would consider adding a line for something like "% you can save buying resale" or something like that? or "resale depreciation value" or something that indicates the difference in price between resale and retail.

 

[TUGBrian]

went and added a link to the chart in the OPs first post so more can read it!

 

[nuwermj]

Brian,

Two items for the Diamond Resorts column ...

In the last row (Average points for 2br), there is a dollar sign "$" in the number. That should be removed.

In the "Average (2br) Maint Fees" row, "$1550" should be replaced with "$2,000".

 

[Sandy VDH]

HICV also gets a complimentary RCI with membership.

 

[TUGBrian]

any estimates on an average 2br MF cost for HICV?

 

[GT75]

im game for creating a separate comparison page for more detailed stuff...but this particular chart would spin out of control if we keep adding all those details =)

I understand. No problem. I think that all of the discussion on this topic has been very enlightening. I do like something to compare each of the different TS systems because I don't understand the others. I know several of you own in more than one system. You will have a broader working knowledge. If we respond to a newbie on general TS questions, we can only respond on what we know. In my case, I am limited to one system. I usually add that in my response.

 

[TUGBrian]

I think once this is done itll make for a great link for just about anyone who posts in the newbies section looking for help in picking a first timeshare for sure!

and likely lead to tons of other questions!

 

[Sandy VDH]

any estimates on an average 2br MF cost for HICV?

No, and it varies greatly. I have a Vegas 1 BR, and not enough points for a 2. But I would guess 2 BR Holiday Season (there is event weeks, that include holidays) then 3 categories below that.

So I'll guess that 2 BR is avg of 180,000 points and is about $1400 in MFs, but that could be on the high side.

 

[rhonda]

I think once this is done itll make for a great link for just about anyone who posts in the newbies section looking for help in picking a first timeshare for sure!

and likely lead to tons of other questions!

Yep. The ones that pop to my mind as I'm reading the chart:

• What is the 'one big thing' that sets each column apart from the others?
  How can we help highlight the greatest strength of each club? From the top of my head ...
  Wyndham: Sheer number of resorts, mostly east of the Mississippi
  Worldmark: Heavy concentration in Western states; Generous cancellation policy; Cash reservation options
  Disney: Location, location, location ... if you want to be near its theme parks
  Hyatt: Quality ???
  Marriott and Hilton: Is it the way their clubs interact with their hotel chains? Signature locations? ???
• What about RCI Points? (Read that in the newbie's voice?)
• Doesn't II also have a points system?

 

[Sandy VDH]

Can we add a ROFR row.

For instance HGVC has it. Wyndham does NOT. Makes a different for resale pricing.

 

[Sandy VDH]

I would also change HICV to major differences resale, only 3 resorts in the entire system are automatically in HICV points. A resale, with the 3 exceptions, LOSSES Completely their point value and they revert back to the fixed/float week they were previously.

That is major, and makes resales very unattractive.

 

[rhonda]

Can we add a ROFR row.

For instance HGVC has it. Wyndham does NOT. Makes a different for resale pricing.

Worldmark: Does NOT have ROFR
DVC: Yes, uses ROFR except for gifting/inheritance within a family

 

[Quinte]

HYATT

Adding in some information on Hyatt for the chart.

What is the 'one big thing' that sets each column apart from the others?
Might be resort staff, which I have found to be exceptional across the resorts. Part of this comes form lower turnover in staff.

Avg 2bd maint. fees
Varies by resort: BH was about $1500 USD and WOR was about $1200 USD. Have not seen a lot of price inflation in the last five years.

Reservation Window
Not certain how you would put this in the chart...

• Home Resort/Unit begins 12 months in advance and ends six months in advance. During this period you may:
  • Reserve your home week/unit
  • Reserve other available inventory across Hyatt (all or a portion of points)
  • transfer to II exchange (all or a portion)
  • Convert to Hyatt World (formerly Gold Passport) points (subject to limit on the number of unit/weeks per resort).
• Club Use - from six months before week to start of week, during which you can
  • Reserve other available inventory across Hyatt (all or a portion of points)
  • transfer to II exchange (all or a portion, within the first two months)
• Limited Club Use - the six months after the day of the fixed-unit/week
  • Reserve other available inventory across Hyatt (all or a portion of points), but only up to 60 days in advance.
• II exchange points remain in account for 24 months beyond the end of the Club Use period.

Developer vs. Resale
Access to Hyatt World conversion is not available for resale units.

Avg. points for 2bd unit
Range is from a low of 200 (Mountain Season) to a high of 2,950 (Diamond Season, Deluxe Unit).

Wk 6 at Ski destinations - 2,200 (1,880 High Sierra Lodge)
Wk 10 Florida - 2,200, higher for Premier/Deluxe units at Siesta Key

 

[TUGBrian]

ill add a double asterisk in the resale difference section for ROFR

 

[TUGBrian]

updated with the most current info in the thread, its coming along!

 

[nuwermj]

Vistana

Starwood Vacation Network (SVN)

Number of Resorts
I count 19 in SVN

Deeded v. RTU
Both ... Sheraton Flex is Vistana's pure point system.

Reservation Window
12 months at home resort
8 months any Network resort

Developer vs. Resale
Membership in SVN does not transfer on resale. Resale purchases have no access to the Network. A resale deed can become qualified with a developer purchase.

Avg. points for 2bd unit
81,000

 

[rhonda]

Request to rename row heading
"Average points for 2br" to "Avg point for 2BR High Season"?

Or, if the row is intended to reflect an 'average' 2BR -- I will rework the stated DVC for a different (lower) number. The stated 395 figure represents the average of all 2BR unit types in the system for a full week over the 4th of July.

 

[rhonda]

I'd still like a way to show/reflect "other fees." Some systems feel as if they nickel and dime their owners and it makes a difference. The common fees I'm aware of:

Housekeeping Fee:

• WM: Yes, after exceeding free tokens (Or, perhaps to state this in shorter format: "Yes >threshold" ?)
• Wyndham: Yes, after exceeding free tokens
• DVC: Optional
• RCI Points: Yes

TOT Fee:

• WM: Yes, some
• Wyndham: ??
• DVC: Yes, some (or "Yes, 1 or more"? Aulani, as far as I know if the only DVC resort to currently charge TOT)
• RCI Points: Yes, some

Guest Cert Fee:

• WM: Free (I prefer "Free" to "No" or "None" in that the negative answers may read that Guest Certs are not offered rather than, "Guest certs are offered w/out a fee.")
• Wyndham: Yes
• DVC: Free
• RCI Points: Yes

Transaction Fee:

• WM: No
• Wyndham: Yes
• DVC: No
• RCI Points: Yes

Are other fees common in the point system world: Resort fee? Parking Fee? Energy Fee? Inclusive Fees?

 

[CO skier]

Request to rename row heading
"Average points for 2br" to "Avg point for 2BR High Season"?

Or, if the row is intended to reflect an 'average' 2BR -- I will rework the stated DVC for a different (lower) number. The stated 395 figure represents the average of all 2BR unit types in the system for a full week over the 4th of July.

I agree and suggest renaming the Average points for 2 br to "Avg points for 2 BR Summer Season". Each system has regular (not deluxe) 2 BR units and the "high" season goes by different names in the various brands, but "summer" is high season in all the brands, so "summer season" can be used to get something of a direct comparison.

 

[taterhed]

im game for creating a separate comparison page for more detailed stuff...but this particular chart would spin out of control if we keep adding all those details =)

I would consider adding a line for something like "% you can save buying resale" or something like that? or "resale depreciation value" or something that indicates the difference in price between resale and retail.

In light of your comments and the wonderful "extra information" that many have posted here on page 5 of the thread, I'd make the following suggestion (if we feel like coding): Add a "Pro's / Con's / Fees" row to the bottom of the table that contains a link to a single chart/table for each system with Pro's, Con's, Fees sections and the appropriate details. I think if we posted each one separately, we could fill it here in 1-2 days.

If you elect to do the extra page for each system, I'd also suggest a row to briefly identify resale purchase considerations, i.e. efficient MF's or club affiliation or II/RCI etc....

Amazing idea!

 

[nuwermj]

I agree and suggest renaming the Average points for 2 br to "Avg points for 2 BR Summer Season".

"Summer Season" except Palm Springs and Scottsdale. This timeshare stuff is so complicated

 

[nuwermj]

Another suggested modification that might be considered is to make a web page for each column which elaborates the information in the rows. I'm thinking of something that might look like "Quinte's" message above -- the row label in bold and elaboration under it. I think such a page would be more helpful to the new user/owner then the link to the FAQ. A dedicated web page would have the same structure as the table; In the FAQ forum the new user/owner must hunt around for the information and, because the terminology varies among systems, confusion is more common.

 

[taterhed]

Another suggested modification that might be considered is to make a web page for each column which elaborates the information in the rows. I'm thinking of something that might look like "Quinte's" message above -- the row label in bold and elaboration under it. I think such a page would be more helpful to the new user/owner then the link to the FAQ. A dedicated web page would have the same structure as the table; In the FAQ forum the new user/owner must hunt around for the information and, because the terminology varies among systems, confusion is more common.

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