[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

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A NOTE TO FULLY PAID OWNERS IN GOOD STANDING AT SUNCHASER RESORT:

The cost of getting out of your VIA has risen to $16,000.00, up from $3,167.00 back in 2013. This means your timeshare is now so worthless that YOU NEED TO PAY $16,000 to terminate your lease.

How is this justified? Maybe you should phone Northmont and ask how they arrived at this number.

As an owner, you didn't benefit from the $20,000,000 collected by Northmont from those who paid to leave back in 2013. Did they improve the property? Did your maintenance fees go down? Will you or the property gain from the tens of millions of dollars proposed to be paid by those in the Geldert Group? What about the $11-million for the sale of Hillside? Where does that money go?

yes a really good best deal from $3500. to $ 31,000.00

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

Has anyone tallied what they contributed personally to the Geldert retirement fund through the retainers paid and asked how all the work required to process the releases and outstanding invoices will be paid for or is there a cut from what is being collected going back to Geldert based on a rising scale for people who pay to settle?

Jim Belfry recruited me at the beginning of this with the premise by banding together to force Northwynd’s hand to release us at no cost – I am learning there possibly may have been another agenda to take over the resort by Jim that may have made a release for us not as valuable of a leveraging tool but needed the numbers. That is not what I wanted or was paying for, was there conflicting goals and trial directives that has now come back to bite us all?

My losses:
Financed the timeshare purchase in 2007 for $35,000
Paid to Geldert to part ways with the timeshare (not sure – few grand I estimate)
Based on Geldert coerced settlement $35,000

My family got to enjoy 5 years of vacation time as we had some banked we lost as my wife and I were still working hard to pay it off and prioritized saving for my kids RESPs every year so that works out to what was to be 5 inexpensive vacations = $14,000 + yearly maintenance for each vacation (I think this is the same as what a 1st class Titanic ticket was worth)

At least I am getting a personal return on putting my kids through University but so much for ever using the prepay-ed vacation time with our grand-kids – will not be able to afford to pay again for a replacement vacation with them. The real sad part is my oldest son, who is currently pursuing his masters, has been able to save a bit of money and offered to give it to us to help pay to settle☹ (how sad and wonderful is that)

 

[GypsyOne]

Let's say about $16,000 to buy a two-bedroom, one week timeshare for fourty years; then about $25,000 to give it back - total of about $41,000 and you no longer have a timeshare. Northmont makes $tens of millions in buy-backs and they have the units to re-sell or convert to condos. That has to be about the biggest institutionalized white-collar crimes of all time. How can that happen in a civilized country with consumer protections?

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

Let's say about $16,000 to buy a two-bedroom, one week timeshare for fourty years; then about $25,000 to give it back - total of about $41,000 and you no longer have a timeshare. Northmont makes $tens of millions in buy-backs and they have the units to re-sell or convert to condos. That has to be about the biggest institutionalized white-collar crimes of all time. How can that happen in a civilized country with consumer protections?

Exactly - this is a very creative new way for Northwynd to create revenue. Bet now they have set legal president their new business plan will be to buy other timeshares as a business in Canada and repeat - the profits are better than any real business can generate.

Government will need to intervene but will need a push but we are already under the bus - anybody have friends in Provincial or Federal politics they can call?

 

[newname]

Interesting you Mention Jim funny enough that is how I got into this mess. How can I get in touch with you ?

Has anyone tallied what they contributed personally to the Geldert retirement fund through the retainers paid and asked how all the work required to process the releases and outstanding invoices will be paid for or is there a cut from what is being collected going back to Geldert based on a rising scale for people who pay to settle?

Jim Belfry recruited me at the beginning of this with the premise by banding together to force Northwynd’s hand to release us at no cost – I am learning there possibly may have been another agenda to take over the resort by Jim that may have made a release for us not as valuable of a leveraging tool but needed the numbers. That is not what I wanted or was paying for, was there conflicting goals and trial directives that has now come back to bite us all?

My losses:
Financed the timeshare purchase in 2007 for $35,000
Paid to Geldert to part ways with the timeshare (not sure – few grand I estimate)
Based on Geldert coerced settlement $35,000

My family got to enjoy 5 years of vacation time as we had some banked we lost as my wife and I were still working hard to pay it off and prioritized saving for my kids RESPs every year so that works out to what was to be 5 inexpensive vacations = $14,000 + yearly maintenance for each vacation (I think this is the same as what a 1st class Titanic ticket was worth)

At least I am getting a personal return on putting my kids through University but so much for ever using the prepay-ed vacation time with our grand-kids – will not be able to afford to pay again for a replacement vacation with them. The real sad part is my oldest son, who is currently pursuing his masters, has been able to save a bit of money and offered to give it to us to help pay to settle☹ (how sad and wonderful is that)

 

[CleoB]

Last month I contacted geldert. Specifically asked him why has he not pursued this matter through service ab and bc on our behalf. Never got an answer to that direct question. I voiced concerns about how it looked like we would have to pay whatever northmont was after. He advised me he would be proceding with the petition should he not achieve a settlement in the 50 % range. Now the door is closed on the petition and settlement was no where near the 50% range.

I have attempted to contact Darren Thomas at service ab , direct phone number 780 422 8046 . Got his voice mail, message says he away til Jan2. Left an urgent message for him to call upon his return.

This time share thing was no where near what we bargained for. Was supposed to be affordable. Knowing what I know now timeshares are a scam. A lot people have lost their initial investments at other time shares. Hard pill to swallow. Unfortunately, our case is special. Not only are we loosing our initial investment but are faced with paying for it about 2 times more. This appears to be unique. More than a hard pill swallow are not the first words that come to mind but the only ones appropriate for this site.

The purpose of my posts are to voice my disgust for our situation and especially how our representation handled this matter. I have reviewed all of the judges rulings and have attended some of the hearings. Again I state our representation failed us.

In response to "Just Looking Around", I do not believe my comments troll our group. Looks like northmont will be coming after me for about $20,000. That's not gloating either.

You never got a direct reply because Geldert would have had to admit that he screwed up by telling the judges "we were the same as JEKE", which of course we weren't. As I said the people that are looking to get out and never retained Geldert need to find a lawyer to agrue the case under the Fair Trade Act of Alberta.

 

[Hotpink]

Perhaps as the majority of us are classified as elders we should look at this site

http://www.albertaelderabuse.ca/what-is-elder-abuse/what-is-elder-abuse

This may be an avenue worth exploring as it falls under the definition of elder abuse.
I will be following this up as well as talking to Service Alberta.
We are not going to pay more to walk away from the time share lease than what we paid to buy it in the late nineties.
We could pay the invoice we just received which would be about the same as what we originally paid for the initial lease and stay a member of the PASSING WIND consortium.
Or for only $6,000.00 additionally (give or take a dollar) we could accept the so called negotiated settlement just presented to us and get to walk away with some to be determined release form from PASSING WIND.
Now that is a real deal and we know of those who paid to leave and still have not received any thing that would constitute any form of release form.
Albeit we do have a PAID IN FULL document on the Lease form from Fairmont, but that was received was prior the PASSING WIND regime.

We also have to go to the Fair trading act as well but we are going to start with the Elder Abuse.
Here's to a prosperous New Year for us and may the SUNCHASER SCHOONER be caught in the doldrums.

 

[easy prey]

I got to thinking about settlements in general. Settlements always have conditions. Makes me sick/sicker to think those who participate in the settlement will have to sign a release. Given how geldert handled our legal battle it would not be a stretch that a signed release would include a gag order. If this is true, anyone who signs a release would be prohibited from saying anything about this matter. I do not want this matter to go away quietly. It would be another win for northmont.

I have not lost sight of the fact that northmont was the author of our dilemma.
They have found a way to generate revenue. How anyone could come up with such a scheme in clear conscience , much less pursue it, is beyond me. I believe geldert's handling of this matter sealed our fate (See court rulings. All have been very critical of geldert. Judge for yourself. At both hearings in Edmonton justice Young was extremely critical of geldert).

I didn't get a chance to look at gelderts most recent communication from a few days ago until last night. Gave me functionally no time to consider opting out of the settlement given deadline he imposed.

Geldert seems to have painted our group into a corner. It also appears that those who participate in the settlement will be silenced. I am not lobbying for anyone to accept or reject the settlement. I don't know which way I will go yet either.

I will be sending an email to Darren Thomas @ Service Alberta before he returns on Jan2. (Thanks spark1 for your dec12/17 post)

I have asked geldert on several occasions why was he not pursuing on our behalf unfair business practices through service alberta and service bc. He never directly answered my questions or provided any guidance. The conversation was always steered back to the coarse he was taking at the time. Makes me wonder why he was evasive on why he wasn't pursuing that matter. Seems like other members may have encountered the same scenario. At the first Edmonton hearing earlier this year I had a conversation with a member. They stated they had brought up unfair business practices to geldert and requested that he pursue this matter through service Alberta .

I can't think of any other other options that haven't already been brought forward by other members of our group.

If anyone has any other ideas please let us know.

 

[CleoB]

I got to thinking about settlements in general. Settlements always have conditions. Makes me sick/sicker to think those who participate in the settlement will have to sign a release. Given how geldert handled our legal battle it would not be a stretch that a signed release would include a gag order. If this is true, anyone who signs a release would be prohibited from saying anything about this matter. I do not want this matter to go away quietly. It would be another win for northmont.

I have not lost sight of the fact that northmont was the author of our dilemma.
They have found a way to generate revenue. How anyone could come up with such a scheme in clear conscience , much less pursue it, is beyond me. I believe geldert's handling of this matter sealed our fate (See court rulings. All have been very critical of geldert. Judge for yourself. At both hearings in Edmonton justice Young was extremely critical of geldert).

I didn't get a chance to look at gelderts most recent communication from a few days ago until last night. Gave me functionally no time to consider opting out of the settlement given deadline he imposed.

Geldert seems to have painted our group into a corner. It also appears that those who participate in the settlement will be silenced. I am not lobbying for anyone to accept or reject the settlement. I don't know which way I will go yet either.

I will be sending an email to Darren Thomas @ Service Alberta before he returns on Jan2. (Thanks spark1 for your dec12/17 post)

I have asked geldert on several occasions why was he not pursuing on our behalf unfair business practices through service alberta and service bc. He never directly answered my questions or provided any guidance. The conversation was always steered back to the coarse he was taking at the time. Makes me wonder why he was evasive on why he wasn't pursuing that matter. Seems like other members may have encountered the same scenario. At the first Edmonton hearing earlier this year I had a conversation with a member. They stated they had brought up unfair business practices to geldert and requested that he pursue this matter through service Alberta .

I can't think of any other other options that haven't already been brought forward by other members of our group.

If anyone has any other ideas please let us know.

By the time the first Edmonton hearing came along it was too late to pursue unfair business practices as we were (as you said) painted into a corner. Geldert did not listen to his clients in arguing the unfair business practices which points to his mismanagement of the case and should be followed up with the BC law society.

 

[servemeout]

Bill 31 passed on Dec. 13,2017. There are changes for consumers.

• enhanced fairness between consumers and businesses – new provisions that are now in place include:
  • prohibiting businesses from making unilateral amendments to contracts, unless the consumer is provided advance notice and given the right to cancel the contract
  • prohibiting businesses from including clauses in contracts that prevent consumers from posting negative reviews of the business or transaction, provided the negative review is not malicious or vexatious
  • protection for consumers who file complaints in good faith, and are not vexatious or malicious, with a right of defense against lawsuits or other actions intended to coerce consumers to withdraw or not make complaints or publish reviews
  • prohibiting suppliers from enforcing mandatory arbitration clauses in contracts
  • expanded right to sue when a consumer has suffered a loss from a breach of the Act or regulations beyond unfair practices
  • allowing the government to act in the public interest by enabling the release of information about charges, convictions, and other enforcement actions taken under the Act. Does any of these items ring any bells? Service Alberta is the place to start and also the Ministers' Office. Most of us are seniors. All of us have lost the original purchase price of our lease and the use of our week. Now is not the time to quite. We did not agree to the settlement. The definition of settlement is a solution and paying more than the original purchase price is not a solution. No to you Northmont - el ratero, your hand does not belong in my pocket.

 

[Palms to pines]

Wow. Looks like this was specially written for timeshare owners. People who have had NO association with Geldert should jump all over this. No lawyer is necessary. Wouldn’t it be a blessing if it set a precedent that could somehow be retroactive to help us. Those who can do it should register a complaint right away. Very possible Geldert people will get slapped with a gag order. These kind of agencies should have the power to really take this on

 

[CleoB]

Bill 31 passed on Dec. 13,2017. There are changes for consumers.

• enhanced fairness between consumers and businesses – new provisions that are now in place include:
  • prohibiting businesses from making unilateral amendments to contracts, unless the consumer is provided advance notice and given the right to cancel the contract
  • prohibiting businesses from including clauses in contracts that prevent consumers from posting negative reviews of the business or transaction, provided the negative review is not malicious or vexatious
  • protection for consumers who file complaints in good faith, and are not vexatious or malicious, with a right of defense against lawsuits or other actions intended to coerce consumers to withdraw or not make complaints or publish reviews
  • prohibiting suppliers from enforcing mandatory arbitration clauses in contracts
  • expanded right to sue when a consumer has suffered a loss from a breach of the Act or regulations beyond unfair practices
  • allowing the government to act in the public interest by enabling the release of information about charges, convictions, and other enforcement actions taken under the Act. Does any of these items ring any bells? Service Alberta is the place to start and also the Ministers' Office. Most of us are seniors. All of us have lost the original purchase price of our lease and the use of our week. Now is not the time to quite. We did not agree to the settlement. The definition of settlement is a solution and paying more than the original purchase price is not a solution. No to you Northmont - el ratero, your hand does not belong in my pocket.

Sounds like those not involved with Geldert have this bill as well to us against Northmount.

 

[Scammed!]

Sounds like those not involved with Geldert have this bill as well to us against Northmount.

Bill 31 passed on Dec. 13,2017. There are changes for consumers.

• enhanced fairness between consumers and businesses – new provisions that are now in place include:
  • prohibiting businesses from making unilateral amendments to contracts, unless the consumer is provided advance notice and given the right to cancel the contract
  • prohibiting businesses from including clauses in contracts that prevent consumers from posting negative reviews of the business or transaction, provided the negative review is not malicious or vexatious
  • protection for consumers who file complaints in good faith, and are not vexatious or malicious, with a right of defense against lawsuits or other actions intended to coerce consumers to withdraw or not make complaints or publish reviews
  • prohibiting suppliers from enforcing mandatory arbitration clauses in contracts
  • expanded right to sue when a consumer has suffered a loss from a breach of the Act or regulations beyond unfair practices
  • allowing the government to act in the public interest by enabling the release of information about charges, convictions, and other enforcement actions taken under the Act. Does any of these items ring any bells? Service Alberta is the place to start and also the Ministers' Office. Most of us are seniors. All of us have lost the original purchase price of our lease and the use of our week. Now is not the time to quite. We did not agree to the settlement. The definition of settlement is a solution and paying more than the original purchase price is not a solution. No to you Northmont - el ratero, your hand does not belong in my pocket.

Bill past on the 13th and settlement on the 14th of December 2017. Maybe there is such a thing as Karma... We will fight once again! You guys were starting to grow on me anyways.

 

[gilker]

Interesting comments. And yes easy prey I caught the sarcasm in your first comment and username. Enjoyed a little humor.
I’m in Saskatchewan and wondering if there are others in our province who can communicate on action plans

 

[Petus@18]

Is there anyone in this forum that could recommend a 'real lawyer' that could help us to finally get out of this mess; we may even be able to commence a malpractice lawsuit?We should try to regroup and keep sharing the legal costs? Anyone?

 

[Spark1]

Perhaps as the majority of us are classified as elders we should look at this site

http://www.albertaelderabuse.ca/what-is-elder-abuse/what-is-elder-abuse

This may be an avenue worth exploring as it falls under the definition of elder abuse.
I will be following this up as well as talking to Service Alberta.
We are not going to pay more to walk away from the time share lease than what we paid to buy it in the late nineties.
We could pay the invoice we just received which would be about the same as what we originally paid for the initial lease and stay a member of the PASSING WIND consortium.
Or for only $6,000.00 additionally (give or take a dollar) we could accept the so called negotiated settlement just presented to us and get to walk away with some to be determined release form from PASSING WIND.
Now that is a real deal and we know of those who paid to leave and still have not received any thing that would constitute any form of release form.
Albeit we do have a PAID IN FULL document on the Lease form from Fairmont, but that was received was prior the PASSING WIND regime.

We also have to go to the Fair trading act as well but we are going to start with the Elder Abuse.
Here's to a prosperous New Year for us and may the SUNCHASER SCHOONER be caught in the doldrums.

Thanks HotPink I was also thinking the same way. The Trustee that started all this has the registry and they diffently Know how many seniors belong to this resort. This is very hard on Seniors and many of us do not have this kind of money they are trying to extort from us. Many seniors do not have a fighting bone in their body and cannot deal with this. I can not believe for a minute this is backed buy Judges from Alberta and BC. How can a company that we’re the bond holders of this resort prey on innocent people that paid their maintenance fee on time because that is the waySeniors are and now we are treated like criminal because we bought a timeshare. Consumer Protection in Canada and all the Provinces especially Alberta and BC have failed us. This has been really hard on my wife because she has been fighting MS for years and last year she fought Cancer and she had 3 operations that year. I am suppose to enjoy retirement being over 70 and this has ruined everything. I am sure there are many cases like ours. I am working with the RCMP now and found out today from the RCMP how I can find out how the forensic audit is going I hope they are still working on this. It will take me weeks to get everything over to the RCMP but it will happen. The first thing send this Fax pertaining to Justice Young. The next item Senior Abuse.I also Ended up with shingles this year and I had the vaccination. Yes this is stressful.I am confused over these civil cases. No one told us that that creep was registering all our names with the Wetaskiwin courtsHe even registered our family and they had nothing to do with that resort.

 

[truthr]

As I read through all this it just sickens me to no end. What should have been a joyous occasion of the year ruined for over 1,500 families not only because of the very people we were attempting to reveal but also by the very person who we hired to protect us.

I know everyone is on edge and still raw from all the fear and anger but I ask you all to take a good, hard look at all the facts. Not easy when for over 4 years a weave of deception, manipulation, corruption and betrayal has culminated to financial RAPE. But please do and get focused on the real culprits here.

IT IS NOT THE JUDGES - they have been doing their job. When I read over ALL the documents it is evident they even tried desperately to counsel and provide guidance for how to proceed which was not heeded. They can only come to a judgment/decision based on the facts and evidence put before them; and it certainly doesn't help when attorneys do not follow the Rules of Court or their own profession's Professional Code of Conduct.

IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT - how can it be? They put rules, regulations and protections in place and it, again, is up to attorneys to know about and use those to assist and protect their clients.

But we can take our voice back and reach out to the authorities who have the power to investigate - and right now that would be the Alberta and British Columbia Law Societies.
You do not need a lawyer to send in a complaint, you do not need a university degree to have your concerns addressed. What you do need is to sit down and write out how this is affecting you RIGHT NOW. I am not going to try to control the narrative - just be yourself. However, just a couple of pieces of advice - be courteous, be as specific as possible. You don't have to replay the past 4 years. It does not have to be overwhelming, this is not an exam but this is your life and the lives of so many that are at stake.

YOU MATTER AND YOUR VOICE COUNTS!!

BC Law Society - professionalconduct@lsbc.org
https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/InformationConcerningALawyer_Nov2016.pdf

 

[GypsyOne]

As unjust as it is, three court decisions were lost, and that's a big hurdle to cross. As much as we'd like to blame everyone else, the problem is that we were dealing with some mighty shrewd players who knew how to play the system and had millions (of our money) to do it with. You can be sure the political wheels were greased where it was necessary to swing things their way. The B.C. government did not want a failing tourist attraction on it's hands that might require millions of public money to keep afloat. What better way than to tap in to the timeshare owners to have shoddily constructed buildings fixed and reconstructed. Basically, they convinced an easily convinced (and probably politically prompted) judicial system that we were owners for repairing the buildings, but tenants for enjoying the benefits. We had to play by the rules, but they could make up their own rules with the help of a compliant judicial system. We can blame our lawyers (and it is likely they would do some things differently over again), but the fault and the problems go far deeper.

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

At about 3:30 this afternoon I uploaded a new post that had the framework and would be about 4 pages long to help people prepare their own letter for the Law Society but it was removed - I have not been provided details by the Tugbbs administrator but can only assume I touched a nerve so will not try to re-post the original but rather a modified version that doesn't contain the entire letter or names - for the rest I will probably have to email it to you if you want it.

Hopefully this modified version will stay up for you to have a look at and you can decide if you want to reach out for the rest of the info.


Part of what was posted earlier:

So I have had a lot of people reach out to me at back123@shaw.ca and ask if I could post something to assist them in putting together something for the Law Society and here is what I came up with alone with contact info the AB and BC Law Societies.

Please use it as you like and customize it to fit you personally – if everyone does the same thing additional reasons why we are in harms way could be missed so please take the time to make this your own.

Again I am not a lawyer or offering legal advice just doing my part in addressing this injustice since I believe many others cannot get anywhere with who is representing us to fix this either.

Good luck to us all!!!



Contact for Alberta Law Society:
https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/public/providing-information-concerning-a-lawyer/intake-specialist/

Email contract British Columbia Law Society:
professionalconduct@lsbc.org


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To Whom it May Concern

It is with a very trouble heart we reach out to you and we truly apologize for this intrusion as we do not know where to turn for assistance given the ultimatum with no time to consult with alternate legal counsel available as we truly believe our lawyer has put us in harms way. Given this was in our view strategically timed over the holidays to force us to accept a settlement reached by our lawyer.

Our Lawyer has literally maneuvered all his clients into an extremely vulnerable position through lies and coercion to reach this settlement. As far as I am concerned our Lawyer has negotiated and settled with you know who in bad faith on behalf of the litigation group without their true consent to do so. This may seem like sour grapes as we realize that our Lawyer was able to have this case tried in front of the courts and we accept responsibility that his skill set did not meet the challenge but the way the settlement has been reached is the ultimate betrayal perpetrated by our lawyer and a travesty.

From the last trial decision the judge instructed our Lawyer and you know who to negotiate a settlement and present it to you once accepted by our Lawyer’s litigation group – our Lawyer did negotiate with you know who and we believe the tactics he has used breaches his lawyers code of conduct and in so doing has prejudiced us all. This settlement was not reached with the consent of the group or through any form of mediation – sole acceptance was our Lawyers doing. Anyone opposing his decision is being cast from the group to fend for themselves.

Let me put this into context briefly and you can determine if further investigation is required – it become very common to read in our Lawyers updates over the years that he was moving closer to a settlement with you know who over the coarse of the proceedings but you know who was never prepared to come to the table and only on a couple of occasions was any information from these on-going negotiations ever pass along to the litigation group to consider but no recommendation was ever made to accept as it was advised holding out would garnish a better settlement.

Recently things looked to be progressing as it was indicated you know who was finally motivated to settle – here is snapshot of recent updates our Lawyer provide:

I believe the info provided here was too sensitive for some people monitoring the site (our Lawyer / you know who) and possibly complained about it to the Tugbbs administrator to have it removed

In conclusion we feel this deception has put us in a very vulnerable place as we no longer have any confidence in our Lawyer, all doors to negotiate a settlement with you know who are being closed, based on the October 11th Decision breaking and splintering the group was not to happen as the Courts wanted to see this close as badly as we do, and why did our Lawyer not use the mediation or the presiding Judge as per their direction to aid in setting you know who straight in negotiating in good faith?

Thank-you for reviewing the information I have provided and any guidance you can provide is desperately needed as the risk for such a huge settlement were never conveyed to us by our Lawyer and now we potentially stand to loss our credit, the timeshare investment, and a fortune in this settlement.


Sincerely,

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

Interesting you Mention Jim funny enough that is how I got into this mess. How can I get in touch with you ?

Please reach out to me at back123@shaw.ca

 

[ecwinch]

Moderator Note: I believe your previous post was put into the moderation queue as it meet certain criteria identifying it as possible spam.

I believe the info provided here was too sensitive for some people monitoring the site (our Lawyer / you know who) and possibly complained about it to the Tugbbs administrator to have it removed

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

Moderator Note: I believe your previous post was put into the moderation queue as it meet certain criteria identifying it as possible spam.

Thanks for letting me know Eric - I will run with the new post and try to keep things shorter.

Also thank-you for having this forum open to us - this is one of the only ways our group can communicate at this time and as you have probably read things are not very good with our group right now.

 

[ecwinch]

It certainly sounds like a complicated situation. Best wishes that things work out.

 

[DeniseM]

[Redacted by me.]

Here are my suggestions for writing an effective business letter:

https://www.tugbbs.com/forums/index...with-lawsuit-info.182857/page-95#post-2085791

 

[truthr]

As unjust as it is, three court decisions were lost, and that's a big hurdle to cross. As much as we'd like to blame everyone else, the problem is that we were dealing with some mighty shrewd players who knew how to play the system and had millions (of our money) to do it with. You can be sure the political wheels were greased where it was necessary to swing things their way. The B.C. government did not want a failing tourist attraction on it's hands that might require millions of public money to keep afloat. What better way than to tap in to the timeshare owners to have shoddily constructed buildings fixed and reconstructed. Basically, they convinced an easily convinced (and probably politically prompted) judicial system that we were owners for repairing the buildings, but tenants for enjoying the benefits. We had to play by the rules, but they could make up their own rules with the help of a compliant judicial system. We can blame our lawyers (and it is likely they would do some things differently over again), but the fault and the problems go far deeper.

With all due respect GypsyOne
Have you read the transcript from the SuperConference that took place in January 2015?
Have you read the 1,200+ page transcript from the JEKE hearing that took place in January 2016?
Have you read all the Judgments/Decisions from all the court proceedings?