[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

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The Hon. L. D. Young
Assistant Chief Judge, Civil:
Provincial Court
Civil
1A Sir Winston Churchill Sq.
Edmonton, Alberta T5J 0R2
Phone: 780-422-4021
Fax: 780-422-2257

 

[gilker]

It certainly sounds like a complicated situation. Best wishes that things work out.

Yes this is a very important issue for timeshare in Canada. This topic is now 95 pages and growing. Is that not one of the largest threads on the tugbbs site?
Lots of people affected

 

[Scammed!]

The Hon. L. D. Young
Assistant Chief Judge, Civil:
Provincial Court
Civil
1A Sir Winston Churchill Sq.
Edmonton, Alberta T5J 0R2
Phone: 780-422-4021
Fax: 780-422-2257

I've sent the same letter to 7 different officials now, and I won't stop until I'm heard from someone that will help us. I will continue sending to everyone and everybody until their sick of me. We all need to step it up its our last chance. I can't do this without you. We've been wronged and this is the worst of abuse I have ever been a part of.... not in my country.....Don't stop, don't look back, keep fighting, and send send send. Hon, L.D YOUNG might not receive the letters but everyone else will, and maybe she will get it. How will we know if we don't try. Talk is cheap make a difference at least for yourself and your family, and I also wrote on behalf of all of us. God Bless us all. I did nothing wrong nor do I have anything to be ashamed of. Like the pin said that I wore in court "NEVER GIVE UP!" I swear I never will.........

 

[Inquiringmind]

What about the statute of limitations in the province of Alberta. It states that, to seek a remedial order against you, the claimant must have filed the remedial order within 2 years from the time they knew they had a claim or ought to have known they had a claim.

 

[Spark1]

The Hon. L. D. Young
Assistant Chief Judge, Civil:
Provincial Court
Civil
1A Sir Winston Churchill Sq.
Edmonton, Alberta T5J 0R2
Phone: 780-422-4021
Fax: 780-422-2257

The Hon. L. D. Young
Assistant Chief Judge, Civil:
Provincial Court
Civil
1A Sir Winston Churchill Sq.
Edmonton, Alberta T5J 0R2
Phone: 780-422-4021
Fax: 780-422-2257

As I read through all this it just sickens me to no end. What should have been a joyous occasion of the year ruined for over 1,500 families not only because of the very people we were attempting to reveal but also by the very person who we hired to protect us.

I know everyone is on edge and still raw from all the fear and anger but I ask you all to take a good, hard look at all the facts. Not easy when for over 4 years a weave of deception, manipulation, corruption and betrayal has culminated to financial RAPE. But please do and get focused on the real culprits here.

IT IS NOT THE JUDGES - they have been doing their job. When I read over ALL the documents it is evident they even tried desperately to counsel and provide guidance for how to proceed which was not heeded. They can only come to a judgment/decision based on the facts and evidence put before them; and it certainly doesn't help when attorneys do not follow the Rules of Court or their own profession's Professional Code of Conduct.

IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT - how can it be? They put rules, regulations and protections in place and it, again, is up to attorneys to know about and use those to assist and protect their clients.

But we can take our voice back and reach out to the authorities who have the power to investigate - and right now that would be the Alberta and British Columbia Law Societies.
You do not need a lawyer to send in a complaint, you do not need a university degree to have your concerns addressed. What you do need is to sit down and write out how this is affecting you RIGHT NOW. I am not going to try to control the narrative - just be yourself. However, just a couple of pieces of advice - be courteous, be as specific as possible. You don't have to replay the past 4 years. It does not have to be overwhelming, this is not an exam but this is your life and the lives of so many that are at stake.

YOU MATTER AND YOUR VOICE COUNTS!!

BC Law Society - professionalconduct@lsbc.org
https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/InformationConcerningALawyer_Nov2016.pdf

As I read through all this it just sickens me to no end. What should have been a joyous occasion of the year ruined for over 1,500 families not only because of the very people we were attempting to reveal but also by the very person who we hired to protect us.

I know everyone is on edge and still raw from all the fear and anger but I ask you all to take a good, hard look at all the facts. Not easy when for over 4 years a weave of deception, manipulation, corruption and betrayal has culminated to financial RAPE. But please do and get focused on the real culprits here.

IT IS NOT THE JUDGES - they have been doing their job. When I read over ALL the documents it is evident they even tried desperately to counsel and provide guidance for how to proceed which was not heeded. They can only come to a judgment/decision based on the facts and evidence put before them; and it certainly doesn't help when attorneys do not follow the Rules of Court or their own profession's Professional Code of Conduct.

IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT - how can it be? They put rules, regulations and protections in place and it, again, is up to attorneys to know about and use those to assist and protect their clients.

But we can take our voice back and reach out to the authorities who have the power to investigate - and right now that would be the Alberta and British Columbia Law Societies.
You do not need a lawyer to send in a complaint, you do not need a university degree to have your concerns addressed. What you do need is to sit down and write out how this is affecting you RIGHT NOW. I am not going to try to control the narrative - just be yourself. However, just a couple of pieces of advice - be courteous, be as specific as possible. You don't have to replay the past 4 years. It does not have to be overwhelming, this is not an exam but this is your life and the lives of so many that are at stake.
There is a lot more they could do. You live in one of the strongest Union Provinces in Canada. I am a member of the IBEW for over 50 years and had up to 1200 Electricians working with me at one time,not for me we worked on these projects as equals. They had a say on our projects when needed to.Is the government watching Northmont to make sure they have a Lessee's Association. This could be done easily. This Association could be set up in Red Deer in Alberta and do a survey where the majority of timeshare owners live in BC or Alberta and then decide where to have the meeting and the Association. This is the governments responsibility and the Association's must be set up. Who is looking over the shoulder of Kirk Wankel,no one. They are coming up with ridiculous numbers that we owe them and they do not need any accountability. This is what they want and they are ready to extort $millions and doing this under the nose of the Alberta and BC governments. This is nor acceptable. I have personally dealt with BC Protection with many Phone calls and emails and they tell me they have input with the contracts and that is it. They said the contracts are dealt with at the resort,that was true. I Had a phone call from William,Green. We talked for over 40 minutes and he explained to me all they are responsible for is the Point System with timeshare and that is it. Both departments do not want any thing to do with this and they said they had nothing to do with the Trustee petitioning the Supreme Court. .? Was this legal what he did,he was the start of this extortion and we will find out. So tell me how these two BC departments are up to majority seniors Vacation Villa Lease owners. Who is watching Wankel when he thinks he can modify our Vacation Villa Leases and change all Leases prior to 2010 to be now 2010 VIA's. His VIA's are quit similar to his Co-Owner agreements no thank you. The way I look at my Lease is this. If I Lease a warehouse for 40 years and I paid money up front and the owner of the warehouse closes the door on me and charges me $6000.00 a year plus interest per year that he denied use he will get a Hugh bill from me plus interest for the upfront money I paid when I signed the lease. Northmont will get a bill from me and we who have Leases do not allow them to change you to Wankel co-owner VIA's. So is the government watching over this No. If there was a Association we would not allow this. The Alberta government is no better,they will tell you because of JUstice Young decision their is nothing they can do until this is appealed sure. Who would ever believe that a Judge in Alberta or BC would Allow Geldert Law to when a appeal. I feel these Judges need to do some research as well as these lawyers,we are sick and tired of this court garbage that has gone on for almost 5 years and we timeshare Leases have not got justice. So how are the governments helping us. They are not. I have a lot of information about these extortion professionals with the resorts the use to own in other countries and we lived in Mexico for years and dealt with Profeco in Mexico. This is Senior abuse. The government will get involved when they can help the creditors being Northmont extort our property.

YOU MATTER AND YOUR VOICE COUNTS!!

BC Law Society - professionalconduct@lsbc.org
https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/InformationConcerningALawyer_Nov2016.pdf

 

[Scammed!]

Thanks for letting me know Eric - I will run with the new post and try to keep things shorter.

Also thank-you for having this forum open to us - this is one of the only ways our group can communicate at this time and as you have probably read things are not very good with our group right now.

Ultimate_Betrayal There are people that don't understand what you're trying to do, and that's to help them get motivated. The he$$ with the punctuation right now, your making a point to everyone to write a letter a.s.a.p. The Minister of Justice and all the other's will understand our letters are from regular/older people that are frantic on a deadline confused, betrayed, scared and trying to speak out for the first time, we're not college students or lawyers. Don't worry about punctuation so much as being respectful. Tell your/our story the best you can and make every sentence a point. Before you send your letters out go over it a hundred times like I did but even then you will have mistakes, we're not perfect.
After I sent one copy to Prime Minister Trudeau yesterday I was shaking. What would he think about my letter and mistakes? I realized he's like all of us, and maybe he has a timeshare for he's family. One day he might get to meet this gentleman we speak about. He is a family man, and I doubt for one moment he would allow this to happen to him. I realized I did the Prime Minister a favour....
Your letter shows exhaustion, devastation, and passion. Your trying to tell the truth, and we all are. We don't need this right now through the holidays and by the way Happy New Year! Your letter is an example to everyone to write a letter and not be scared, and I'd like to thank you for stepping up to the plate. I told you I didn't trust talking to you or anyone a couple of days ago, yet I needed encouragement and tried to reach out on this board. Like you said we have been conditioned this way. Which is a form of abuse, our rights, and freedom of speech has been taken from us leaving us vulnerable and in this exact position. I just wanted to give you a pat on the back who ever you are...lol. Your letter and my letter won't be enough, this group needs to pull together. I was and still am terrified which has given me my fight back, and if I'm going down I will go down fighting with my pride in hand. I have nothing to lose anymore. I will fight alone if I have to, or with who ever else wants to join us. Thank you.

Time to send more copies out......

 

[truthr]

Something to think about
If the only goal of the entire litigation group was to be released from our VIA's. Why in the hell did we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to oppose the realignment to begin with? Only to give it away at the 11th hour? Putting all his clients in harms way and everyone else at the resort.

Would that not be using deception to the opponent and courts, rather than just use what was legally available to all of us like the FTA in Alberta? And Consumer Protection in BC?

By our attorney playing this "cat and mouse" game trying to outmaneuver the master of WOW, precedents have been set that negatively affected and tainted us and will negatively affect all timeshare owners in Canada until someone comes along and has to spend millions of dollars in litigation to set it right. Was that not what we all hired MG to do? Right what we saw as a wrong? Stop white collar crime and extortion? Not make it easier for it to happen again and again and again.

 

[Palms to pines]

Truth, I wish I could push the “ like” button a thousand times because you are absolutely 100 percent RIGHT.

 

[JAM DOWN]

Something to think about
If the only goal of the entire litigation group was to be released from our VIA's. Why in the hell did we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to oppose the realignment to begin with? Only to give it away at the 11th hour? Putting all his clients in harms way and everyone else at the resort.

Would that not be using deception to the opponent and courts, rather than just use what was legally available to all of us like the FTA in Alberta? And Consumer Protection in BC?

By our attorney playing this "cat and mouse" game trying to outmaneuver the master of WOW, precedents have been set that negatively affected and tainted us and will negatively affect all timeshare owners in Canada until someone comes along and has to spend millions of dollars in litigation to set it right. Was that not what we all hired MG to do? Right what we saw as a wrong? Stop white collar crime and extortion? Not make it easier for it to happen again and again and again.

 

[truthr]

Something to think about
If the only goal of the entire litigation group was to be released from our VIA's. Why in the hell did we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to oppose the realignment to begin with? Only to give it away at the 11th hour? Putting all his clients in harms way and everyone else at the resort.

Would that not be using deception to the opponent and courts, rather than just use what was legally available to all of us like the FTA in Alberta? And Consumer Protection in BC?

By our attorney playing this "cat and mouse" game trying to outmaneuver the master of WOW, precedents have been set that negatively affected and tainted us and will negatively affect all timeshare owners in Canada until someone comes along and has to spend millions of dollars in litigation to set it right. Was that not what we all hired MG to do? Right what we saw as a wrong? Stop white collar crime and extortion? Not make it easier for it to happen again and again and again.

And another point:
If any one or more of his clients at any time during this debacle were seeking direction/clarification from the court so that they could stay would that not have been a "conflict of interest" at that point in time? Or were some of us just used as pawns or collateral damage for the means to justify the end? And to what end?

 

[DeniseM]

If you want officials to read and understand your letter - this is how to write it:

Topic sentence - the first sentence should clearly and briefly state the purpose of the letter. In the same paragraph you can introduce yourself and your relationship to the issue.

The 2nd paragraph should clearly and briefly state the issues/problems. If there is more than one, make a bulleted list.

The 3rd paragraph should clearly and briefly state what action you are requesting.

Officials will not read a long winded letter - be as brief as you can. Half a page is ideal.

Correct spelling and punctuation impress the reader, and they make your letter easier to understand. Use spell check and have someone who is a good writer check you letter for you.

 

[Scammed!]

If you want officials to read and understand your letter - this is how to write it:

Topic sentence - the first sentence should clearly and briefly state the purpose of the letter. In the same paragraph you can introduce yourself and your relationship to the issue.

The 2nd paragraph should clearly and briefly state the issues/problems. If there is more than one, make a bulleted list.

The 3rd paragraph should clearly and briefly state what action you are requesting.

Officials will not read a long winded letter - be as brief as you can. Half a page is ideal.

Correct spelling and punctuation impresses the reader, and they make your letter easier to understand. Use spell check and have someone who is a good writer check you letter for you.

Thank you, We need all the help and support we can get right now. Unfortunately we have a book to write not half a page. My letter was a page and a half, but if everyone, and I mean everyone writes a letter, then all our issues will come out.

 

[DeniseM]

Officials will not read a long letter. If you use the format that I suggested, and explain the issues as a bulleted list, it will not be as long. Cut out the pleading, emotional statements, and anything that is not crucial.

 

[GypsyOne]

With all due respect GypsyOne
Have you read the transcript from the SuperConference that took place in January 2015?
Have you read the 1,200+ page transcript from the JEKE hearing that took place in January 2016?
Have you read all the Judgments/Decisions from all the court proceedings?

So what's your point? I hope it isn't that you can't form an opinion without first reading thousands of repetitive pages of legal jargon and background over a period of several years. Disclosure: I was one of the first in the battle, but bought out reluctantly when it became painfully obvious we could not win. After your voluminous reading, you should have come to the same conclusion and saved a lot of money.

So who is to blame? Needless to say primarily it is the shrewd band of white-collar opportunists known as Northmont who know how to play the system, have access to millions of our money, hire the best lawyers with our money, know which strings to pull and wheels to grease, and are completely unscrupulous. They are able to convince an easily convinced judicial system that truth is on their side and the judges can couch their decisions in impressive sounding legal jargon and precedents. Secondly, we can probably blame the Province and a compliant legal system. I don't know if this is true, I just don't see how we could have lost without other forces at work. I thought our case was unassailable, yet we lost unanimously on all counts. (Main points we should have won on: 1. We are lessees not owners of real estate; 2. We are not responsible for faulty buildings; 3. We are not responsible for bad decisions without having a voice in management, and clearly we did not.)

So can we blame our legal representation? Only to a point. Obviously things could have been done differently. The people Geldert retained to carry the ball seemed to have fumbled the ball, but that does not necessarily lead to legal liability. Half the cases that are litigated in court are lost by one of the parties, usually after being assured they had an iron-clad case.

So does lodging a complaint with the B.C. Law Society do any good? Probably not. I doubt if losing a case is a matter they would spend much time investigating on behalf of a disgruntled losing side. Quite possibly we could have been represented by a trained monkey or The Almighty Herself and the results would have been the same.

Are the Judges or the Province innocent as Truth seems to think? I doubt it, but I don't know for sure. As I said earlier, our case seemed unassailable, but yet we lost unanimously on all counts. This leads me to believe something else was in play. I'm pretty much sure the Province of B.C. did not want a failed significant tourist attraction on their hands. Nor did they want to prop it up with public money. Governments have been known to lose elections on such matters. An informal get-together with the right people, a wink and a nod, a veiled threat or a veiled benefit can go a long way toward getting a B.C. friendly decision. Conspiracy theory? Maybe, but I'm getting kind of cynical.

 

[dotbuhler]

Interesting comments. And yes easy prey I caught the sarcasm in your first comment and username. Enjoyed a little humor.
I’m in Saskatchewan and wondering if there are others in our province who can communicate on action plans

I am in the Yorkton area. Been here almost 10 years, but was a lifelong Albertan when I bought the headache in 1990. Someone suggested picketing the Northwynd office in Calgary the past few days. Doubt my car would have started and since the STC is gone, options are limited. (Besides, picketing is a warm weather project, as any Union organizer will agree. Freezing your butts off to a non-audience is best done at the end of the strike...)

 

[Spark1]

You are right truths. Many Seniors when they bought their timeshare your contract was either a Villa Lease or deeded and in our case our contract is a Vacation Villa Lease. That means you bought a Lease for Example 40years. You have a [Right-to-use]timeshare,which refers to a Lease Agreement. In this type of timeshare your lease expires after a specified time and you have no Property Ownership rights in the Property. A[right-to-use] Timeshare may include Lockoff,and Floating Timeshare. Do not allow Northmont to move your timeshare prior to 2010 to 2010 just because of Jim Belfry or Jekes test case His contract in 2010 might of been called a VIA I have no idea. If some one has a 2010 contract is it a Lease contract? This is why i did not agree with Justice Young Decision. She then is saying the Trustee has the Right to do what he did and our choose being Lease Owners is Sign this Cancellation where you could never be released from the resort. So you pay the $3100 and GST and you could also be paying maintenance fees for each year,Lawyer fees and any thing else Northmont dreams up. That is decision number one for us. Decision number two you Lease Owners will have to pay the Special Assessment. That was not the case for Janet and Barrie Lydiatt who were Lease Owners at the Banff Rocky Mountain Resort Ltd. They paid Special Assessments for 3 years and took the resort to court and the Lydiatt won their case. This is what Judge J.T. McCarthy had to say. Are the vacationers required to pay the “Special Assessment”? “Time Share”. Though the term “special assessment” might indicate otherwise,the terms of the Agreement confirm that the Vacationers do not have “any legal interest whatsoever” in the vacation units. Why did our case take so long to resolve? This is the very same as our Lease Agreement and I hope the VIA’s read this way please let me Know. Every timeshare owner that has a lease agreement tell Northmont do not be changing our contracts. This is more than modifying. These contracts are legal documents signed and witnessed and Northmont Hands Off. We would never of bought a timeshare designed by Kirk Wankel.

 

[truthr]

So what's your point? I hope it isn't that you can't form an opinion without first reading thousands of repetitive pages of legal jargon and background over a period of several years. Disclosure: I was one of the first in the battle, but bought out reluctantly when it became painfully obvious we could not win. After your voluminous reading, you should have come to the same conclusion and saved a lot of money.

So who is to blame? Needless to say primarily it is the shrewd band of white-collar opportunists known as Northmont who know how to play the system, have access to millions of our money, hire the best lawyers with our money, know which strings to pull and wheels to grease, and are completely unscrupulous. They are able to convince an easily convinced judicial system that truth is on their side and the judges can couch their decisions in impressive sounding legal jargon and precedents. Secondly, we can probably blame the Province and a compliant legal system. I don't know if this is true, I just don't see how we could have lost without other forces at work. I thought our case was unassailable, yet we lost unanimously on all counts. (Main points we should have won on: 1. We are lessees not owners of real estate; 2. We are not responsible for faulty buildings; 3. We are not responsible for bad decisions without having a voice in management, and clearly we did not.)

So can we blame our legal representation? Only to a point. Obviously things could have been done differently. The people Geldert retained to carry the ball seemed to have fumbled the ball, but that does not necessarily lead to legal liability. Half the cases that are litigated in court are lost by one of the parties, usually after being assured they had an iron-clad case.

So does lodging a complaint with the B.C. Law Society do any good? Probably not. I doubt if losing a case is a matter they would spend much time investigating on behalf of a disgruntled losing side. Quite possibly we could have been represented by a trained monkey or The Almighty Herself and the results would have been the same.

Are the Judges or the Province innocent as Truth seems to think? I doubt it, but I don't know for sure. As I said earlier, our case seemed unassailable, but yet we lost unanimously on all counts. This leads me to believe something else was in play. I'm pretty much sure the Province of B.C. did not want a failed significant tourist attraction on their hands. Nor did they want to prop it up with public money. Governments have been known to lose elections on such matters. An informal get-together with the right people, a wink and a nod, a veiled threat or a veiled benefit can go a long way toward getting a B.C. friendly decision. Conspiracy theory? Maybe, but I'm getting kind of cynical.

Anyone can form an opinion but without ALL the facts it may not be a fully informed one.

 

[Notwhatweweresold]

After five years of fighting, alongside thousands of other TS lease holders, in Canada's legal system, we now expect a bill 9x the amount NM said we had to "pay to leave" our TS contract in 2013!?! We never should have had to pay anything more than a small administrative charge to exit our contract, especially not when the OWNER of the resort was getting back an asset for which we had prepaid 40 years in advance!
My husband & I never missed paying a bill in our lives prior to NM demanding a special assessment of some $4100 based on a broad guesstimate renovation budget of up to $40 million. We asked to continue paying the MF while we disputed the special assessment and to continue using the TS week for which we had paid 40 years in ADVANCE. NM said no and denied us our right to use our prepaid Prime Golf week. Then NM punished us for not paying the MF by charging a ridiculously high interest penalty! Why would we pay TWICE for a service that NM forbade us to use??? How could any court determine we owed NM maintenance fees - PLUS LOAN SHARK INTEREST - when even paying those MF would not allow us access to our prepaid TS week?
The Courts accepted NM's loose $40M reno budget plus its 15% management fee as an operational expense that had to be paid by all those holding a TS lease. Huh???? We did not buy a share in a condo!
How could subsequent judges not rule in our favour?
I am grateful we found other like-minded people to rally together with and a lawyer willing to represent us. No way we could have taken on the game Wizard Wankle and the Northwynd/Northmont ourselves.
I don't regret fighting for fairness and justice - I'd do it all again to protect our rights! I do regret not recognizing and accepting much earlier in this legal battle that we were not going to get a judge to see this matter from our perspective. And I regret the painful realization that the timeshare industry in Canada is not well regulated to protect users who buy time.
The "blame game" will tear me up, a futile exercise in my view. The people behind Fairmont Resort Properties and Northwynd and Northmont are at fault. I hope the proper authorities are following the money!

 

[JAM DOWN]

Truthr

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish by going after the lawyer...Where were you when you read the transcript from the SuperConference that took place in January 2015? or read the 1,200+ page transcript from the JEKE hearing that took place in January 2016? or read all the Judgments/Decisions from all the court proceedings? I don't remember hearing your criticism. No doubt mistakes were made by the legal team and nobody is happy...not sure your post mortem 20/20 assessment of our legal team is the answer... at least today.
You were privy to insider information that you clearly used to"protect" our lawyer and divide the FB groups. You were clear about "knowing things" that only you could be "trusted"to know. As the "all knowing one" you were divisive and secretive. Your agenda wasn't to lead or unite and I clearly don't trust your agenda to go after the lawyer. There is time enough to hold people accountable ... I think we should be chasing down things that can help...to me going after the lawyer means that you have given up and that you need someone to blame...or ...you know something we don't?...Maybe you can fill us in about "All the Facts" and inform us!!

 

[truthr]

Truthr

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish by going after the lawyer...Where were you when you read the transcript from the SuperConference that took place in January 2015? or read the 1,200+ page transcript from the JEKE hearing that took place in January 2016? or read all the Judgments/Decisions from all the court proceedings? I don't remember hearing your criticism. No doubt mistakes were made by the legal team and nobody is happy...not sure your post mortem 20/20 assessment of our legal team is the answer... at least today.
You were privy to insider information that you clearly used to"protect" our lawyer and divide the FB groups. You were clear about "knowing things" that only you could be "trusted"to know. As the "all knowing one" you were divisive and secretive. Your agenda wasn't to lead or unite and I clearly don't trust your agenda to go after the lawyer. There is time enough to hold people accountable ... I think we should be chasing down things that can help...to me going after the lawyer means that you have given up and that you need someone to blame...or ...you know something we don't?...Maybe you can fill us in about "All the Facts" and inform us!!

If working with our lawyer was "protecting" him, then guilty as charged. I was always trying to assist where I could and that also meant challenging him at times to be more transparent with his clients. Through the years I did skim over things as others did but when the light bulb went off and that aha moment arrived and the pieces began falling together just recently I began searching through and thoroughly reading the massive amount of documents we were provided with and some we weren't that I paid to get.

I, and any other client, really should not have been "privy" to inside information - that is correct.

We should ALL have been provided with ALL the information at ALL times.

I, and I would wager others, welcome any suggestions from all in this horrible, time sensitive situation as to any and all potential solutions to stop this train wreck before it destroys people's lives any more than it already has.

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

Ultimate_Betrayal There are people that don't understand what you're trying to do, and that's to help them get motivated. The he$$ with the punctuation right now, your making a point to everyone to write a letter a.s.a.p. The Minister of Justice and all the other's will understand our letters are from regular/older people that are frantic on a deadline confused, betrayed, scared and trying to speak out for the first time, we're not college students or lawyers. Don't worry about punctuation so much as being respectful. Tell your/our story the best you can and make every sentence a point. Before you send your letters out go over it a hundred times like I did but even then you will have mistakes, we're not perfect.
After I sent one copy to Prime Minister Trudeau yesterday I was shaking. What would he think about my letter and mistakes? I realized he's like all of us, and maybe he has a timeshare for he's family. One day he might get to meet this gentleman we speak about. He is a family man, and I doubt for one moment he would allow this to happen to him. I realized I did the Prime Minister a favour....
Your letter shows exhaustion, devastation, and passion. Your trying to tell the truth, and we all are. We don't need this right now through the holidays and by the way Happy New Year! Your letter is an example to everyone to write a letter and not be scared, and I'd like to thank you for stepping up to the plate. I told you I didn't trust talking to you or anyone a couple of days ago, yet I needed encouragement and tried to reach out on this board. Like you said we have been conditioned this way. Which is a form of abuse, our rights, and freedom of speech has been taken from us leaving us vulnerable and in this exact position. I just wanted to give you a pat on the back who ever you are...lol. Your letter and my letter won't be enough, this group needs to pull together. I was and still am terrified which has given me my fight back, and if I'm going down I will go down fighting with my pride in hand. I have nothing to lose anymore. I will fight alone if I have to, or with who ever else wants to join us. Thank you.

Time to send more copies out......

Thanks for your strong and encouraging works of support.

I cleaned things up as best I can and have even had offers to assist in creating better more professional letters so thanks everyone for doing what you are GREAT at!!!

Lots of people have asked for the unedited version and I am hoping email boxes are getting full and faxes are running out of paper.

Keep up the good work everyone.

 

[JAM DOWN]

Truthr...please share your Aha moment...don't keep us in the dark...nothing to lose now...throw it up on your private FB page. No need to hold things close anymore...lets get it all out on the table so that we can "ALL" decide if you are on to something...looking forward to learning about what you know...logging in to FB now in anticipation...let me know when you post it.

 

[Scammed!]

Truthr...please share your Aha moment...don't keep us in the dark...nothing to lose now...throw it up on your private FB page. No need to hold things close anymore...lets get it all out on the table so that we can "ALL" decide if you are on to something...looking forward to learning about what you know...logging in to FB now in anticipation...let me know when you post it.

LAY OFF! I don't even know her, and at this point it doesn't matter. Your not helping this issue. You sound like a bully! Moving forward......

 

[F. Hugh Wankel]

Hello folks,

My wife and I have contacted the Service Alberta Consumer Investigations Unit with our concerns.

These links may be of use:
Service Alberta
https://www.servicealberta.ca/file-a-complaint.cfm
https://www.servicealberta.ca/file-a-complaint.cfm
Complaint Form
https://www.servicealberta.ca/pdf/Forms/Consumer_Complaint_Form.pdf

I wish you all the best of luck. The vile cretins of Northmont can all go to hell.

 

[GypsyOne]

Anyone can form an opinion but without ALL the facts it may not be a fully informed one.

Can you give us in point form what "all of the facts" are, or at least the top ten.