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[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

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It would be nice for someone, Judge, MP, Premier, Prime Minister, someone to acknowledge the big picture here. If you step back from it all, it's clear what's going on. The other destroyed resorts, the tactics of finding ways to get money from the lessees without accountability to put the money in the resort, off shore accounts, linkedin profile stating that this is precisely the strategy, comments from this group of this to another TS lessee at another resort saying, I paraphrase "go ahead and sue us, our money is held offshore", these should give someone with authority enough to show real concern, voice they're concern and say they need to look into this. It may or may not affect our situation but it should be clear to our leaders what is going on in the big picture here.

Maybe these officials were focused on the immediate issue, some have said there's nothing they can do BUT they should be stepping up and saying that this is a concern for all Canadians and the possibility that Canadian law has allowed a business strategy that directly targets innocent Canadians for large amounts of money has to be investigated and necessary measures to correct any issues will be taken.
 

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aden2, If you are settling then are you saying that even if you sign this settlement with all the gag orders and protections for NM ...

Wankel’s gag order is useless as it takes effect only when owners have signed the settlement and details have already been loaded onto the internet. It’s also easy to hide behind false user names
 
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I consulted an attorney from the US and one question that he had was if I was actually named in the lawsuit. Does Northmont have a judgement against me, JEKE or the Geldert group? Are we actually named in the lawsuit? He wants me to call the Canadian courts and ask if there is a suit filed against me personally. Any ideas or thoughts on this?
 

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aden2, in your case you were sold a TS when they were already going under and they completely misrepresented the sale to you, so fraud. I don't think you're settling so I don't follow your post. If you are settling then are you saying that even if you sign this settlement with all the gag orders and protections for NM, if they are later to be found fraudelent then the settlement gag order can't protect NM?

You, and there must be others like you who bought during that time, have a special case. I imagine NM wishes they were on the ball and didn't serve any of you, hoping to not poke the bear. I don't know how serious the consequences could be for NM and KW on this but maybe they'll get what's coming to them.
I have not settled but have requested investigation of NM regarding FRAUD. I filed a complaint with the Competition Bureau.
 
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Believe me, I know well who the wolves are. You should see my files. I was an early entry in this fight and have stayed in for the long haul - til now. I wish you well.
i do not think so ...your comments indicate that you are prepared to capitulate very unclear
 

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I just read item numbers 9 and 10 again. Every one of us new what our responsibilities were with these 2 items on our Vacation Villa Lease Contracts. Did we need this bully called the Trustee to petition the Supreme Court of BC to change our contract 1/Well designed Cancellation,are any of these time owners cancelled without having to pay more. 2/ This is not Special Assessment it is Capital expenditure. 50 weeks per condo times $4100=$215000.00 +GST. When you read over 9and10 do you see where the Trustee is responsible to calculate next years maintenance fees I do not? That is the job of the manager not the Trustee or the Judges. Why did they need freedom to Choose if the Special Assessment was part of 9/10. The Trustee had no right to do this. When we bought we went over our contract as well as the Fairmont Vacation Villas Consumer Protection Agreement . Was this agreement put in place to protect us From the Trustee and Northmont? I say Yes.When all of us bought did any one bring up the Trust Agreement and what the Trustee was all about? MG would never answer that question was it legal what the Trustee did?. Trustee your new 2010 Trust Agreement does not count I am talking about the agreement that was in place when I bought in 2001 and how do we know when this 2010 Agreement was written not that we do not Trust a Trustee. Is it legal to go back on maintenance payments that we paid years ago now a bankrupted resort? We all like your phoney Modification saying all Lease contracts mirror the JEK Contract. This is not a modification it is a unilateral amendment to our Lease Contracts. Both of these items you are to contact each one of us before you do this and this does not materially prejudice the rights of existing lessees. Every thing you and the Judges do materially prejudices the rights of existing lessees. Every one should email Premier Notley. premier@gov.ab.ca. Also email John Horgan. Premier of BC. premier@gov.bc.ca. Tell the Premier that you feel bill 31 should be grandfathered in because the tactics that Northmont are using is totally against our Lease contract and 2016 Modification was their illegal unilateral ammendments to our contracts. This is all Fraud and none of us would of bought a timeshare knowing that the Trustee had the right to do what he did. My email was sent over to the Justice department. It is your right to belong to the Canadian Anti-Fraud centre and you tell the RCMP that if necessary . Ph 1888-495-8501. I am not paying ever. The next time we are going to hire the best lawyer in Canada.
 

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I read that property settlement agreements can be invalidated due to: Mistakes, Fraud, Coercion or Undue Influence? I think this one meets all of the above :thumbup:

Shouldn't we check into this?
Where did you see/read that?
 

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I just read item numbers 9 and 10 again. Every one of us new what our responsibilities were with these 2 items on our Vacation Villa Lease Contracts. Did we need this bully called the Trustee to petition the Supreme Court of BC to change our contract 1/Well designed Cancellation,are any of these time owners cancelled without having to pay more. 2/ This is not Special Assessment it is Capital expenditure. 50 weeks per condo times $4100=$215000.00 +GST. When you read over 9and10 do you see where the Trustee is responsible to calculate next years maintenance fees I do not? That is the job of the manager not the Trustee or the Judges. Why did they need freedom to Choose if the Special Assessment was part of 9/10. The Trustee had no right to do this. When we bought we went over our contract as well as the Fairmont Vacation Villas Consumer Protection Agreement . Was this agreement put in place to protect us From the Trustee and Northmont? I say Yes.When all of us bought did any one bring up the Trust Agreement and what the Trustee was all about? MG would never answer that question was it legal what the Trustee did?. Trustee your new 2010 Trust Agreement does not count I am talking about the agreement that was in place when I bought in 2001 and how do we know when this 2010 Agreement was written not that we do not Trust a Trustee. Is it legal to go back on maintenance payments that we paid years ago now a bankrupted resort? We all like your phoney Modification saying all Lease contracts mirror the JEK Contract. This is not a modification it is a unilateral amendment to our Lease Contracts. Both of these items you are to contact each one of us before you do this and this does not materially prejudice the rights of existing lessees. Every thing you and the Judges do materially prejudices the rights of existing lessees. Every one should email Premier Notley. premier@gov.ab.ca. Also email John Horgan. Premier of BC. premier@gov.bc.ca. Tell the Premier that you feel bill 31 should be grandfathered in because the tactics that Northmont are using is totally against our Lease contract and 2016 Modification was their illegal unilateral ammendments to our contracts. This is all Fraud and none of us would of bought a timeshare knowing that the Trustee had the right to do what he did. My email was sent over to the Justice department. It is your right to belong to the Canadian Anti-Fraud centre and you tell the RCMP that if necessary . Ph 1888-495-8501. I am not paying ever. The next time we are going to hire the best lawyer in Canada.
I would urgent as many as possible to follow up on Spartk1's advice and go and file a complaint, "competition bureau.gc.ca"
 
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They protect the lawyers not us, nothing they can do for us. But I kept talking and I told her my personal issues of concern then mentioned the 1300 out there in the same situation and we're giving this kind of money and she was kind enough to tell me to find a lawyer IMMEDIATELY! Which I did as I haven't talked to one yet. But she cleared a few issues of how things should be done and we should not feel forced to make a decision or pressured. I've been overwhelmed. We should understand what we're signing and what it means, and know what the outcome will be after we sign.......and that I don't know and neither do any of you which made me realize I had to do something. I don't have this kind of money and I want this to END!
Totally fits the description of Elder Abuse, and that's a CRIME! Yeah, I AM playing the "old lady card" on this!
 

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i do not think so ...your comments indicate that you are prepared to capitulate very unclear

Some of us are at our capacity financially. We cannot afford anymore lawyer 's fees or another 10 thousand in interest. We cannot afford the downside, as it is we have to get a loan for 40 grand in our 70's. Wish we had exited long ago, this is outright fraud and extortion but can no longer afford the fight.
 

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Marciel. 40 Grand! How many weeks do you own? If multiples, Northmont or MG should be able to negotiate something for you?? That is ridiculous that something can’t be worked out so you don’t need to get a loan to pay that amount. This whole thing is a mess. Northmont is trying to get revenge and it sounds like MG is just wanting out of this and to move on. Don’t understand how MG can again charge more to do the settlements and pretty much saying pay me or I won’t help you! Thinking he has made a lot on this whole mess. All the lawyers made a lot of money on our backs
 

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We had an annual and biannual, the interest is the killer. There is no negotiating with these people. Many people on f.b. owe this, some less, some more, one guy owes 100 grand had 5 weeks. This is devastating many people financially. Many of us are retired and many are young couples having to cash in their kid's RESP's.
 

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We had an annual and biannual, the interest is the killer. There is no negotiating with these people. Many people on f.b. owe this, some less, some more, one guy owes 100 grand had 5 weeks. This is devastating many people financially. Many of us are retired and many are young couples having to cash in their kid's RESP's.
This settlement is breaking most of us financially and emotionally. Could MG not have negotiated a payment plan, like paying in installments or some way that we don't have to pay the enormous lump sum within such a short period of time?
 

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Where did you see/read that?

I couldn't sleep last night so I found it in the internet. This is what it said:
Can a Property Settlement Agreement Be Invalidated?
Yes. A court may declare any property settlement agreement to be invalid if the following are at issue:

  • Mistake: If the agreement contains mistakes that would seriously affect the distribution of property, a court may order the couple to redraft the agreement. States may vary in terms of how they treat mistakes that are mutually understood by the parties versus mistakes known to only one party
  • Fraud: The property settlement agreement must not be made under circumstances of fraud. Fraud in this context can include the use of deception or concealment to mislead the other party
  • Coercion or Undue Influence: The agreement must be mutually agreed upon. One party cannot force the other to sign the document under threat of physical harm or financial pressure
  • Unconscionable agreement: A settlement agreement is considered to be unconscionable if it is so unfair to one party as to require a re-drafting. Unconscionability is determined using many different factors, including the financial disposition of each individual.
Also if you look under contracts in Canada, these are some results:

In just the same way as contracts require offer, acceptance, consideration and an intention to create legal relations, agreements reached in mediation are no different. However, it is not always that simple in practice. Post mediation a party may, rather than becoming embroiled in arguments around setting aside any alleged agreement entered into, argue that no binding contract was ever reached between the parties. This may be on the basis that one or more of the constituent elements required for the formation of a contract are absent. Practically, to help avoid this issue arising, most standard mediation agreements provide that the parties will not be bound until the agreement is signed.

Illegality and mistake
A settlement agreement entered into between the parties may be declared void due to illegality (for example a contract that unlawfully fixes prices) or be unenforceable as being contrary to public policy (for example it amounts to a contract in restraint of trade). Equally, depending on its nature and effect, where the parties have made a fundamental mistake about some fact, this can result in the settlement agreement entered into being declared void.

Duress.
A contract which has been entered as the result of duress may be avoided by the party who was threatened. In each case, the wrongful or illegitimate threat must have had some causal effect on the decision to enter into the contract. It is important to remember that in commercial transactions, pressure and "hard bargaining" are commonplace and perfectly proper. Indeed many agreements are entered into under pressure (sometimes overwhelming). In these circumstances it will be important to distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate forms of pressure.

Negligence
A successful action in negligence against a mediator would require a party to establish that the mediator:
• owed a duty of care to the claimant
• breached the duty owed to the claimant
• in breach of his/her duty caused the claimant to suffer recoverable loss

Claims for breach of fiduciary duty
• In light of the relationship of trust between the parties and the mediator, there is a possibility that a party may bring a claim for breach of fiduciary duty against the mediator. Fiduciary duties which may be owed by a mediator to the parties (and therefore may be breached) may include a duty not to be biased, to be trustworthy and to be diligent. For example, a mediator may be in breach of those duties if s/he, in breach of any instructions received, withheld important information from a party to the mediation.

All of these seem to have occurred in the settlement that MG "the mediator" obtained for us, don't you think? Couldn't we do something about it instead of signing it and paying? Could anyone check with their friends that may have some legal knowledge? We can also send a message to Judge Young letting her know this agreement was forced on all of us, there is nothing amicable here!
 

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I couldn't sleep last night so I found it in the internet. This is what it said:
Can a Property Settlement Agreement Be Invalidated?
Yes. A court may declare any property settlement agreement to be invalid if the following are at issue:

  • Mistake: If the agreement contains mistakes that would seriously affect the distribution of property, a court may order the couple to redraft the agreement. States may vary in terms of how they treat mistakes that are mutually understood by the parties versus mistakes known to only one party
  • Fraud: The property settlement agreement must not be made under circumstances of fraud. Fraud in this context can include the use of deception or concealment to mislead the other party
  • Coercion or Undue Influence: The agreement must be mutually agreed upon. One party cannot force the other to sign the document under threat of physical harm or financial pressure
  • Unconscionable agreement: A settlement agreement is considered to be unconscionable if it is so unfair to one party as to require a re-drafting. Unconscionability is determined using many different factors, including the financial disposition of each individual.
Also if you look under contracts in Canada, these are some results:

In just the same way as contracts require offer, acceptance, consideration and an intention to create legal relations, agreements reached in mediation are no different. However, it is not always that simple in practice. Post mediation a party may, rather than becoming embroiled in arguments around setting aside any alleged agreement entered into, argue that no binding contract was ever reached between the parties. This may be on the basis that one or more of the constituent elements required for the formation of a contract are absent. Practically, to help avoid this issue arising, most standard mediation agreements provide that the parties will not be bound until the agreement is signed.

Illegality and mistake
A settlement agreement entered into between the parties may be declared void due to illegality (for example a contract that unlawfully fixes prices) or be unenforceable as being contrary to public policy (for example it amounts to a contract in restraint of trade). Equally, depending on its nature and effect, where the parties have made a fundamental mistake about some fact, this can result in the settlement agreement entered into being declared void.

Duress.
A contract which has been entered as the result of duress may be avoided by the party who was threatened. In each case, the wrongful or illegitimate threat must have had some causal effect on the decision to enter into the contract. It is important to remember that in commercial transactions, pressure and "hard bargaining" are commonplace and perfectly proper. Indeed many agreements are entered into under pressure (sometimes overwhelming). In these circumstances it will be important to distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate forms of pressure.

Negligence
A successful action in negligence against a mediator would require a party to establish that the mediator:
• owed a duty of care to the claimant
• breached the duty owed to the claimant
• in breach of his/her duty caused the claimant to suffer recoverable loss

Claims for breach of fiduciary duty
• In light of the relationship of trust between the parties and the mediator, there is a possibility that a party may bring a claim for breach of fiduciary duty against the mediator. Fiduciary duties which may be owed by a mediator to the parties (and therefore may be breached) may include a duty not to be biased, to be trustworthy and to be diligent. For example, a mediator may be in breach of those duties if s/he, in breach of any instructions received, withheld important information from a party to the mediation.

All of these seem to have occurred in the settlement that MG "the mediator" obtained for us, don't you think? Couldn't we do something about it instead of signing it and paying? Could anyone check with their friends that may have some legal knowledge? We can also send a message to Judge Young letting her know this agreement was forced on all of us, there is nothing amicable here!


Thank you, Petus, for sharing this great research!!! It seems to tick many of the boxes!! I wrote to JY 10 days ago and haven't been able to get any response yet but will write again and copy your research. Let's all do that!!
 

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And might I add flies in the face of the Alberta consumer protection act (the issue we are being forced to settle).
 

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Undue influence can also occur when there is a fiduciary relationship between the contracting parties. A fiduciary relationship exists when one party is in a position of trust in relation to the other, such as a family member, or someone with a certain professional relationship with the influenced party. Courts scrutinize contracts that involve fiduciary relationships much more closely than other contracts.
 

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Unconscionability
If a party was wrongly induced to enter into the contract or if the terms are grossly unfair to one party, the contract may not be enforced by the court. This usually occurs when one party is in a much stronger bargaining position than the other party. Often, the stronger party will know that the weaker party is unable to reasonably protect his interests and the resulting contract may be unconscionable and a court may determine it to be invalid.
 

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I couldn't sleep last night so I found it in the internet. This is what it said:
Can a Property Settlement Agreement Be Invalidated?
Yes. A court may declare any property settlement agreement to be invalid if the following are at issue:

  • Mistake: If the agreement contains mistakes that would seriously affect the distribution of property, a court may order the couple to redraft the agreement. States may vary in terms of how they treat mistakes that are mutually understood by the parties versus mistakes known to only one party
  • Fraud: The property settlement agreement must not be made under circumstances of fraud. Fraud in this context can include the use of deception or concealment to mislead the other party
  • Coercion or Undue Influence: The agreement must be mutually agreed upon. One party cannot force the other to sign the document under threat of physical harm or financial pressure
  • Unconscionable agreement: A settlement agreement is considered to be unconscionable if it is so unfair to one party as to require a re-drafting. Unconscionability is determined using many different factors, including the financial disposition of each individual.
Also if you look under contracts in Canada, these are some results:

In just the same way as contracts require offer, acceptance, consideration and an intention to create legal relations, agreements reached in mediation are no different. However, it is not always that simple in practice. Post mediation a party may, rather than becoming embroiled in arguments around setting aside any alleged agreement entered into, argue that no binding contract was ever reached between the parties. This may be on the basis that one or more of the constituent elements required for the formation of a contract are absent. Practically, to help avoid this issue arising, most standard mediation agreements provide that the parties will not be bound until the agreement is signed.

Illegality and mistake
A settlement agreement entered into between the parties may be declared void due to illegality (for example a contract that unlawfully fixes prices) or be unenforceable as being contrary to public policy (for example it amounts to a contract in restraint of trade). Equally, depending on its nature and effect, where the parties have made a fundamental mistake about some fact, this can result in the settlement agreement entered into being declared void.

Duress.
A contract which has been entered as the result of duress may be avoided by the party who was threatened. In each case, the wrongful or illegitimate threat must have had some causal effect on the decision to enter into the contract. It is important to remember that in commercial transactions, pressure and "hard bargaining" are commonplace and perfectly proper. Indeed many agreements are entered into under pressure (sometimes overwhelming). In these circumstances it will be important to distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate forms of pressure.

Negligence
A successful action in negligence against a mediator would require a party to establish that the mediator:
• owed a duty of care to the claimant
• breached the duty owed to the claimant
• in breach of his/her duty caused the claimant to suffer recoverable loss

Claims for breach of fiduciary duty
• In light of the relationship of trust between the parties and the mediator, there is a possibility that a party may bring a claim for breach of fiduciary duty against the mediator. Fiduciary duties which may be owed by a mediator to the parties (and therefore may be breached) may include a duty not to be biased, to be trustworthy and to be diligent. For example, a mediator may be in breach of those duties if s/he, in breach of any instructions received, withheld important information from a party to the mediation.

All of these seem to have occurred in the settlement that MG "the mediator" obtained for us, don't you think? Couldn't we do something about it instead of signing it and paying? Could anyone check with their friends that may have some legal knowledge? We can also send a message to Judge Young letting her know this agreement was forced on all of us, there is nothing amicable here!
Also when Fairmont lessees went to Northmont each individual should of had the choice to accept under Northmont or not! This did not happen why?
 

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Under contract law, a plaintiff can recover compensatory damages against a defendant when a court finds that the defendant has committed fraudulent misrepresentation. Courts will typically find that a defendant has committed fraudulent misrepresentation when six factors have been met:

  1. a representation was made
  2. the representation was false
  3. that when made, the defendant knew that the representation was false or that the defendant made the statement recklessly without knowledge of its truth
  4. that the fraudulent misrepresentation was made with the intention that the plaintiff rely on it
  5. that the plaintiff did rely on the fraudulent misrepresentation
  6. that the plaintiff suffered harm as a result of the fraudulent misrepresentation
 
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