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[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

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Hi, I'm new on the site, but a lessee, and feeling like this, this is just a cash grab. The settlement offer doesn't make sense to me, we gave up the leverage of blocking the downsizing of the resort for this? I consulted legally on my personal situation and was asked why this didn't go to the Supreme Court of Canada. With the uncertainty and confusion around timeshares it was thought it would have been a great opportunity. If I were a rich man.........

Was there ever any doubt it is just a cash grab? We were kept hanging with the promise of a class action. We were then told it would take too long and imagine what our invoices would be by then?? Were you consulted, nor was I, however considering the history, perhaps a wise decision. The Supreme court probably a good idea with different representation!

We still have the appeal open Re Northmont vs Reid, but we don't have legal representation? As for the civil claims against all of us, we each need to follow up and prepare to appear in Court. Get all of your documents from Geldert and ensure he is not charging you for all the work he is doing for Northmont. Collecting money for Northmont was not part of our retainers. He needs to account for everything he is charging us.
 

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My fear is that the release is so poorly documented by MG that even if we pay to get out, the nightmare continues and we’re not out! Anybody have a lawyer with a real brain look at this? I am because someone smarter than me looked at it and doesn’t like how it reads. What part guarantees we are truly out? I am not counting on the legal system after the fact to fix a reoccurring nightmare.
 

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Just a thought why not donate our timeshares to some major charity like kids with cancer so the kids can use it as a camp for families etc.Then if NM goes after them public opinion would crucify them.
 

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Just a thought why not donate our timeshares to some major charity like kids with cancer so the kids can use it as a camp for families etc.Then if NM goes after them public opinion would crucify them.
Since when has this gang shown any remorse, conscience, or concern for public opinion?
 

MgolferL

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Getting back in is not an option?? If you haven't signed the settlement agreement, then you are still an owner. And, if you pay your outstanding account, including the interest and costs to be determined, then you should have full use of your timeshare. If not, Northmont is in default. It truly does defy logic and it's hard to believe that MG, as representative of this group, would pass on this kind of information.

1. How can we NOT still be "owners", when we (At least I) received an invoice from Northmont... Dated Nov 30, 2017...asking for payment going back to 2013? I am going to call them and ask them what happens IF I pay this invoice today...

2. Spoke thru an intermediator to one the original attorneys prior to MG, who backed out early because they didn't like the strategy MG and gang were going to use. They are looking into as they have been contacted by several people. They mainly are interested in the interest rates as they "think" they may illegal based on a couple of class action suits.

3. MG advised us NOT to pay maintenance fees. I have retained all the emails and have several with that claim. The PROPER procedure would have been to put the fees into a trust pending judgement and the interest would have stopped...according to a lawyer, as well as.... All attorneys have to carry insurance in case they make an error in advice costing they clients money. As MG has totally messed this up, we ALL need to file with the legal boards. Because of his advice, we are all out thousands, and don't know for sure, but may have a claim against him that his insurance might have to cover. It is worth a try people, don't sit on the fence.

4. Lastly, if NM were to settle as in point 1 above, I would stay JUST TO MAKE THEIR LIFE HELL FROM THE INSIDE...Just sayin'
 

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Alberta has consumer protection laws that do apply to this situation. Therefore everyone involved should read the Alberta Fair Trading Act and focus on section 6 (3) unfair practices section 7(1) cancelling agreements also look at Bill 31 amendments, section 6.1 unilateral changes to contracts, section 6.2 (4) cancellation following notice of unilateral change. The above are defined as unfair and illegal practices under Alberta law, so why is the government not holding Northmont accountable for violating these laws??? Call your MLA and demand to know why Service Alberta is not enforcing these laws.

We need to get more letters out to Ms Stephanie McLean this week. She is in the news again this morning championing women's rights and there are a lot of women being hurt by this, whose rights are being stomped on by greedy, unethical white accountants... She was appointed Minister of Service Alberta and Status of Women on February 2, 2016. seems she should have several interests with this...
 

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In terms of the contractual rights/obligations explicitly stated in the lease/VIA, it is true that Northmont has assumed those obligations/rights. But Northmont did not assume any of liabilities of Fairmont. The court explicitly states this in para 161 of the JEKE v Northmont

[161] The Foreclosure Agreement also specifically addressed which Fairmont liabilities were being assumed, or more importantly, not being assumed. The following definition from the Foreclosure Agreement applies: “Fairmont Retained Liabilities" means each and every obligation, indebtedness (Including all of the debt obligations, trade payables and other liabilities related to the ownership or operation of the Fairmont Foreclosed Assets, to Fairmont or to the Fairmont Business) or other liability or accrued liability of Fairmont and whether existing or contingent, in tort or by way of any contract, permit, licence or other agreement, any deed or instrument, any judgement order of a court or other authority having jurisdiction, any statute, regulation, order-in-council, bylaw, policy or other decision of act of any Authority, any rule or operation of law or in any other way arising, whether similar to any of the foregoing or otherwise, but excludes any liabilities expressly assumed by the Creditor pursuant to section 2.3(c). (para. 1.1(zzz))
But according to the "Bankruptcy and Insolvent Act" business cannot be done unless their is full disclosure other wise I think it could be called FRAUD!!!
 

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All true and well stated...let's face it. No one cares but us! (and maybe Danielle Smith) Had we just paid to get out at the onset, we would have been much further ahead. Right now I am left wondering why we have to pay for our lawyers hubris or negligence. The settlement is...wait for it...maintenance fees for the past five years, restructuring fees, legal fees, fees to cancel lease and 27% interest...nice negotiating! So where do we go from here??
who stoped you
Hi, I'm new on the site, but a lessee, and feeling like this, this is just a cash grab. The settlement offer doesn't make sense to me, we gave up the leverage of blocking the downsizing of the resort for this? I consulted legally on my personal situation and was asked why this didn't go to the Supreme Court of Canada. With the uncertainty and confusion around timeshares it was thought it would have been a great opportunity. If I were a rich man.........
Good idea but we cannot sell our T.S. without the approval of Northmont. Incorporate is definitely the way to go, put the company into bankruptcy and walk away, after we've paid the legal fees. This entire scam has put people into personal bankruptcy, seniors on fixed incomes having to take out loans, mtge their homes, cash in RRSP's all in the name of greed. This is happening in Canada, folks un believable.
 
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1. How can we NOT still be "owners", when we (At least I) received an invoice from Northmont... Dated Nov 30, 2017...asking for payment going back to 2013? I am going to call them and ask them what happens IF I pay this invoice today...
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Adding to this. If we ask to come back in, how could they justify demanding us to pay 26.8% interest on the renovation project? They only renovated 3 of the buildings as far as I understand. The funds from the 4,000 that decided to stay would have covered the costs of these renovations. How can you charge interest on work not done?
 

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I need someone to clarify the default clause 13 in my lease that states "In the event that default in payment in not remedied within 16 months from the date of such default, then the Lessee shall be deemed to have offered to sell the Lessee's leasehold interest to the Lessor for an amount equal to fifty percent of one fortieth of the purchase price..." It goes on to say how much the Lessor would owe the Lessee if they sold it within a year of taking it back. How do we get NM to take back our leases, as I am offering mine back to them? I have been in default now for almost five years, thanks to the advice of one who shall go unnamed. My lease also specifically sets out a late charge of 2% per month of the amount past due. So 24%. That may not seem like much difference from 26.8%, however that is not a rate I ever agreed to pay.
 

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1. How can we NOT still be "owners", when we (At least I) received an invoice from Northmont... Dated Nov 30, 2017...asking for payment going back to 2013? I am going to call them and ask them what happens IF I pay this invoice today...

2. Spoke thru an intermediator to one the original attorneys prior to MG, who backed out early because they didn't like the strategy MG and gang were going to use. They are looking into as they have been contacted by several people. They mainly are interested in the interest rates as they "think" they may illegal based on a couple of class action suits.

3. MG advised us NOT to pay maintenance fees. I have retained all the emails and have several with that claim. The PROPER procedure would have been to put the fees into a trust pending judgement and the interest would have stopped...according to a lawyer, as well as.... All attorneys have to carry insurance in case they make an error in advice costing they clients money. As MG has totally messed this up, we ALL need to file with the legal boards. Because of his advice, we are all out thousands, and don't know for sure, but may have a claim against him that his insurance might have to cover. It is worth a try people, don't sit on the fence.

4. Lastly, if NM were to settle as in point 1 above, I would stay JUST TO MAKE THEIR LIFE HELL FROM THE INSIDE...Just sayin'
We are still owners/lessees. If we pay the invoice they sent out, we would continue to be in. Please let us know if you find out otherwise.
 

Roxanne

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THEPETITIONSITE.COM. Every one should go to Facebook on the search for people,places and things and sign Dorthy Zazelenckuk. Northwynd Class Action Lawsuit. Dorthy needs you help we need 1000 signers. Thanks
Just signed the petition. Thanks for sharing this with all of us.
 

MgolferL

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We are still owners/lessees. If we pay the invoice they sent out, we would continue to be in. Please let us know if you find out otherwise.

I spoke with customer "care" at NM. They (customer "care") do not know specific details BUT in regards to the two items...
1. If you have received a previous invoice and IF you are with MG, they have been advised by their mgmt. to tell the "customer" to contact Geldert and have been given instructions not to accept payment directly.

2. IF you wanted to stay in at this point, AND if you are with MG, they again (customer "care"), not knowing specifics, have been told by their mgmt. to have the person(s) enquiring contact MG.

In other words, they do NOT want to talk with, be associated with, or have anything to do with us going forward and would like to rid their life of us as soon as quickly as possible...with money in hand of course. Talk about a bad divorce... (all my words BTW, but I think a fair assessment)

Last comment - the lady at customer "care" was very nice and professional...not at all like the b**** that actually talked us into moving to the "dark-side" 5 years ago. She could have hung up and moved on and not answered any questions (which in reality she didn't anyway) but chose to stay on the line....point being...she was nice, they are still scum bags and according to them MG is the answer man....and no, they will not take our money to stay now.
 

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I spoke with customer "care" at NM. They (customer "care") do not know specific details BUT in regards to the two items...
1. If you have received a previous invoice and IF you are with MG, they have been advised by their mgmt. to tell the "customer" to contact Geldert and have been given instructions not to accept payment directly.

2. IF you wanted to stay in at this point, AND if you are with MG, they again (customer "care"), not knowing specifics, have been told by their mgmt. to have the person(s) enquiring contact MG.

In other words, they do NOT want to talk with, be associated with, or have anything to do with us going forward and would like to rid their life of us as soon as quickly as possible...with money in hand of course. Talk about a bad divorce... (all my words BTW, but I think a fair assessment)

Last comment - the lady at customer "care" was very nice and professional...not at all like the b**** that actually talked us into moving to the "dark-side" 5 years ago. She could have hung up and moved on and not answered any questions (which in reality she didn't anyway) but chose to stay on the line....point being...she was nice, they are still scum bags and according to them MG is the answer man....and no, they will not take our money to stay now.
Wow. Thanks so much for that information. So now NM will only take our money to leave unless we work out something with MG if we want to stay.
 
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Wow. Thanks so much for that information. So now NM will only take our money to leave unless we work out something with MG if we want to stay.

Unfortunately this confirms what "Fairmont lovers" posted in post 3483. They got their info from MG and I got basically the same answer from NM.

They know they have "won" in the courts so we of no consequence to them any longer as the clock is ticking down. With the under-whelming support of politicians and even courts they know they can have a "no prisoners" attitude.

Perhaps we could have a town-hall meeting and have KW present the NM business model...think he would show up?
 
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1. How can we NOT still be "owners", when we (At least I) received an invoice from Northmont... Dated Nov 30, 2017...asking for payment going back to 2013? I am going to call them and ask them what happens IF I pay this invoice today...

2. Spoke thru an intermediator to one the original attorneys prior to MG, who backed out early because they didn't like the strategy MG and gang were going to use. They are looking into as they have been contacted by several people. They mainly are interested in the interest rates as they "think" they may illegal based on a couple of class action suits.

3. MG advised us NOT to pay maintenance fees. I have retained all the emails and have several with that claim. The PROPER procedure would have been to put the fees into a trust pending judgement and the interest would have stopped...according to a lawyer, as well as.... All attorneys have to carry insurance in case they make an error in advice costing they clients money. As MG has totally messed this up, we ALL need to file with the legal boards. Because of his advice, we are all out thousands, and don't know for sure, but may have a claim against him that his insurance might have to cover. It is worth a try people, don't sit on the fence.

4. Lastly, if NM were to settle as in point 1 above, I would stay JUST TO MAKE THEIR LIFE HELL FROM THE INSIDE...Just sayin'



I asked about paying and the accumulating interest as well easily 2 possibly 3 times in the past directly to MG and i do have his replies to not pay. Im not a lawyer i relied on his advice in this mess. If it was more appropriate to advise payment we would have. And i dont consider this an excellent deal when there was no neutral mediator or arbitrator present basically we've been thrown under the bus. And lastly theres no way in hell NM has been put out by this much money id like to see the financial statements to show this. Without all these weeks in use theyve saved a ton of money from it. So really its mostly punitive.
 

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Why would any of us want to stay? They can charge whatever exit fee and maintenance fee that they want. Basically court sanctioned. We are just an open wallet to this company. I LOVED that valley but now I drive farther and vacation in the okanagan. If time is limited it is a very quick flight to Kelowna. If I do go to the valley I take all of my groceries and adult drinks. There are so many beautiful places around us I refuse to give that valley much of my time or money. I'd like to be able to stop going to BC over this but I realize I can't so I just go further or to Fernie. Same distance different MLA. The only thing anyone understands is $. Don't give them yours.

Does anyone really believe they are working to make the resort better? Or just put more $ in their pockets? I predict they will go bankrupt or sell the resort soon. They do not want to run a resort. They only want the $ from a group that has lots of members and don't have an effective way to communicate with each other.That's why they never set up an HOA, they would have had to answer to someone.

If you absolutely have to go use any other timeshare to trade in to Fairmont with. I'm sure it won't be a hard trade and you have a much better chance of dealing with an ethical company. Or better yet use an airbnb. Anything that protects your assets from this group. I really, really, really need to believe in karma. How anyone can associate with this group without feeling utter repulsion is beyond me. How do they hold their heads up in public? I've always said I would love my children no matter what they do but if they became people who would ruin thousands of people just because they can I likely would rarely communicate with them. Anyone can make a mistake but no one should enjoy feeding off of the weak. I will be the better person I will pay them what the courts say I owe and then I will never communicate with them again.
 

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THEPETITIONSITE.COM. Every one should go to Facebook on the search for people,places and things and sign Dorthy Zazelenckuk. Northwynd Class Action Lawsuit. Dorthy needs you help we need 1000 signers. Thanks
It's a mouthful, that last name...correct spelling is Dorothy Zazelenchuk....thepetitionsite.com and thanks for getting it out there!
 

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"It's their responsibility to enforce the law, not just declare a winner in the debate between lawyers"
You are so right about that. I couldn't have said it better.
That's why I plan to represent myself on appeal. An ex-lawyer awarding points over two lawyers in a pissing contest means that the reality and context of our issue is lost in the legal posturing. We need to put a human face to this, speak from the heart, and probably spark some interest in an otherwise dull day for a presiding Judge.
 

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I asked about paying and the accumulating interest as well easily 2 possibly 3 times in the past directly to MG and i do have his replies to not pay. Im not a lawyer i relied on his advice in this mess. If it was more appropriate to advise payment we would have. And i dont consider this an excellent deal when there was no neutral mediator or arbitrator present basically we've been thrown under the bus. And lastly theres no way in hell NM has been put out by this much money id like to see the financial statements to show this. Without all these weeks in use theyve saved a ton of money from it. So really its mostly punitive.
What enrages me even more, if that is possible...is that we paid for this advice and continue to if we sign the settlement.
 

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Why would any of us want to stay? They can charge whatever exit fee and maintenance fee that they want. Basically court sanctioned. We are just an open wallet to this company. I LOVED that valley but now I drive farther and vacation in the okanagan. If time is limited it is a very quick flight to Kelowna. If I do go to the valley I take all of my groceries and adult drinks. There are so many beautiful places around us I refuse to give that valley much of my time or money. I'd like to be able to stop going to BC over this but I realize I can't so I just go further or to Fernie. Same distance different MLA. The only thing anyone understands is $. Don't give them yours.

Does anyone really believe they are working to make the resort better? Or just put more $ in their pockets? I predict they will go bankrupt or sell the resort soon. They do not want to run a resort. They only want the $ from a group that has lots of members and don't have an effective way to communicate with each other.That's why they never set up an HOA, they would have had to answer to someone.

If you absolutely have to go use any other timeshare to trade in to Fairmont with. I'm sure it won't be a hard trade and you have a much better chance of dealing with an ethical company. Or better yet use an airbnb. Anything that protects your assets from this group. I really, really, really need to believe in karma. How anyone can associate with this group without feeling utter repulsion is beyond me. How do they hold their heads up in public? I've always said I would love my children no matter what they do but if they became people who would ruin thousands of people just because they can I likely would rarely communicate with them. Anyone can make a mistake but no one should enjoy feeding off of the weak. I will be the better person I will pay them what the courts say I owe and then I will never communicate with them again.
I just read Collin Knight's business profile (or brag sheet) which stated that we had a rather successful HOA, or whatever that statement meant.
• HOA’s at Fairmont, BC are doing in excess of $15 million annually.
 
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