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[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

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Can it be verified that a financial statement audit was never done by our legal council? Does Canada have a right to appeal on the basis of ineffective council for civil cases? I would hope the courts would find a way to show some compassion for the commoners. This is the beginning of the end of the time share industry in Canada. Even Mexico protects their time share industry. I wonder which resort NW has next in their sights. I bet it's in Canada. Might be a good idea to warn Vancouver.
 

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Kudos to Truth Renaissance for being in the spotlight! You highlighted our problem well. Caller Ryan made an excellent point re major problem: judge finding we TS lease holders must pay for ALL costs! My heart goes out to the daughter who has landed into this horrific mess while her mom is in palliative care.
I don't care what the Courts say the law allows, Northwynd/Northmont must show compassion...
Where did you go to listen to this? I'm on their website and it just shows a little of 14 minutes of conversation with Truth.
 

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Thank you truthr. I think you did a fantastic job in presenting the issues. Clear, concise, objective. Wish they would have allowed more time to be spent on our issues. I think you should be very proud of yourself.

I hope this motivates all of our group to continue contacting the media and government.

Our predicament definitely doesn't pass the smell test. Unfortunately, there is no right and wrong for k.w. and northmont. There is merely what they can get away with.
 

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Can it be verified that a financial statement audit was never done by our legal council? Does Canada have a right to appeal on the basis of ineffective council for civil cases? I would hope the courts would find a way to show some compassion for the commoners. This is the beginning of the end of the time share industry in Canada. Even Mexico protects their time share industry. I wonder which resort NW has next in their sights. I bet it's in Canada. Might be a good idea to warn Vancouver.
There was an audit ordered and done by Service Alberta, and turned over to the RCMP. Calgary RCMP was in charge of the investigation. Supt. Frank Smart was in charge of the investigation but has moved to Taber RCMP.
 

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I'd like to thank the Canadian friends for their efforts in this. Not knowing the Canadian legal system puts us in the USA at a disadvantage. I'll be doing everything I can from this side of the border to pressure our politicians to put pressure on your politicians. Good Luck!
 

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I'd like to thank the Canadian friends for their efforts in this. Not knowing the Canadian legal system puts us in the USA at a disadvantage. I'll be doing everything I can from this side of the border to pressure our politicians to put pressure on your politicians. Good Luck!
Same goes for me. You guys are great. Thanks for having our backs! Doing all I can this side of the border
 

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Have any of the US folks looked at any consumer protection law or fair trade??
 

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I've thought a few times about how this doesn't seem like it could be real life. I wouldn't call this my epiphany, but I thought that there are some things I could help some in a red flag that some may not have understood in some of the background.

Reference has been made to a book authored by Kirk Wankel. "WoW Factor: an Insider's Look at the Real Skills Developed in the Virtual World of Warcraft". I'm going to C&P a few lines from the synopsis. It tells what I want it to tell so here is a full reference.

https://books.google.ca/books/about/WoW_Factor.html?id=opqlcQAACAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en

From the overview :

- "Every day players develop valuable skills in the virtual World of Warcraft. The raid leader that helped your guild complete the latest expansion could be training to become the next great CEO."
- "The player cornering the gem market on the Auction House is preparing for a career as a Wall Street commodities broker"
- "WoW Factor helped me realize the wealth of experience I had at my fingertips as a World of Warcraft raid leader."
- " It connects examples from the real world and World of Warcraft, through a strong narrative approach, which enables the reader to relate to the World of Warcraft player and the skills and experience they are generating from their time spent online."

In the overview above, how do you like that word "raid"?

I'm going to oversimplify and I also need to admit my experience and exposure to the game is only fairly modest.

But understand this - World of Warcraft is a game. So I think that reference may have been misunderstood by a very large part of the demographic group involved in this time-share dispute.

World of Warcraft is what's called a massively multiplayer online role-playing game or MMORPG. In it you develop a character chosen from character classes. Each class has different strengths and potential roles. You add secondary skills and functions to your character. Most of the gameplay itself centers around quests. Completing quests usually reward with a combination of money, items, and experience points.

There are a couple avenues that gameplay is accomplished. We can summarize these as PVE and PVP. PVE is player versus environment. PVP is player versus player. I am no longer familiar enough to know which battlegrounds have become most prevalent in the game environment. However, PVP is very much a battleground that has a set objective, such as capturing a flag or defeating an opposing general, that must be completed to win the battleground. It very much be set to a player making themselves attackable to players of the opposite faction. Many of the quests you can complete in the game call for a raid.

So let me end with a line from our last maintenance fee communication. Maybe these are entirely different things. But this line angered me just the same. "As we have now successfully defeated the delinquent group...." My original intention in pursuing litigation was because I questioned the validity of the RPF. That's my right. That's an avenue that our society has developed to address disagreements. And while I may have to accept the judgements that were not in my favor, it's nothing but vindictive actions I see with the super inflating of the monies being sought.
 

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I'd like to thank the Canadian friends for their efforts in this. Not knowing the Canadian legal system puts us in the USA at a disadvantage. I'll be doing everything I can from this side of the border to pressure our politicians to put pressure on your politicians. Good Luck!
Yes, please do. If our politicians decide to ignore us they won't be able to ignore your politician.s
 

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I've thought a few times about how this doesn't seem like it could be real life. I wouldn't call this my epiphany, but I thought that there are some things I could help some in a red flag that some may not have understood in some of the background.

Reference has been made to a book authored by Kirk Wankel. "WoW Factor: an Insider's Look at the Real Skills Developed in the Virtual World of Warcraft". I'm going to C&P a few lines from the synopsis. It tells what I want it to tell so here is a full reference.

https://books.google.ca/books/about/WoW_Factor.html?id=opqlcQAACAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en

From the overview :

- "Every day players develop valuable skills in the virtual World of Warcraft. The raid leader that helped your guild complete the latest expansion could be training to become the next great CEO."
- "The player cornering the gem market on the Auction House is preparing for a career as a Wall Street commodities broker"
- "WoW Factor helped me realize the wealth of experience I had at my fingertips as a World of Warcraft raid leader."
- " It connects examples from the real world and World of Warcraft, through a strong narrative approach, which enables the reader to relate to the World of Warcraft player and the skills and experience they are generating from their time spent online."

In the overview above, how do you like that word "raid"?

I'm going to oversimplify and I also need to admit my experience and exposure to the game is only fairly modest.

But understand this - World of Warcraft is a game. So I think that reference may have been misunderstood by a very large part of the demographic group involved in this time-share dispute.

World of Warcraft is what's called a massively multiplayer online role-playing game or MMORPG. In it you develop a character chosen from character classes. Each class has different strengths and potential roles. You add secondary skills and functions to your character. Most of the gameplay itself centers around quests. Completing quests usually reward with a combination of money, items, and experience points.

There are a couple avenues that gameplay is accomplished. We can summarize these as PVE and PVP. PVE is player versus environment. PVP is player versus player. I am no longer familiar enough to know which battlegrounds have become most prevalent in the game environment. However, PVP is very much a battleground that has a set objective, such as capturing a flag or defeating an opposing general, that must be completed to win the battleground. It very much be set to a player making themselves attackable to players of the opposite faction. Many of the quests you can complete in the game call for a raid.

So let me end with a line from our last maintenance fee communication. Maybe these are entirely different things. But this line angered me just the same. "As we have now successfully defeated the delinquent group...." My original intention in pursuing litigation was because I questioned the validity of the RPF. That's my right. That's an avenue that our society has developed to address disagreements. And while I may have to accept the judgements that were not in my favor, it's nothing but vindictive actions I see with the super inflating of the monies being sought.

You are exactly right in your assessment...defeating the "delinquents" became the number one goal of NM (at any cost). The statements we are to receive shall be the punishment we are to endure. NM will then enjoy the spoils of war as any (?) victor would and shall feast upon the souls and flesh of the defeated in great celebration.
 

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I personally want to thank Truthr for speaking out and being my voice today! Also Ryan and Jim, great points were brought up. This is not over..........Just the way NM responded shows their true colours, and that was not professional at all! Did they really win? We'll see.....
 
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Ok. I listened to the whole radio show. Now that we have Danielle Smith’s attention, I’m wondering if we should all flood her inbox thanking her for hosting Truth on the show and then sharing our personal stories. If she gets inundated, global news will probably pick it up as a major story. danielle@newstalk770.com - Let’s not let the radio show be one and done.
 

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Ok. I listened to the whole radio show. Now that we have Danielle Smith’s attention, I’m wondering if we should all flood her inbox thanking her for hosting Truth on the show and then sharing our personal stories. If she gets inundated, global news will probably pick it up as a major story. danielle@newstalk770.com - Let’s not let the radio show be one and done.
Already done!

Hi Danielle:

I'm writing to say thank you for giving the timeshare owners at Sunchaser a spot on your radio show today. I live in Kelowna and so I could not hear the entire show with the phone in's however from what I heard in the 15 minutes on the internet, you did a great job of grasping our dilemma and bringing it to light - thank you!!!

I bought a timeshare from Fairmont in 1994 and signed a ''lease agreement'' and we very much enjoyed vacationing there as well as trading it through Interval International for places warmer in the winter months. You've heard most of the story except perhaps about the greed of Northmont that we are finding most difficult to accept. Their price tag for someone in good standing to leave the resort is now $16,000 and keep in mind that you give up your timeshare with that. A timeshare that's been fully paid for and in my case had 20 years remaining when this all started is surrendered to Northmont and we have to pay to do that!

So for the past 4 years our family has been unable to use or trade our timeshare because of this disagreement and they have continued to charge maintenance fees and credit card interest on these fees. In 3 years a debt doubles at these rates! I have been billed about $8,000 but with interest my account is now over $21,000 and we are being treated like criminals.

Hard to believe this type of thing can happen in Canada, but as sad as it is, I guess greed is everywhere.

Again thank you for your help. I hope you have opened the door for further exposure on this travesty! I think public awareness is our only hope to put pressure on the system that allows this to happen.

Cheers
 

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Danielle,

I just wanted to reach out and thank you for discussing the time share dilemma on your program that is affecting so many of us with the hope the story could reach more people.

First, I would like to give you a little bit of information on our personal situation. We purchased a leasehold interest in a timeshare in Canada at Farimont in 1997 for $11,770 Canadian dollars. We have always paid our fees on time until 2013. In 2013, the resort under new ownership claimed they needed an additional $4,000 from us to do major rebuilding. This amount varied depending on the amount of interest you had at the resort.
Many of us rejected this and hired an attorney. At one time there were over 1,300 of us being represented by Michael Geldert from Vancouver Canada.

On our attorney’s advice we were told not to pay anything else to the resort, which turned out to be a mistake. This has been in the Canadian Courts for some time. We had one favorable outcome but lost twice. There was going to be another court hearing in December 2017, but that didn’t happen. Sunchaser, the resort owners who never wanted to negotiate in good faith decided they were ready to settle. Sunchaser’s only stipulation was that they would negotiate only if Mr. Geldert had the authority to settle on everyone’s behalf. Mr Geldert, sent us a letter to sign giving him the authority to settle for us. I believe the vast majority of his clients agreed to this. We also agreed to let him settle in good faith.

However, we did not get a favorable outcome. From the time we hired Mr. Geldert he always stressed that any settlement had to be fair and reasonable so we assumed if there was a settlement it would be fair. But we don’t believe the settlement was fair because it is showing us owing them over $25,000CAD, which $11,432 is interest on past due amounts. The interest rate is 26.82% which seems excessive. Also, an additional 20% was added to the final amount. Upon receiving this information from Mr. Geldert, I promptly reminded him that in 2013, the resort gave us the option to buy out of the resort for $3,822CAD and on your advice we refused the offer because he felt we could do better.

How this has gotten to this point is crazy and unimaginable. My wife and I and many other people were never told by our lawyer that we could potentially give Sunchaser a blank check.

Thank you
 
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I'd like to thank the Canadian friends for their efforts in this. Not knowing the Canadian legal system puts us in the USA at a disadvantage. I'll be doing everything I can from this side of the border to pressure our politicians to put pressure on your politicians. Good Luck!
I am also in the USA, and i dont know who else to reach out too. i was transferred this from my dad, 4 months before fiasco because he was 90 and couldnt deal with the payments or anything anymore. i contacted the ambassador in canada, and left unanswered. - is there a brief outline you have or someone we should be contacting here?
 
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So we received our December 2017 invoice from Northmont and our "settlement" is $1,000 more!!!! Where is the settlement??? Anyone else have the same??
 

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Geldert has learned well from the crooks he's been dealing with. He want's another $250 to settle the claim for each of 1295 people in his group. That's another $323,750 in this pocket - not bad for the week work! How can I possibly pay him for screwing my out of my hard earned money. I'm too upset to say much more right now.....
 

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Geldert has learned well from the crooks he's been dealing with. He want's another $250 to settle the claim for each of 1295 people in his group. That's another $323,750 in this pocket - not bad for the week work! How can I possibly pay him for screwing my out of my hard earned money. I'm too upset to say much more right now.....
Did you get a message from him recently???
 
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