[2010] RMI Property Group

[sedona pines]

I'm new to this, and know virtually nothing about timeshares. My mom has several, is elderly, and unfortunately the victim of at least 5 scams, totaling about $9k!!. She never signed contracts nor credit card receipts, but unfortunately gave out her credit card info and is now on the hook. The companies are RMI Property Group, Vacation Max, TS Luxury Group, PVP, and a charge from CIPPay.com.

Any suggestions or input other than going through the State AG's office? Visa won't reverse since she gave out the card #.

Thanks in advance for your help

You can file complaints with the BBB, and the Attorney General's office in your state and file lawsuits in small claims court. RMIPG is likely the biggest offender and they piggyback scamming by getting $$ up front to advertise your property (claiming they have a buyer) on their website. Then another company claims they have a buyer for your timeshare after seeing the ad on RMIPG website. They almost got my sister with the piggyback scheme, but she wised up immediately after supplying her credit card # and called the credit card company to stop payout immediately. This is huge and they must be stopped. Good Luck!
PS: take away your mom's phone privileges and/or her credit card information!

 

[BobbyM]

You can file complaints with the BBB, and the Attorney General's office in your state and file lawsuits in small claims court. RMIPG is likely the biggest offender and they piggyback scamming by getting $$ up front to advertise your property (claiming they have a buyer) on their website. Then another company claims they have a buyer for your timeshare after seeing the ad on RMIPG website. They almost got my sister with the piggyback scheme, but she wised up immediately after supplying her credit card # and called the credit card company to stop payout immediately. This is huge and they must be stopped. Good Luck!
PS: take away your mom's phone privileges and/or her credit card information!

Thank you so much for your help. We're working on the PS issues.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

What about Timeshares By Owner, any dealing with them?

From the Office of the Florida Attorney General: Attorney General Announces Additional Consumer Protection Efforts Against Timeshare Resale Scams (edited for brevity - click on the link for the full article)

TALLAHASSEE, FL - Attorney General Bill McCollum today announced that his office has filed lawsuits against three Florida companies, alleging the companies and their owners used deceptive and unfair practices that enticed consumers to spend hundreds of dollars to advertise their timeshares for resale with the companies.
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The lawsuits name Timeshares By Owners, Gold Crown Property Management Inc., and International Marketing and Finance Group.
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The Attorney General’s Economic Crimes Division began investigating the companies sued today after receiving numerous consumer complaints, alleging the companies were using false or misleading sales pitches to induce consumers into paying up-front fees for the companies’ advertising services. According to consumer complaints, each of the companies misled consumers into believing that the companies had buyers ready to purchase the consumers’ timeshares. Consumers have also reported that the companies promised to sell the timeshares within a given period of time. When the companies’ services did not perform as promised, the consumers allege that the companies would not provide refunds.

The lawsuit naming Timeshares Direct, Inc., which does business as Timeshares By Owner, alleges that the company is in violation of a 2001 settlement with the Attorney General’s Office. According to that settlement, the company was prohibited from using misleading sales tactics, such as claiming to have a buyer waiting to purchase the consumer’s timeshare, to induce consumers into advertising their timeshares with the company. Since 2007, the Attorney General’s Office has received more than 180 consumer complaints alleging that Timeshares By Owner is not honoring conditions of the settlement. The lawsuit, which names two of the company’s owners, Jana Kilmek and Jeffrey Frantz, was filed today in Orange County Circuit Court.
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Floridians who are considering listing their timeshare for sale or rent are encouraged to contact the Attorney General’s Office to inquire whether or not specific companies have complaints reported against them. Consumers can contact the Attorney General’s Citizen Services Division by calling the Attorney General’s fraud hotline at 1-866-9-NO-SCAM (1-866-966-7226) or by visiting the Attorney General’s website at http://www.myfloridalegal.com.

 

[michigan1]

RMI PG - aka Joe Strong

Joe Strong is not his real name. His name is Scott Wesley Dooley and his wife's name is Darla J Sloan.

 

[michigan1]

RMI Property Group, Inc.

Incorporated by Darla J Sloan, Scott Dooley, Rmi Property Group Inc. is located at 1023 SE Camelot Dr Grants Pass, OR 97526. Rmi Property Group Inc. was incorporated on Thursday, May 21, 2009 in the State of FL and is currently active. Scott Dooley represents Rmi Property Group Inc. as their registered agent. Their advertised address is a mail box at a UPS store.

 

[michigan1]

RMI Property Group, Inc. - SCAM

Do not do business with RMI Property Group, Inc. - they will contact you saying they have a buyer and trick you into signing an advertising contract. They will deny that they said they have a buyer. Their business is now listed in Wyoming. Their addresses are only mailboxes at UPS Store in Pflugerville, TX and Mail Boxes ETC in Grant Pass, OR. Contact BBB to help lower their score, but contact the AG office in your state and in Wyoming. Otherwise, file a civil law suit for fraud.

 

[michigan1]

Their listed address in Grant Pass, OR is a Mail Boxes ETC store in Grants Pass. Their Texas address is a UPS store too. Their business is registered in Wyoming via a company called United States Corporation Agents, Inc. but I think that address is a drop too. Contact you state AG and Wyoming AG.

 

[TannerBennett]

CEO of RMI Property Group

My name is Tanner Bennett my wife and I bought RMI Propety Group from Scott and Darla while they were going through a divorce. My wife and I have Mr Strong running the company so if there are some issues I should know about please send emails direct to me tannerbennett@rmipg.com. There are a few things I must make sure people understand. We are a web site for people who want to sell or rent there property via for sale by owner or rent by owner. Our contracts and web site explain this completely. My wife and I bought this company because it was stable and had a good standing. We have received 5 complaints from different state AG and we have responded to each of them and have provide our information and we have been cleared of any wrong doing. We do use mail drops because we are on the road travel to promote our clients properties. Just to give an example my wife and I have been on the road since June 13th 2010 and wont be returning until August 28th 2010. It is easier to have all of our mail forwarded to us on the road weekly to the Hotel or Resort we are staying in. When I bought the company I registered it in Wyoming.We have over 75,000 clients and I know we cant make everyone happy but we try. The only reason our BBB rating has dropped is because we have there link on our web site and I wont pay them to be a mamber. If I were a member I would be aloud to have a link on my site and I would have a rating of A+. My entire employee staff travels when we attend shows so to keep up[ with new customers and calls we take everything with us that why we use the mail drops. Please contact me directly if anybody needs help tannerbennett@rmipg.com. This includes Zoe Fallgren and Mr Storey.

 

[DeniseM]

Please - what can you possibly "take on the road." I only left your post because it's so self-incriminating.

Hint - use spell check...

 

[foreverloves]

My name is Tanner Bennett my wife and I bought RMI Propety Group from Scott and Darla while they were going through a divorce. My wife and I have Mr Strong running the company so if there are some issues I should know about please send emails direct to me tannerbennett@rmipg.com. There are a few things I must make sure people understand. We are a web site for people who want to sell or rent there property via for sale by owner or rent by owner. Our contracts and web site explain this completely. My wife and I bought this company because it was stable and had a good standing. We have received 5 complaints from different state AG and we have responded to each of them and have provide our information and we have been cleared of any wrong doing. We do use mail drops because we are on the road travel to promote our clients properties. Just to give an example my wife and I have been on the road since June 13th 2010 and wont be returning until August 28th 2010. It is easier to have all of our mail forwarded to us on the road weekly to the Hotel or Resort we are staying in. When I bought the company I registered it in Wyoming.We have over 75,000 clients and I know we cant make everyone happy but we try. The only reason our BBB rating has dropped is because we have there link on our web site and I wont pay them to be a mamber. If I were a member I would be aloud to have a link on my site and I would have a rating of A+. My entire employee staff travels when we attend shows so to keep up[ with new customers and calls we take everything with us that why we use the mail drops. Please contact me directly if anybody needs help tannerbennett@rmipg.com. This includes Zoe Fallgren and Mr Storey.

This post made my stressful day all the more enjoyable. What a crock of you-know-what! Even if this guy was legit, and we all know he isn't, I'd never want someone with poor grammar and typing ability to "sell my timeshare". I guess those 75,000 clients aren't interested in proper English or correct typing. Am I "aloud" to say that?? :hysterical:

The entire "employee staff" travels too. Travels. To sell timeshares.

Priceless.

I'd laugh even harder if it wasn't so sad.

 

[fallgrenz]

Denise,
I tried to email you but your address bounced back. Are you still around?

fallgrenz

 

[fallgrenz]

Mr. Bennett,
I sent you an email but you have not responded. I am willing to talk with you.
Thank you,
Z Fallgren

 

[fallgrenz]

How can we file small claims when we do not have a service address?

Z Fallgren

 

[DeniseM]

Denise,
I tried to email you but your address bounced back. Are you still around?

fallgrenz

Yes, I'm a moderator here on TUG. Feel free to post any questions/comments you may have in this thread.

 

[fallgrenz]

RMI

I just wanted to let y'all know that Mr. Tanner has sent us 4 prepaid $25 American Express cards and put us back into the Rewards program. Now weather our property is expose by RMI to generate a possible sell, at least we will retrieve some of our money back. I appreciate his professionalism in trying to show RMI is legit. The jury is still out on that because I have not been able to pull my "ad" up on their site. I did ask Mr. Tanner to please let me know where it is placed. Let you know when the verdict comes in.

Here is his data:
Tanner Bennett

[Contact info. deleted - advertising is not permitted on TUG. - DeniseM Moderator]

 

[karmalarma]

RMI Misleading

I also got the call that they had someone interested in buying my property. I have spent large amounts of $ trying to sell my timeshare and asked point blank if they are an advertising company that wants me to pay them to advertise my timeshare.

The sales rep assured me they were NOT an advertising company but actually had companies interested in purchasing my time share. I checked under the BBB to be sure they were a legit company and sure enough they are. However they mislead me to believe they actually had someone waiting to buy my timeshare.

When I told them I had NO disposable income to pay the past due maintanence fees and taxes the sales man again assured me their "buyer" would be willing to take that amount off of the sales price. The only amount they would need was $799 for the "title search" THis sounded legit to me since it is a deeded property and they would need to do such a thing. I borrowed money from as many people as I could and .... well RMI sent me the contract. There was the obvious BS. The $799 was for advertising fees NOT a title search. Now I was skeptical. I found this website...and sure enough others have been scammed by their lies.

I did not sign the contract and stopped payment on the check.

Glad I found this site. Or I would be out $799+ since some of the borrowed money I agreed to pay back with interest to the people I borrowed it from.

 

[karmalarma]

I want to file a complaint

Sedona Pines, that is exactly how they got me. They called me, solicited my timeshare, saying that they had a buyer that wanted my property for $39,000 and that all I needed to do was sign the contract and the deal would be closed. Of course it was all a lie. I filed a complaint with the BBB. The BBB sent me a reply from the company and I sent a reply to there reply. I also filed a complaint with the Las Vegas Attorney General's office, Dept of consumer affair. I would suggest that everybody file with both he BBB and Attorney General office. This is the company's web address:http://rmipg.com/
Anybody want my e-mail address or phone number so that I can share more specifics let me know. This scam has got to be stopped and if we all file complaints than I think we may have a chance to get our money back.

I got the same BS from them. See my post below entitled RMI misleading...pretty much along the same line as your experience. I would like to file a complaint..you said you can help with that.

Let me know your email and or phone.

thanks

 

[karmalarma]

RMIPG scam

You can file complaints with the BBB, and the Attorney General's office in your state and file lawsuits in small claims court. RMIPG is likely the biggest offender and they piggyback scamming by getting $$ up front to advertise your property (claiming they have a buyer) on their website. Then another company claims they have a buyer for your timeshare after seeing the ad on RMIPG website. They almost got my sister with the piggyback scheme, but she wised up immediately after supplying her credit card # and called the credit card company to stop payout immediately. This is huge and they must be stopped. Good Luck!
PS: take away your mom's phone privileges and/or her credit card information!

Sedona Pines: I too almost got scammed by RMIPG. I went so far as to close my bank account that they were going to take the cash out of. The salesrep insisted I was paying for the title search...when I got the contract it said advertisement fee...that is when I knew they really didnt have anyone to buy my timeshare and were just an advertising company like soooo many out there. They take your money and then you think you are going to sell it and wait for nothing to happen.

Timeshares themselves are a scam in my opinion. I have one that I got from my divorce. I don't use it, don't want it. There is no way to get rid of it. I have tried and tried. The company doesnt want it back...so I am stuck with it. I dont even care about making anything on it. I just want it gone. I would be happy to sell it for the amount I owe on taxes and fees.

 

[karmalarma]

any ideas what to do?

 

[TUGBrian]

any ideas what to do?

This thread may answer your question

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130790

 

[fallgrenz]

Rmipg Update

Mr. Tanner has really gained my trust. He reinstated us into their rewards program that we paid for earlier this year. We did received another $25 prepaid card this month.

Thank you Mr. Tanner

 

[cataarg]

Rmipg

Timeshare owners who have been scammed must file a complaint with the Attorney General and the Federal Trade Commission (ftc.gov), it's the only way to get these people closed down. Sometimes they actually are able to get some money back for people, but the only ones that get money back are the ones who filed complaints. The more complaints the better.
If you have used your credit card I would also file a dispute with the credit card company for deceptive practices and services not rendered.

People are so deparate to sell their Timeshares because they need the money or can't keep up the monthly fees, that they want to believe that these companies actually have a buyer. I know people that have been scammed 5 or more times.

I don't understand why the FTC or State Agencies have not made it illegal to advertise Timeshares without a Real Estate License. If I were advertising homes or rentals without a Real Estate License you can bet that NAR would be all over it. I guess because there is no market for Timeshares and nobody is making any money except the scammers nobody seems to care.

Good luck.

 

[TUGBrian]

its already illegal to take upfront fees to advertise timeshares in florida.

timeshares are real estate in all 50 states, and subject to those laws.

 

[gblume]

Just got a call from rmipg.com

They asked me if I wanted to sell and for how much. I said $5000. They called back and said they found a buyer for $10,000. They said they would call back when they can secure the 20% down payment. So I went online, did a search and found this post. The offer sounds too good to be true so I'll take the advice of this post and stay away. I have a Maui ocean front studio condo every other week floating time. What is the best way to sell a timeshare like this?

 

[LannyPC]

What is the best way to sell a timeshare like this?

Check out this sticky:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44