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(2007 thread) Shell Vacation Club (SVC) Points Knowledge thread

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Did anyone else get a brochure from shell this weekend? I got a 2013 amenities catalog showing point values for all the collections, lifestyles, and misc options.
 

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I need to update my current address. I've just been too lazy to send in my proof of residence.
 

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Did anyone else get a brochure from shell this weekend? I got a 2013 amenities catalog showing point values for all the collections, lifestyles, and misc options.

I did. There was an interesting segment about a hookup with Trading Places International, but not much else of value to me (I'm not into $400+ hotel rooms). Like a lot of the SVC mailers - lots of expensive hype, not much news.

----Zach
 

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It looks to me like lots of pages of stuff that we only get if we buy direct. Maybe it's a presales pitch.
 

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Finally Shell is calling themselves a Wyndham company



email from shell vacations said:
Shell Vacations Club


In September 2012, Shell Vacations Club was acquired by Wyndham Vacation Ownership (WVO), a member of Wyndham Worldwide - one of the world's largest hospitality companies spanning six continents. WVO was also named Fortune Magazine's No. 1 Most Admired Hospitality Company for 2012. More families have chosen to own with Wyndham Vacation Ownership than any other company in the world - and Shell Vacations is proud to be a part of that story. Shell Vacations and Wyndham Vacation Ownership share a passion for our owners and guests and are committed to providing the great vacation experiences you've come to expect year after year.

From time to time, we will reach out to you with exclusive information, news, updates and specials available to you as valued Shell Vacations Club owners.

Who is Wyndham Vacation Ownership (WVO)?

Wyndham Vacation Ownership is the world's largest developer and marketer of points-based vacation ownership products and is headquartered in Orlando, Florida.

What does this acquisition mean for SVC Owners?

Shell Vacations Club will remain Shell Vacations Club (SVC), even though it is now a subsidiary of Wyndham Vacation Ownership! You'll continue to enjoy the great benefits of SVC ownership, as well as new and exciting offers, as the brand continues to evolve as part of the Wyndham family. We remain fully committed to providing the same exceptional level of service at our resorts, call centers and corporate offices.

What about the connection with Interval International®?

Shell Vacations remains proudly affiliated with Interval International.
 

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Finally Shell is calling themselves a Wyndham company

I guess it remains to be seen whether that's the good news, bad news, or no difference. Haven't seen any of the first, hoping there's none of the second; would be quite happy with the third.
------------Zach
 

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When adding SVC points....

I'm thinking of adding some resale SVC points to our current total (all, unfortunately, developer-purchased). One objective would be to change use year dates. I feel like I'm currently paying the MF's for my points 9 months before I can use them.

Our current use year starts on Oct. 1st. Since MF's are due on Jan. 1 I'm hoping that purchasing new points could move the start date closer to the beginning of the year. I'm getting conflicting information (the SVC website vs. the SVC 'Contact Us' query) as to how a new points purchase would affect my use year. What's been the experience of the group? Thanks for any experience-based clarification you can provide.

Happy trails,
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moving anniversary date

Zach,
I don't know if there has been any change since Wyndham has taken over, but it used to be that you could move your dates, if you were able to contact the transfer dept before the transfer. Now I understand Wynham is handling the transfers and have no idea if they will be so kind... I just called the transfer dept this morning, here's the number: 800-251-8736, hit option 2, then option 3(you will notice it goes to Wyndham transfer dept) and apparently they handle the transfers now and said it can take 6-8 weeks to transfer once paperwork is received.
I'm thinking of adding some resale SVC points to our current total (all, unfortunately, developer-purchased). One objective would be to change use year dates. I feel like I'm currently paying the MF's for my points 9 months before I can use them.

Our current use year starts on Oct. 1st. Since MF's are due on Jan. 1 I'm hoping that purchasing new points could move the start date closer to the beginning of the year. I'm getting conflicting information (the SVC website vs. the SVC 'Contact Us' query) as to how a new points purchase would affect my use year. What's been the experience of the group? Thanks for any experience-based clarification you can provide.

Happy trails,
------------------Zach
 

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Ah....that's good to know; will check it out for future reference. Think I'll check with the SVC help desk also, and it seems like an outfit called CJ Timeshares does a lot of the SVC sales on eBay. Hopefully they might have an idea as well. Thanks for this information.
-------Zach
Zach,
I don't know if there has been any change since Wyndham has taken over, but it used to be that you could move your dates, if you were able to contact the transfer dept before the transfer. Now I understand Wynham is handling the transfers and have no idea if they will be so kind... I just called the transfer dept this morning, here's the number: 800-251-8736, hit option 2, then option 3(you will notice it goes to Wyndham transfer dept) and apparently they handle the transfers now and said it can take 6-8 weeks to transfer once paperwork is received.
 

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Well picker57, CJ used to do a lot of resales of Shell points, but their developer sources look to have dried up or switched over to selltimeshare.org, who really has the most activity it looks like now. Best of luck to you on your resale re-up. Shell has a good system for those who choose to master it and who have flexibility, but Wyndham and HGVC still own the blueprint for great points systems in my opinion. Just an aside comment that I added for no good reason.
 

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quoting Presley: Dash away deals...

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http://tugbbs.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1794389&postcount=5
You can use dash away deals in Shell as a resale owner. Just remember that there isn't much inventory on short notice like that in the popular areas.

Dash away deals are within 14 days of check in and not 30 days.

"DASH AWAY DEALS!

Shell Vacations Club and SVC Navigator Online members have the opportunity to plan last minute vacations with Dash Away Deals.

This program offers members Dash Away Points available to rent at a
40% discount off standard rental points.

Dash Away Points can be rented for stays at SVC and affiliated resorts
Dash Away Points can be rented within 14 days prior to arrival. The length of stay must be 6 nights or less.
Dash Away Deals cannot be combined with any other SVC Discounted Points offers.
Reservations can be made through Point & PlayTM or by contacting SVC Member Services at 877.SHELL.10"
Excellent info from Presley on Dash away deals
 

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This thread is very useful and it gets buried all the time. Is there anyway it could be made into a sticky? I know I have referred to it for information many times over the course of a couple years. I know it's from 2007, but it is still the best thread about the club.
 

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New Maintenance Fee statement - OUCH !

Oh Boy - Just received my SVC statement from Equiant in today's mail. It's up 6%, if my math is correct, making the cost for my 8300 points just over $.25 each. Seems pricey to me, as it used to figure out to about $.20-$.21 per point a few years ago. Has Wyndham had a hand in the price structure for SVC? Is it the Club Fee that's changed (we're in Hawaii Club)? Will definitely be making more of an effort to 'leverage' our points now, as the economics are no longer so attractive. $1100- $1200 for a reasonably nice unit week? I'd be interested to know whether this is comparable to other points systems. ALSO, if anyone has handy hints on the best way to leverage points, I'm all 'ears'. We've used deposits into SFX a fair bit; any others?

Best to all TUGgers in the new year.

-Zach Kaplan

 

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West Club increase:

Your Board of Directors has recently approved the 2016 budget with a cost per point of .2178, resulting in an average overall increase of 3.62% on an average points package of 5,023 points. There is also the $171 club fee.
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Our fees are up a lot--8.7%, if my math is correct. No cheaper price for the additional points over the small number of 1,350.
This is the wording from my maintenance fee newsletter, Pickers. I hope you let us know what club you own and what they determined for fees per point.
 

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We're in the Hawaii Club. The Club Fee listed is $171 - like yours evidently. The numbers on the back of the letter indicate a fee of $.23 per point for our range (actually they do drop off, having started at $.52 for 1-1250 points). That's about right before you add in the Club Fee. But ...bottom line...it's still up 6% over last year check - which included the Club Fee. I've no idea where that "3.89%" figure comes from. Also, I've no idea what the "Service Fee" is for, and for the ARDA/ROC contribution....fuhgeddaboudit. We'll try to use our points wisely, and, again, we're always looking for suggestions. For our Hawaii visits we've been fortunate in spending longer periods, and VRBO has come in very handy.

Cheers, -----Zach
 

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$1100- $1200 for a reasonably nice unit week? I'd be interested to know whether this is comparable to other points systems. ALSO, if anyone has handy hints on the best way to leverage points, I'm all 'ears'. We've used deposits into SFX a fair bit; any others?


It seems to me like they Wyndham wants to get rid of Shell and fold it into their Wyndham program. Maybe they are going to raise the MFs to the point where it will be cheaper to convert memberships to Wyndham in order to motivate people to do the "upgrade."

Do you trade in II? That's been my best experience with Shell points. If you can travel in less than 60 days, the amount of Shell points for exchanges goes way down. I'll be staying at Club Intrawest Palm Desert soon in a 2 bedroom for 3500 Shell points. I also have had several trades to Four Seasons and Marriott with Shell. Even with the high MFs for Shell, it is still cheaper to own Shell and trade into some of those properties in II. Of course, that only applies if those are resorts that you want to go to.
 

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Interesting thoughts and information; thanks. I dunno...for whatever reason my trust level with Wyndham is not great (blame my inner curmudgeon). I wonder if that's who determined the MF raises. At our last 'owner update' we were told that Wyndham was doing great things for SVC owners. This turned out to be pure B.S., but I'm sure that was our sales weasel's creation, no fault of Wyndham.

I confess I've not scoured the I.I. offerings and procedures much because we've liked the Shell properties OR we've used VRBO, SFX, etc. Will check it out. Securing a nice facility for 3500 points is sweet, even with the exchange fee. Thanks again.

--------------Zach
 

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New Maintenance Fee statement - OUCH !

Oh Boy - Just received my SVC statement from Equiant in today's mail. It's up 6%, if my math is correct, making the cost for my 8300 points just over $.25 each. Seems pricey to me, as it used to figure out to about $.20-$.21 per point a few years ago. Has Wyndham had a hand in the price structure for SVC? Is it the Club Fee that's changed (we're in Hawaii Club)? Will definitely be making more of an effort to 'leverage' our points now, as the economics are no longer so attractive. $1100- $1200 for a reasonably nice unit week? I'd be interested to know whether this is comparable to other points systems. ALSO, if anyone has handy hints on the best way to leverage points, I'm all 'ears'. We've used deposits into SFX a fair bit; any others?

Best to all TUGgers in the new year.

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Have you gone back and calculated how much your maintenance fees have gone up each year since SVC was acquired by Wyndham? The only Wyndham resort I have ever stayed at was Mauna Loa Village on the Big Island, which Wyndham shares with SVC. The Wyndham maintenance fees for that resort have always exceeded what the yearly cost of SVC points would be to stay at that resort and the Wyndham portion of the resort used to have a lower trading status than the SVC portion of the resort. I sold our SVC - Hawaii points membership (using TUG) when they were purchased by Wyndham, but now that my twins have graduated from college, am considering purchasing another membership. Below is the information furnished to me by SVC as to the current cost per point for SVC -- Hawaii. Concerned that for the points level I am considering (6,750 points) that the maintenance fees increased by over 7% between 2016 and 2017. However, if this information is correct, it would indicate that your maintenance fees were lower in 2017 than when you made this post. Can anyone verify for me that this information is correct.

2016 Maintenance Fees for HI

Maintenance Fees Rates for 2016

Point Range Rate
1‐1,250 0.5190
1,251‐1,400 0.4600
1,401‐1,750 0.3700
1,751‐1,925 0.3360
1,926‐2,300 0.3075
2,301‐2,550 0.2975
2,551‐2,775 0.2900
2,776‐3,200 0.2750
3,201‐3,600 0.2705
3,601‐4,125 0.2600
4,126‐4,825 0.2505
4,826‐5,425 0.2425
5,426‐6,650 0.2350
6,651‐8,775 0.2300
8,776‐9,875 0.2250
9,876‐14,275 0.2190
14,276‐20,250 0.2100
20,251‐33,400 0.2095
33,401+ 0.2040
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Maintenance Fees Rates for 2017

Point Range Rate
1-1400 0.4150
1401-2550 0.3160
2551-3600 0.2870
3601-4125 0.2750
4126-4825 0.2655
4826-5425 0.2570
5426-6575 0.2490
6576-8775 0.2467
8776-9875 0.2430
9876-14275 0.2365
14276-33400 0.2262
33401-500,000 0.2203
500,001+ 0.2244
 

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Have you gone back and calculated how much your maintenance fees have gone up each year since SVC was acquired by Wyndham? The only Wyndham resort I have ever stayed at was Mauna Loa Village on the Big Island, which Wyndham shares with SVC. The Wyndham maintenance fees for that resort have always exceeded what the yearly cost of SVC points would be to stay at that resort and the Wyndham portion of the resort used to have a lower trading status than the SVC portion of the resort. I sold our SVC - Hawaii points membership (using TUG) when they were purchased by Wyndham, but now that my twins have graduated from college, am considering purchasing another membership. Below is the information furnished to me by SVC as to the current cost per point for SVC -- Hawaii. Concerned that for the points level I am considering (6,750 points) that the maintenance fees increased by over 7% between 2016 and 2017. However, if this information is correct, it would indicate that your maintenance fees were lower in 2017 than when you made this post. Can anyone verify for me that this information is correct.

2016 Maintenance Fees for HI

Maintenance Fees Rates for 2016

Point Range Rate
1‐1,250 0.5190
1,251‐1,400 0.4600
1,401‐1,750 0.3700
1,751‐1,925 0.3360
1,926‐2,300 0.3075
2,301‐2,550 0.2975
2,551‐2,775 0.2900
2,776‐3,200 0.2750
3,201‐3,600 0.2705
3,601‐4,125 0.2600
4,126‐4,825 0.2505
4,826‐5,425 0.2425
5,426‐6,650 0.2350
6,651‐8,775 0.2300
8,776‐9,875 0.2250
9,876‐14,275 0.2190
14,276‐20,250 0.2100
20,251‐33,400 0.2095
33,401+ 0.2040
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Maintenance Fees Rates for 2017

Point Range Rate
1-1400 0.4150
1401-2550 0.3160
2551-3600 0.2870
3601-4125 0.2750
4126-4825 0.2655
4826-5425 0.2570
5426-6575 0.2490
6576-8775 0.2467
8776-9875 0.2430
9876-14275 0.2365
14276-33400 0.2262
33401-500,000 0.2203
500,001+ 0.2244


If my math is correct, this shows a 7.3% increase for our 8300 pt. bracket from 2016 to 2017. Pretty damn pricey, in my never-humble opinion.

ZK
 

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Mine went up a lot. We own 25,300 points, and two years ago, our cost was 0.169. Now we pay .2262.
 

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Wyndham always wants a bigger piece of the pie. Expect other fees to go up too. What we got for fee increases is a new dysfunctional piece of crap website that is much inferior to the old one.
 

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There was a 2018 thread about the West and Americana clubs being voted as combined. Looking at what would have Been considered an Americana account (Starr Pass) Prior to 2018. What has been the effect, if any, on MF old west v Americana vs “new” west and what has the implication been for reservations? I currently own 3500 Hawaii which I would give away after I get this new contract. We don’t use Hawaii, we go to Wisconsin every year and I want the longer home window From the “new“ west Group.
 

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There was a 2018 thread about the West and Americana clubs being voted as combined. Looking at what would have Been considered an Americana account (Starr Pass) Prior to 2018. What has been the effect, if any, on MF old west v Americana vs “new” west and what has the implication been for reservations? I currently own 3500 Hawaii which I would give away after I get this new contract. We don’t use Hawaii, we go to Wisconsin every year and I want the longer home window From the “new“ west Group.

Reservations for the CA resorts have been tighter since they merged the clubs, imo.
 

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Reservations for the CA resorts have been tighter since they merged the clubs, imo.
I was afraid of something like that happening
 

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Wyndham always wants a bigger piece of the pie. Expect other fees to go up too. What we got for fee increases is a new dysfunctional piece of crap website that is much inferior to the old one.
It was rolled out with members receiving another inferior update. It is a work in progress until the next new and improved website is rolled out.
 
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