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Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

I own only resale, so I am not the typical Wyndham owner, besides the fact that I am on TUG. But people have invested a lot of money in Wyndham. There may even be a subset that invested six figures. I don't think this is just a matter of "having to vacation differently". There's real economic costs associated with this. The TUG members are a different breed, but when I was at Skyline in August, boy were owners pissed. They spent a lot of money on the rug that was about to be pulled out from under them. And don't forget corporate sold them it all with promises of lifetime of access .

Yep, and I posted something similar in another thread. It's a huge bait and switch.

Lifetime access
Diverse locations
Pass it down generationally

Not "Bonnet Creek, and Tuscaloosa, AL"

You can laugh at me if you want, in hindsight, I can call myself pretty stupid for doing so, but i'm in probably 80 grand in retail purchases.

"Fool me once"
 
Some inventory somewhere in the system? That is the start of the death spiral unless they can find more buyers You assume that those who went to those closing resorts are owners there. Many are not and own elsewhere. They were happy with those resorts and were not interested in going to those desirable resorts. Now that is their only choice and will now be competing with others for those resorts.

More competition for rooms means more unhappy owners resulting in more owners walking away and if others are correct, driving up maintenance fees thus creating more unhappy owners.
The Prophet of Doom strikes again! Death spiral? Seriously?
 
I own only resale, so I am not the typical Wyndham owner, besides the fact that I am on TUG. But people have invested a lot of money in Wyndham. There may even be a subset that invested six figures. I don't think this is just a matter of "having to vacation differently". There's real economic costs associated with this. The TUG members are a different breed, but when I was at Skyline in August, boy were owners pissed. They spent a lot of money on the rug that was about to be pulled out from under them. And don't forget corporate sold them it all with promises of lifetime of access .
A few resorts are closing. There will still be 60-70 resorts available, a few in the same vicinities as those that are closing. So, the pissed owners can still have their points, if they so choose, and have plenty of locations to choose from by swapping to CWA. Or, they can give up their contracts and vacation some other way. It’s completely their choice.
 
A few resorts are closing. There will still be 60-70 resorts available, a few in the same vicinities as those that are closing. So, the pissed owners can still have their points, if they so choose, and have plenty of locations to choose from by swapping to CWA. Or, they can give up their contracts and vacation some other way. It’s completely their choice.
I think you're discounting (no pun attended) that some people spent $100k on vacationing on where and how they wanted to, until the rug was pulled out from under them, like I said. Heck @Floridaman76 said he's $80k in the hole with Wynhdam. It's more than just a matter of just being a little mad.

But I think we are going to go down an abstract rabbit hole of us taking opposing views, that I really don't want to get into .
 
For me, it's not about my Wyndham ownership. If Wyndham goes away, in away way shape or form, I can deal with it. It's the shenanigans going on. Looks like someone cooked up a Viking Ship type strategy to exit less desirable resorts (which we can rationalize (or not) ad nauseum the many reasons/possibilities for this. But interesting how Wyndham is shifting all the blame to the HOA's. How long will they be able to offload the responsibility for this to the HOAs (how many bankruptcy's will they get away with)?

The sky IS likely falling for many of these employees, as well as the surrounding communities. Will Jiminy Peak be able to withstand this? The surrounding community that Bentley Brook brought people to year round is concerned, the shops and businesses in the area. Those people are very concerned. I heard one local estimate that 30% of the business to Jiminy comes from Bentley Brook visitors. I can't validate, don't know how close to true that is - but I don't doubt it is going to be a significant impact. On top of that they shut down at peak season for the ski resort. Time will tell how all this plays out. The least of my concerns here is my Wyndham ownership. I'm sad a memorable family resort (really staple for us) is no longer available to us, but we'll move on. It will not include any good thoughts / impressions on Wyndham or how this was managed (using that term quite lightly).

And it's kind of a trigger now, hard to get excited when you see updates announced at your favorite resorts. Will always wonder now who's next.
 
But I think we are going to go down an abstract rabbit hole of us taking opposing views, that I really don't want to get into .
You know how to get out of that hole? Stop digging!
 
I think you're discounting (no pun attended) that some people spent $100k on vacationing on where and how they wanted to, until the rug was pulled out from under them, like I said. Heck @Floridaman76 said he's $80k in the hole with Wynhdam. It's more than just a matter of just being a little mad.

But I think we are going to go down an abstract rabbit hole of us taking opposing views, that I really don't want to get into .

At least it's paid off. I would be more livid if I still was paying them. At this point, it's sunk assets i'm going to make the most use of until I die and hopefully it's still around to give my kids. That was the whole premise of this, give a gift to my kids they can use with THEIR kids and grandkids (if it's around, and IF they want it).
 
For me, it's not about my Wyndham ownership. If Wyndham goes away, in away way shape or form, I can deal with it. It's the shenanigans going on. Looks like someone cooked up a Viking Ship type strategy to exit less desirable resorts (which we can rationalize (or not) ad nauseum the many reasons/possibilities for this. But interesting how Wyndham is shifting all the blame to the HOA's. How long will they be able to offload the responsibility for this to the HOAs (how many bankruptcy's will they get away with)?

The sky IS likely falling for many of these employees, as well as the surrounding communities. Will Jiminy Peak be able to withstand this? The surrounding community that Bentley Brook brought people to year round is concerned, the shops and businesses in the area. Those people are very concerned. I heard one local estimate that 30% of the business to Jiminy comes from Bentley Brook visitors. I can't validate, don't know how close to true that is - but I don't doubt it is going to be a significant impact. On top of that they shut down at peak season for the ski resort. Time will tell how all this plays out. The least of my concerns here is my Wyndham ownership. I'm sad a memorable family resort (really staple for us) is no longer available to us, but we'll move on. It will not include any good thoughts / impressions on Wyndham or how this was managed (using that term quite lightly).

And it's kind of a trigger now, hard to get excited when you see updates announced at your favorite resorts. Will always wonder now who's next.

See also: Shawnee Village and Fairfield Glade.

And yes, who's next... if this has told us ANYTHING, it's that you cannot trust Wyndham, ever again
 
The sky IS likely falling for many of these employees, as well as the surrounding communities. Will Jiminy Peak be able to withstand this? The surrounding community that Bentley Brook brought people to year round is concerned, the shops and businesses in the area. Those people are very concerned. I heard one local estimate that 30% of the business to Jiminy comes from Bentley Brook visitors. I can't validate, don't know how close to true that is - but I don't doubt it is going to be a significant impact. On top of that they shut down at peak season for the ski resort. Time will tell how all this plays out.

As a former skier I'm well aware that there are many more skiers on the weekend than weekdays. At the end of my skiing days, a friend and I would ski a two day ticket on Friday and Saturday at Killington in VT. There was a light crowd on Friday and early Saturday. With Jiminy losing those midweek skiers it could lead to it's closing. Brodie on the same road as Pittsfield and usually considered a better ski area is long gone.

Those of us in the northeast definitely have much few options for short getaways. It's likely that there will be more demand for Smuggs and the now fewer Newport resorts.
 
For me, it's not about my Wyndham ownership. If Wyndham goes away, in away way shape or form, I can deal with it. It's the shenanigans going on. Looks like someone cooked up a Viking Ship type strategy to exit less desirable resorts (which we can rationalize (or not) ad nauseum the many reasons/possibilities for this. But interesting how Wyndham is shifting all the blame to the HOA's. How long will they be able to offload the responsibility for this to the HOAs (how many bankruptcy's will they get away with)?

The sky IS likely falling for many of these employees, as well as the surrounding communities. Will Jiminy Peak be able to withstand this? The surrounding community that Bentley Brook brought people to year round is concerned, the shops and businesses in the area. Those people are very concerned. I heard one local estimate that 30% of the business to Jiminy comes from Bentley Brook visitors. I can't validate, don't know how close to true that is - but I don't doubt it is going to be a significant impact. On top of that they shut down at peak season for the ski resort. Time will tell how all this plays out. The least of my concerns here is my Wyndham ownership. I'm sad a memorable family resort (really staple for us) is no longer available to us, but we'll move on. It will not include any good thoughts / impressions on Wyndham or how this was managed (using that term quite lightly).

And it's kind of a trigger now, hard to get excited when you see updates announced at your favorite resorts. Will always wonder now who's next.
Back about 10 years ago when I was looking for a timeshare to buy to complement my DVC points, I was deciding between Wyndham and Bluegreen. We wanted the northeast locations that Wyndham had, Shawnee, Atlantic City, New York and Newport. While Bluegreen had Cape Cod, New York, Atlantic City and Hershey. We decided Wyndham was best for us, but if we were making the decision today, I may have made a different choice. It is not only those who own at Shawnee that are hurt by this action, but also people who purchased point as points to stay at Shawnee and Atlantic City. Am I upset and hurt? YES! Will we survive and still enjoy Wyndham? Yes but that doesn't change the fact that Wyndham is closing the 2 primary resorts that were the primary reason we chose Wyndham.
 
Back about 10 years ago when I was looking for a timeshare to buy to complement my DVC points, I was deciding between Wyndham and Bluegreen. We wanted the northeast locations that Wyndham had, Shawnee, Atlantic City, New York and Newport. While Bluegreen had Cape Cod, New York, Atlantic City and Hershey. We decided Wyndham was best for us, but if we were making the decision today, I may have made a different choice. It is not only those who own at Shawnee that are hurt by this action, but also people who purchased point as points to stay at Shawnee and Atlantic City. Am I upset and hurt? YES! Will we survive and still enjoy Wyndham? Yes but that doesn't change the fact that Wyndham is closing the 2 primary resorts that were the primary reason we chose Wyndham.

Well, Hilton bough BlueGreen a year or two ago and will likely be "rationalizing" it, similar as to what they have done to Diamond, which they also bought.
 
No they won't. Every point in every owner account has to be backed by some inventory somehwere in the system.
In theory, sure. But if people are being told that they won’t have the points taken out of their accounts until March, and can therefore use them for trips January-March, then it sure seems like Wyndham is letting people use phantom points to book trips. Your post assumes that Wyndham is accurate accounting for points this year. I have no such faith in them given what we’ve seen over the years.
 
i'm in probably 80 grand in retail purchases.
My MF was just over 15K annually. I spend about 8K - 12K in my travel with Plus Partners. (My travel agent is excited and showing me what they can do with that). So 25K a year since I've been with them. I am a drop in the bucket. I will not be missed or noticed. Why do I spend anymore with them is what I'm asking myself. Just saying this as a customer.
 
I did our online proxy vote today for our interval at Fairway Village since we can't attend on January 10th. At the end, after I printed my receipt for voting, it took me immediately to a Club Wyndham Access sales page.

Yeah, they're not the least bit concerned about coming off as a partial vote, are they?
 
Yeah, what part of constantly creating unhappy owners that creates new wave of unhappy owners do you not understand
I don't know that unhappy owners are creating more unhappy owners. I hear you say that but I hear you say a lot of stuff.
 
Yeah, they're not the least bit concerned about coming off as a partial vote, are they?
Not a bit. I'm sure that's why it took so long to schedule the vote: it took some time to make sure the fix was in.
 
While following advice read here (pages ago) I was grabbing screen shots of all my Wyndham related account numbers, statuses, etc and saw this previously overlooked box with new eyes. Our contract has been paid-in-full for more than 25 years! Should I be concerned about this rogue $10 charge?
Incidentally, my entire 2026 points package for Fairfield Glade is showing ready for exchange or deposit. Temptation...but no, not going to add to the confusion of the situation.
 

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I don't know that unhappy owners are creating more unhappy owners. I hear you say that but I hear you say a lot of stuff.
That's a good point. I myself am glad to be getting out of my timeshare, but most people on this board (and at the HOA meeting I went to) are very unhappy to be losing their week(s). That's not a sign of "unhappy owners." And truth be told, we'll miss our Shawnee weeks... but time is catching up with us, and those stairs to our unit are getting steeper and longer every year.
 
See also: Shawnee Village and Fairfield Glade.
Maybe in the immediate Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA area. This won't be the first resort drying up and closing in the Poconos, and there is plenty of traffic around East Stroudsburg that I think most businesses nearby will survive a slight loss. I predict that the shopping center across from the check-in and activities building on Buttermilk will most likely close up.

My wife says she still wants to visit the area at least once a year, we surely won't have the familiarity each year that we had before.
 
In theory, sure. But if people are being told that they won’t have the points taken out of their accounts until March, and can therefore use them for trips January-March, then it sure seems like Wyndham is letting people use phantom points to book trips. Your post assumes that Wyndham is accurate accounting for points this year. I have no such faith in them given what we’ve seen over the years.
That is for Shawnee, where the resort is not closing until march.
 
While following advice read here (pages ago) I was grabbing screen shots of all my Wyndham related account numbers, statuses, etc and saw this previously overlooked box with new eyes. Our contract has been paid-in-full for more than 25 years! Should I be concerned about this rogue $10 charge?
Ok, apparently this is for a "voluntary contribution" to ARDA-ROC (American Resort Development Association - Resort Owners' Coalition), not an actual payment to/for Wyndham. I guess that means it won't interfere with my soon-to-end ownership, right?
 
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