You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[Beefnot]

Self-Driving Mercedes S-Class is a Threat BMW Can’t Ignore - Autoblog https://share.google/teIaY5v5CobcvbkOR

"The Level 4 system by Nvidia can be tailored by automakers for their specific requirements. It makes use of the Nvidia Drive OS operating system, which uses nine radars, one lidar, 12 ultrasonics, and 14 high-definition cameras. It’s far more advanced than the camera-only system used for Tesla’s Full Self-Driving (Supervised) suite, which remains a Level 2 system."

 

[easyrider]

Self-Driving Mercedes S-Class is a Threat BMW Can’t Ignore - Autoblog https://share.google/teIaY5v5CobcvbkOR

"The Level 4 system by Nvidia can be tailored by automakers for their specific requirements. It makes use of the Nvidia Drive OS operating system, which uses nine radars, one lidar, 12 ultrasonics, and 14 high-definition cameras. It’s far more advanced than the camera-only system used for Tesla’s Full Self-Driving (Supervised) suite, which remains a Level 2 system."

For some reason I always thought Tesla was in the lead.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

For some reason I always thought Tesla was in the lead.

Bill

They are - go use the Mercedes system or the BMW system - which are L3 systems mind you - not L4 - and both are map dependent systems that only work with pre-mapped roads like Supercruise or BlueCruise. Don’t believe everything you read - go experience it firsthand in the real world - and then go find out how much cost that NVidia system currently adds to each vehicle with that huge suite of radar and LiDAR systems. It’s not scalable - which is why you only see it being used on $100k plus vehicles today.

That article is talking about the capabilities of a fully trained L4 system using NVidia’s hardware suite - which no one has implemented yet - and won’t be done any time soon. It’s very easy to write puff piece articles on what may happen - Tesla is the only system actually doing it today - bar none. It also requires a ton of real world data to train the system - and guess what neither BMW or Mercedes have?


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[easyrider]

Tesla is the only system actually doing it today

Do you think Tesla builds Level 4 and 5 ev's for regular use anytime soon ?

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

Do you think Tesla builds Level 4 and 5 ev's for regular use anytime soon ?

Bill

2026 - we will see robotaxi’s go completely driverless in Austin later this year. That FSD system is about six months ahead of the consumer system in use in all AI4 vehicles today - using the exact same FSD AI4 computer and cameras in all AI4 equipped Tesla vehicles that consumers are driving around in today. How many BMW and Mercedes have the Nvidia system today? None effectively. Talking about something and doing it are two very different things when it comes to self driving.


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[buzglyd]

2026 - we will see robotaxi’s go completely driverless in Austin later this year. That FSD system is about six months ahead of the consumer system in use in all AI4 vehicles today - using the exact same FSD AI4 computer and cameras in all AI4 equipped Tesla vehicles that consumers are driving around in today. How many BMW and Mercedes have the Nvidia system today? None effectively. Talking about something and doing it are two very different things when it comes to self driving.


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I’ll be in Austin end of March for MotoGP. I’ll look forward to hailing a driverless taxi.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I’ll be in Austin end of March for MotoGP. I’ll look forward to hailing a driverless taxi.

Robotaxi is driverless today in all of Austin. They just significantly increased the geofencing earlier this week - way beyond Waymo - including highways - which Waymo cannot do even today. The robotaxi’s have what are termed passenger monitors that are sitting in the passenger seats to monitor - safety first. These passenger monitors are set to be removed by end of year. Make sure to download the robotaxi app if you haven’t already.


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[emeryjre]

Jensen Huang is certainly a force in the world of technology
Any advantage you have mentioned about Tesla is known to Nvidia and Jensen
He and Elon have a long history of working together where AI is concerned
The fact that Jensen chose to go his own way in developing an Autonomous Driving System says something

NVIDIA Autonomous Vehicles Technology

AI vehicles are transforming mobility.

www.nvidia.com

 

[easyrider]

2026 - we will see robotaxi’s go completely driverless in Austin later this year. That FSD system is about six months ahead of the consumer system in use in all AI4 vehicles today - using the exact same FSD AI4 computer and cameras in all AI4 equipped Tesla vehicles that consumers are driving around in today. How many BMW and Mercedes have the Nvidia system today? None effectively. Talking about something and doing it are two very different things when it comes to self driving.


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I read that Tesla isn't scraping the steering wheel, pedals and mirrors in any of their consumer vehicles yet. Supposedly, a Cybercab without instruments might show up in 2026 but don't hold your breath.

Bill

 

[WaikikiFirst]

How many BMW and Mercedes have the Nvidia system today? None effectively. Talking about something and doing it are two very different things when it comes to self driving.

Amen. People love to pick PR fights with Musk, while Musk is busy just getting BLEEP done.
Talking about something and doing it are two very different things when it comes to most things in PR and pretty much everything on the www. Just go over to the stock mkt threads here.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

Tesla isn't scraping the steering wheel, pedals and mirrors in any of their consumer vehicles yet.

A) CONSUMERS don't en masse buy into radical changes
B) If Tesla did scrap those, how much $ would they save and what would be the backup plan for moving the damn car if the FSD electronics went kaput? Real question.
A PR nightmare to have a FSD Tesla basically bricked and causing a traffic jam

 

[WaikikiFirst]

Do you think Tesla builds Level 4 and 5 ev's for regular use anytime soon ?

You should put a BIG gap between your discussion of Level 5 and everything else. I think the 1st time I read the specs of Levels 1 - 5 was maybe 6 or more yrs ago. Reading Level 5 made my engineering background instantly remember one of my fav cartoons ... maybe my all-time fav cartoon. I suppose they will get there, but it is a completely different task.

 

[easyrider]

A) CONSUMERS don't en masse buy into radical changes
B) If Tesla did scrap those, how much $ would they save and what would be the backup plan for moving the damn car if the FSD electronics went kaput? Real question.
A PR nightmare to have a FSD Tesla basically bricked and causing a traffic jam

The pictures of the Cybercab show no steering wheel, pedals and mirrors . It's fully autonomous. I also read that the Cybercab with added steering wheel , pedals and mirrors might be the new Tesla Model 2. Since price is a huge decider with consumers, a less expensive, like $25,000 all in, would give Tesla an edge regarding sales. Especially in areas where gas prices are high.

Bill

https://www.roadandtrack.com/photos/g62573667/tesla-robotaxi-cybercab-reveal-full-gallery/