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[CO skier]

Re-written to avoid offending sensitive ears.

It was not a reference to a post by you, by maybe this is just another example of the "it's all about me" perspectives.

And, c'mon, post #19 is nothing but an "it's all about me" kind of post.

 

[Rolltydr]

You're missing the point of Cindy's three statements. She was trying to show how the passive voice makes the subject of a sentence the receiver of an action instead of performing the action.

That happens with kneejerk reactions.

I’m sure that was her full intent and she doesn’t really believe any of those statements.

 

[Rolltydr]

Since it’s now many years down the road following the great mega-renter purge, I certainly can’t call your and Cindy’s reactions kneejerk.

 

[chapjim]

It was not a reference to a post by you, by maybe this is just another example of the "it's all about me" perspectives.

And, c'mon, post #19 is nothing but an "it's all about me" kind of post.

Pure coincidence that the numbers in your post (# of sentences and # of first person singular uses) matched my post.

Post #19 wasn't written by me.

 

[Floridaman76]

I’m sure that was her full intent and she doesn’t really believe any of those statements.

There sure does seem to be a whole lot of revisionist history going on here to try to craft a specific (false, mind you) narrative. Fascinating stuff.

It's like the current political situation in the US. If you say something that is blatantly false enough times, repeatedly, some people start to believe it.

Mandela effect

 

[Pennytx]

I love to read this site
It truly helps me enjoy my retirement
I didn’t get involved in timeshares until very recently … so I don’t know the history
But one thing I do know at 60 is “find your joy”
Please don’t ruin this for the rest of us over old news. People made $, people lost $, that’s life… move on… please try to be happy.
Also… be gentleman, and ladies, insults are piety not pretty … my two cents

 

[chapjim]

Since it’s now many years down the road following the great mega-renter purge, I certainly can’t call your and Cindy’s reactions kneejerk.

It wasn't hers or mine. It was @CO skier's (and to a lesser extent, yours).

 

[Rolltydr]

It wasn't hers or mine. It was @CO skier's (and to a lesser extent, yours).

But, I was referring, specifically, to your reactions to the great purge. It’s been years and you guys are still posting the same stuff you were posting in your knee jerk reactions back then. Like the nice lady said, let’s move on.

 

[paxsarah]

But, I was referring, specifically, to your reactions to the great purge. It’s been years and you guys are still posting the same stuff you were posting in your knee jerk reactions back then. Like the nice lady said, let’s move on.

As someone who has no dog in this fight, I could say the same thing about the anti-megarenter vitriol. I’ve never felt the need to put any (now former) megarenters on ignore, but I can’t say the same for the anti-renting screeds.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Truth be told, Wyndham eliminated mega renters and the cheap rentals but it was not to help create availablity for owners booking personal vactions. Wyndham eliminated competition to help Extra Holidays.

Boiling things down to binary outcomes is what our reptilian brain does by default (fight or flight), however our frontal lobe can and should overcome this tendency when performing critical thinking. The reality is that the truth is almost always somewhere in the middle, rarely is it what our reptilian brain tells us it is, no matter how certain we are of this in our own minds. Put another way, our reptilian brain gives us the "kneejerk responses" that tend to be binary in nature. The truth in this case is likely both/and, not either/or. Both things are true, Wyndham rents more, but not as much as the combination of Wyndham and all avid renters, and owners see more availability.

 

[HitchHiker71]

That’s going to be me in 10 years. Hopefully.

Same here - that's the goal at least. We have just over 1.4mm points today, roughly half of which is resale. Perhaps we'll acquire more once we get closer to retirement if we want to travel a good bit here in the US at that time and we need a higher discount level to make it work. We shall see what the future brings us in about 10 years' time.

 

[bnoble]

I’ve never felt the need to put any (now former) megarenters on ignore, but I can’t say the same for the anti-renting screeds.

Odd. That's been my experience as well, and my ignore list grew by one today.

 

[gottashiner]

... not what the Wyndham timeshare salesmen say...!

And if we’re not allowed to have other people use our timeshare, why the heck do I have so many guest reservations that I can use?

 

[rickandcindy23]

There were never policies in place. There were loopholes exploited by both Wyndham sales people and owners such as yourself. Wyndham took action against the owners. So far, as best we can tell, they haven’t taken action against any sales people.


Wyndham, the writer of the rules for Wyndham resorts, shut down-mega renters accounts because they were breaking Wyndham’s rules.

Wyndham revoked privileges because mega-renters were abusing said privileges.

That's odd that you are talking to me. These are passive-voice examples.

I am not a victim and don't pretend to be. Others were definitely treated better than we were.

 

[rickandcindy23]

You're missing the point of Cindy's three statements. She was trying to show how the passive voice makes the subject of a sentence the receiver of an action instead of performing the action.

That happens with kneejerk reactions.

Absolutely.

 

[rickandcindy23]

And if we’re not allowed to have other people use our timeshare, why the heck do I have so many guest reservations that I can use?

But you can have guests stay in units at the same time you are there. If you wanted a group get together in Branson, you could book a bunch of units and add guest names and enjoy the shows and the time together. We are doing a reunion in Branson of my mom's side of the family, and there are a lot of us. My aunt and my cousins also own Wyndham, so we are going to book a bunch of rooms. It will be at least 15 units. Some of my cousins have five kids. I can finally use some of those 30 guest certificates.

 

[HitchHiker71]

But you can have guests stay in units at the same time you are there. If you wanted a group get together in Branson, you could book a bunch of units and add guest names and enjoy the shows and the time together. We are doing a reunion in Branson of my mom's side of the family, and there are a lot of us. My aunt and my cousins also own Wyndham, so we are going to book a bunch of rooms. It will be at least 15 units. Some of my cousins have five kids. I can finally use some of those 30 guest certificates.

Curious, for something that large, how far do you book out? Are you doing it right at ten months? Do you book further out and then make the best effort to replace those bookings right at the 60 day marker within the discount window? I've never done anything that complex before so I'm curious as to the approach more than anything, and I know you have a lot of experience doing things like this so it would be helpful for others here if you are willing to share your best practices.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I love to read this site
It truly helps me enjoy my retirement
I didn’t get involved in timeshares until very recently … so I don’t know the history
But one thing I do know at 60 is “find your joy”
Please don’t ruin this for the rest of us over old news. People made $, people lost $, that’s life… move on… please try to be happy.
Also… be gentleman, and ladies, insults are piety not pretty … my two cents

I agree.

There are only a few people who are bitter about the past. It's now way in the past. Five years in the past. I am over the vitriol by the same people. They need to find some new people to bully.

We gave away millions of Wyndham points, right here on TUG. I am glad to pay the closing and transfer fees and give them current year's usage, which we paid for all year long before the transfer happened., when Wyndham doesn't steal the points, which they absolutely have STOLEN points from our account, and then they tell the new owner that I used the points. I take a picture (screenshot) of my account and where the points came out and send it to the new owner, and they have to call.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Curious, for something that large, how far do you book out? Are you doing it right at ten months? Do you book further out and then make the best effort to replace those bookings right at the 60 day marker within the discount window? I've never done anything that complex before so I'm curious as to the approach more than anything, and I know you have a lot of experience doing things like this so it would be helpful for others here if you are willing to share your best practices.

My cousins and my aunt do not have VIP. I don't really need to have VIP. I book far ahead and don't worry about discounts. I am unable to use all of the points we have as it is.

Example, I booked a 4 bedroom presidential Bonnet Creek for January, 2 weeks, and that burned a lot of points. I am not going to watch for anything within 60 days. No need. $7 per 1,000 X 385 isn't a lot of money for 7 of us to stay in that unit. We really enjoy waking up to two 3-year-olds (they will be four by then) staring at us when we are waking up. Yes, this happened in January. Such joy!

Branson Meadows kind of sucks, compared to Marriott's Willow Ridge, but I want to be near family, and the two resorts are far apart, so I will bite the bullet and stay at Meadows.

 

[Floridaman76]

Curious, for something that large, how far do you book out? Are you doing it right at ten months? Do you book further out and then make the best effort to replace those bookings right at the 60 day marker within the discount window? I've never done anything that complex before so I'm curious as to the approach more than anything, and I know you have a lot of experience doing things like this so it would be helpful for others here if you are willing to share your best practices.

Just like most places, it entirely depends on the seasonality of the resort. For instance last December I needed to stay in Branson for 5 days in mid December. Not being super familiar with demand there, I booked months out. I rebooked the stay at the 60 day mark to get my VIP discouont, then rebooked again at my upgrade Window and was able to upgrade from a 1BR Suite to 3BR Deluxe at Meadows. Then Wyndham had that 50% off sale and I was able to rebook again and upgrade again from a 1BR to 3BR with the bigger discount.

You of course couldn't do that in the middle of summer, but you can in off season. The longer i'm an owner, the more in tune with seasonality and demand I am, so sometimes I don't even bother booking in advance because I know I will have availability at my discount or upgrade window.

And i'm sure it's harder to probably downright impossible to get the 4BR units at Bonnet Creek for a week inside the discount or upgrade window.

Branson and Myrtle Beach in December and January are two such places. Smokey Mountains in November through March, Williamsburg December through February, the Coloroado Resorts in late October and November, etc

Some resorts are just complete crap shoots. I'm always looking at Ocean Wall in Daytona because inventory comes and goes all the time and if I can upgrade into a 2BR non-Deluxe lockoff or a 3BR Deluxe inside my upgrade window on a weekend me and my wife are free, I will do it. Especially the 3BR units are nice and large and have great views and nice for entertaining friends at the beach, in any season and it's relatively close to me (2 hours).

 

[jp10558]

I'd say the bigger question for someone like me is - let's say you've got the points to book multiple units - how does that work? Do you just go through the booking 2x or 3x or however many units you want and have points for? I suppose as long as you've got a little slack in the seasonality that's probably fine. I know with RCI I once chatted to get 2 extra vacations units the same week. I don't recall if I had to pay for a GC because I was checking in for both of them as I was there with everyone. I read somewhere some resorts require GC even if you're there to check into both.

I am pretty amazed at people getting over 2 units at the same time though, seems like it could be risky if you can't get the number you want. Of course, for straight Wyndham I don't have enough points for that sort of thing really.

 

[Floridaman76]

I'd say the bigger question for someone like me is - let's say you've got the points to book multiple units - how does that work? Do you just go through the booking 2x or 3x or however many units you want and have points for? I suppose as long as you've got a little slack in the seasonality that's probably fine. I know with RCI I once chatted to get 2 extra vacations units the same week. I don't recall if I had to pay for a GC because I was checking in for both of them as I was there with everyone. I read somewhere some resorts require GC even if you're there to check into both.

I am pretty amazed at people getting over 2 units at the same time though, seems like it could be risky if you can't get the number you want. Of course, for straight Wyndham I don't have enough points for that sort of thing really.

I have sometimes if I have points booked 2 units, the size I want, and the smaller unit to see if it upgrades. And cancel whichever one I don't end up needing. This is not super successful since they seemingly messed with the upgrade process a few years ago, but it still does happen. My July 4 week unit got upgraded unexpectedly the other day, had to be because someone cancelled and I got their unit.

 

[Sandy VDH]

I was having a discussion about Hilton's position on renting and on Wyndham's. It got me to thinking.

With Hilton you can rent your home week. Essentially rent what you own, but not a points reservation. Ok, easy enough distinction.

How does Wyndham view that? Say for instance you own at Bonnet Creek, which was only ever sold as UDI points and NO underlying week. Wyndham has always viewed it that any points reservation rental is a no no. I guess CWA now, also pure points, would also be the same thing. Fixed weeks converted to points, well then you can rent your fixed week only. But since it is what you own, can't you do what you want with it? Just curious, has anyone else considered this?

 

[paxsarah]

I was having a discussion about Hilton's position on renting and on Wyndham's. It got me to thinking.

With Hilton you can rent your home week. Essentially rent what you own, but not a points reservation. Ok, easy enough distinction.

How does Wyndham view that? Say for instance you own at Bonnet Creek, which was only ever sold as UDI points and NO underlying week. Wyndham has always viewed it that any points reservation rental is a no no. I guess CWA now, also pure points, would also be the same thing. Fixed weeks converted to points, well then you can rent your fixed week only. But since it is what you own, can't you do what you want with it? Just curious, has anyone else considered this?

If I had to guess, fixed week converted to points, since you have to use the points interface to book your fixed week, probably subject to the same rental rules as a points owner. I'm sure Wyndham would be glad to remove that contract from the points program and let the owner directly rent their fixed week as much as they want.

 

[bnoble]

How does Wyndham view that?

My impression is that what Hilton allows has nothing to do with what Wyndham thinks or allows. In short, I agree with @paxsarah. You can rent, you cannot rent commercially, and Wyndham gets to have first say about which is which. You took on these (and other) Club restrictions when you bought the UDI, and there is no underlying week to rent.