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LIST OF LIES!!!

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Stay tuned, I will be coming here to post the lies made about our ownership by salespeople.
Most of them are such nonsense it is amazing anyone believes them, but they do and they buy and they get ripped off over and over again.
 
LegacyOwner said:
Stay tuned, I will be coming here to post the lies made about our ownership by salespeople.
Most of them are such nonsense it is amazing anyone believes them, but they do and they buy and they get ripped off over and over again.
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I’m assuming this means you didn’t purchase, but just in case you did, you might still have time to rescind if you were just at a presentation and purchased.
 
No, I'm not talking about one meeting. I'm will be talking about a laundry list of stories told to owners.
I've heard them from the horses mouth and I will be sharing them over the course of the holiday season as my Christmas gift to you!
 
List of Lies (LOL), I like it!

Number them and we can just refer to L1, L2, etc in future discussions or create a standardized lie report for TS sales presentations.
 
#1 and the most damaging lie
RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL
PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT
PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
WE WILL BUY BACK YOUR OWNERSHIP WHEN YOU ARE DONE IN 5-10 YEARS FOR WHAT YOU PAID OR MORE
This is the most desired benefit for the large or PR owner. What I find most remarkable is that many owners believe it.
There is no ownership you can have with Wyndham that makes that happen. No PR, no deed.
They will NEVER buy back your ownership outside of Pathway EVER
 
#2 LOL
POINTS ARE NOT FRACTIONAL OWNERSHIP
POINTS ARE POINTS
THEY HAVE ZERO VALUE PAST THEIR USE
SOME HAVE DIFFERENT PRIORITY AND COST but
NOBODY WANTS TO BUY YOUR WYNDHAM POINTS WHEN YOU ARE DONE
 
#3 LOL
OFFSETTING OF FEES (RENTAL) BARELY EXIST YET IT IS INCLUDED IN EVERY SALES PITCH
NOBODY WILL HELP YOU UNLESS THEY CHARGE YOU BIG MONEY
WYNDHAM WILL NEVER AUTO CREDIT YOUR ACCOUNT FROM LEFTOVER POINTS
EXTRA HOLIDAYS IS A RIP OFF
BUYING POINTS NEVER MAKES FEES GO AWAY NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS
 
I have done probably 6 updates over the last 2 years, including one in September and one in October. It's been several years since any of the sales weasels have tried to use the "renting points to offset maintenance fees" line. They used to hit that one hard, but I have seen them seriously back off of that since they have made changes to eliminate "non-Extra Vacations" renting.

They have pivoted to the even more ridiculous "buy more points so you can convert them to pay maintenance fees" lie. I love to throw that one right back in their face because the math does not work.

Thank you for your time, I will take my $150 AMEX card and leave now, if I need more points, I know where to buy them (on ebay)
 
What's the point? Since most salespersons only care about their commissions, they have a tendency of exaggerating the benefits of timeshare ownership or club membership. Regardless of what the sales reps tell you, every buyer must do their homework and post-sale investigation within the statutory rescission period. No questions asked cancellation is a fairly straightforward process. The rescission period can be anywhere from 3 - 10 calendar days. Therefore, all buyers are encouraged to review the documents and the program within this timeframe to take advantage of the cooling-off period. Timeshare ownership is a huge financial commitment that may not be suitable for everyone especially folks who are struggling financially.
 
TimeshareGuru said:
What's the point? Since most salespersons only care about their commissions, they have a tendency of exaggerating the benefits of timeshare ownership or club membership. Regardless of what the sales reps tell you, every buyer must do their homework and post-sale investigation within the statutory rescission period. No questions asked cancellation is a fairly straightforward process. The rescission period can be anywhere from 3 - 10 calendar days. Therefore, all buyers are encouraged to review the documents and the program within this timeframe to take advantage of the cooling-off period. Timeshare ownership is a huge financial commitment that may not be suitable for everyone especially folks who are struggling financially.
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There's a difference in exaggerating and outright lies. There's a reason these companies get hit with class action law suites and I would wager at least partially responsible for consumer protection laws.

I had a sales person 2 years ago try to tell me I could get a mortgage to pay off the loan they were going to give me. Of course I knew better but how many people who didn't have family that had timeshares or were veterans of the buying process would know that.
 
#4 LOL
YOUR MAINTENANCE FEES WILL EXPLODE WITH CWA
THE INFLATION RATE FOR FEES IS 20% A YEAR
YOU AND YOUR KIDS WILL BE STUCK WITH SOME CRAZY INFLATED NUMBER IN 10-20 YEARS.
DEEDS GO UP A TINY BIT SO YOU MUST TRADE AND THE COST IS $50k OR MORE
They all go up
 
About a year ago I remember one sales person told me that if I bought 84,000 developer points from her that day, it would convert all my currently owned resale points to developer so they would qualify for VIP status. I didn't believe it for a second, so I never even thought about it again, but since we're talking Wyndham lies in this thread, could anyone confirm that it is in fact another lie?
 
kaljor said:
About a year ago I remember one sales person told me that if I bought 84,000 developer points from her that day, it would convert all my currently owned resale points to developer so they would qualify for VIP status. I didn't believe it for a second, so I never even thought about it again, but since we're talking Wyndham lies in this thread, could anyone confirm that it is in fact another lie?
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Sounds like a lie to me unless you got that specifically in writing, and even then…
 
kaljor said:
About a year ago I remember one sales person told me that if I bought 84,000 developer points from her that day, it would convert all my currently owned resale points to developer so they would qualify for VIP status. I didn't believe it for a second, so I never even thought about it again, but since we're talking Wyndham lies in this thread, could anyone confirm that it is in fact another lie?
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Yeah that sure smells like a less then full truth.........unless like Fido said you got it in writing. They kinda get sketchy when you ask for stuff in writing.

I will say that the initial sales person we had our first meeting with didnt lie to us thast we can tell. She even showed us how the point worked, helped us calculate how many we needed based on our vacation style, and generally told us the truth. Now the fellow after her, lets call him the closer, yeah he was completely full of it. And every update weve had and cold sales call weve had since was full of BS too. But at least we know that now so IF we decide to go to one its no biggie.
 
#5 (?) I will personally help you use your points most efficiently (or words to that effect).
 
I'm pretty sure every presentation to help you use your ownership contains numerous and blatant lies. From my personal experience their numbers will never save you a penny. It's hard to comprehend so many fall prey to the promises made verbally, but never put in writing on the purchase agreement. If you own Select the full court press is on to push CWA ownership for better availability and as a way to lower maintenance fees. Or if you own CWA they will spew the same half truths and lies to sell CWS. 🙄
 
A couple more to add to the list:
  • Priority owner/account (concierge lie)
  • We're not a sales center we're an owner education center
  • You need to attend an update to convert your account over to T&L system
  • A new T&L website is coming soon you need to attend an update to enroll into this new system (there are variants of this same thing surrounding T&L)
  • Did you know Wyndham owns T&L now? Attend an update to learn about how you can access more vacations using T&L systems
  • Own CWA? You need to get out of CWA and into CWS. Own CWS? You need to get out of CWS and convert to CWA. Own both? You should only own one or the other as you don't get priority to either system.
  • Booking priority - this is an oft used ploy to attempt to convince the owner that their points don't have "priority" and that you're not seeing all available inventory as a result. While this is true in certain situations - like seeing PR or MVC inventory - the sales agents attempt to apply this concept much more broadly to apply to all types of ownerships. Another related oft used ploy is that you don't own enough points to see all inventory - you need more points. All kinds of variants surround booking priority - the vast majority of which are simply untrue.
  • Blue thread - you need to attend an update to get Blue Thread.
  • I'll add more as I think of them...
 
HitchHiker71 said:
Booking priority - this is an oft used ploy to attempt to convince the owner that their points don't have "priority" and that you're not seeing all available inventory as a result. While this is true in certain situations - like seeing PR or MVC inventory - the sales agents attempt to apply this concept much more broadly to apply to all types of ownerships. Another related oft used ploy is that you don't own enough points to see all inventory - you need more points. All kinds of variants surround booking priority - the vast majority of which are simply untrue.
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One variant is that CWA vs. Select has an impact on what you can see or book inside 10 months, not just in ARP. Some people really strongly believe this. And that in this scenario, Select seems to apply to all Select properties, not just their home resort.
 
LOL #5
YOU MUST BUY TO GET INTO T&L. YOURE POINTS WON'T WORK IN THE NEW SYSTEM.
There is no "new system". Travel & Leisure is just the new name of the company. That is all.
YOU MUST BUY TO GET VACASA.
No you do not.
 
paxsarah said:
One variant is that CWA vs. Select has an impact on what you can see or book inside 10 months, not just in ARP. Some people really strongly believe this. And that in this scenario, Select seems to apply to all Select properties, not just their home resort.
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Agreed - yet despite those beliefs - we have run actual inventory comparison tests every so often using different ownership types - and we all see the same thing within the SRP unless we include PR/MVC owners - which sometimes see a bit more than a normal CWA/CWS owner - though even in those cases - more than 50% of the time - we still see the exact same thing.
 
kaljor said:
About a year ago I remember one sales person told me that if I bought 84,000 developer points from her that day, it would convert all my currently owned resale points to developer so they would qualify for VIP status. I didn't believe it for a second, so I never even thought about it again, but since we're talking Wyndham lies in this thread, could anyone confirm that it is in fact another lie?
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Just so you know. This was a thing that they did do, and still do at certain resorts. When Wyndham got a new resort or came along side an existing resort that may have been private before, and they wanted inventory, if you had a deed at that resort already (regardless of how you got that deed) they would let you bring it into CW as if you bought it direct and they would bring all those points in as VIP. That was a very real thing... and still is in those unique scenerious.
 
mgaiser said:
Just so you know. This was a thing that they did do, and still do at certain resorts. When Wyndham got a new resort or came along side an existing resort that may have been private before, and they wanted inventory, if you had a deed at that resort already (regardless of how you got that deed) they would let you bring it into CW as if you bought it direct and they would bring all those points in as VIP. That was a very real thing... and still is in those unique scenerious.
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:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

Do you have recent, personal experiences to report about resale conversion(s)?

Maybe we need a "List of Lies on TUG".

There are personal experiences from 4 years ago that contradict. I doubt the situation has improved.

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I'm at Mountain Vista in Branson for few days this week on my way out to Steamboat and yesterday was a washout, so I agreed to an update ($125 Amex + 30k WR points). Very quick and easy, our update ended up being us BS'ing with this guy for 30 minutes, he gave us a couple pointers about fun stuff to do in the area and actually pointed out that one of our resale contracts had Travel-Up, so he said technically we are entitled to it, even though we don't have access. So I am going to call owner care about that when we get back.

We are travelling with guests and they did one too, and weren't so lucky, apparently the one they got was pretty rude and it was over 2 hours long.

Also, the internet has been out at Mountain Vista and possibly Meadows too, for 2 straight days, which is kind of a drag, as my wife is trying to connect up to work occasionally
 
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