Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge I-695 GONE

[pedro47]

Except for the fact that zero ships can navigate into or out of the actual port of Baltimore - which is upriver of where the failed bridge is now blocking all waters with hazardous materials from the failed bridge collapse. It has nothing to do with the trucks - it has to do with the shipping lanes being blocked. Same goes for all cruise ships - which also dock upriver.

Key Bridge collapse has impact on Port of Baltimore, cruises

The collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge into the Patapsco River overnight has an impact on the Port of Baltimore.

www.wbaltv.com

Excerpt from that article: "The Maryland Port Administration announced on Tuesday the suspension of vessel traffic into and out of the Port of Baltimore until further notice. The port is not shut down and it's still processing trucks inside of the terminals."

Hopefully they can somehow clear collapsed bridge materials from the channel sooner rather than later - to at least re-establish the shipping lane ingress and egress from the port of Baltimore.

All cruise ships and cargo ships shipping lanes from the Port of Baltimore must be cancel correct.

The Governor of Maryland is reporting there are still 6 missing pot filling highway workers missing after the collapse of the bridge. Sad.

 

[pedro47]

It may take anywhere between 8 to 10 years to rebuild this bridge according to some highway and bridge engineers with VDOT.

 

[davidvel]

Video

Yep, that is the one I was referring to. Thanks for link.

 

[TolmiePeak]

It may take anywhere between 8 to 10 years to rebuild this bridge according to some highway and bridge engineers with VDOT.

They will have it reopened in a couple of years.

 

[TUGBrian]

"REPORT: There were no vehicles traveling on the Francis Scott Key Bridge when it fell into the ocean thanks to heroic police officers who jumped into action.

It has now been confirmed that the only people on the bridge when it collapsed was a pothole repair crew.

A total of eight workers were reportedly on a meal break when the cargo ship crashed into the bridge. The eight workers plunged off the 185-foot bridge into the frigid water.

Two of the eight workers were rescued, one who was hospitalized and one who refused treatment. "He brushed his clothes off and wanted to see his family. He was shaken up a little bit but nothing major.

I guess the good lord was on his side," a first responder said. The six other workers are presumed dead."

not sure if accurate, but a miracle if so!

 

[Cornell]

https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/dali-ship-fuel-baltimore-bridge-collapse-6c6a0c76?st=mtbuqt2crvsteju&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[MULTIZ321]

Baltimore Bridge Collapse Survivor Described Watching Ship Get Closer, Says Maryland Gov.

Baltimore Bridge Collapse Survivor Described Watching Ship Get Closer, Says Maryland Gov.

A survivor of the Baltimore bridge collapse described watching the cargo ship get closer to the Key Bridge, Maryland Gov. Wes Moore said in a CNN interview before officials called off the search for more survivors Tuesday evening.

people.com

Richard

 

[pedro47]

They will have it reopened in a couple of years.

Did you look at the bridge damage?

It is going to take six months or more to remove all the steel bridge structure; not including the bidding process and all the new government engineering planning and drawing.

Remember this a major bridge construction project over water and not not land.

This is a major bridge project. IMHO

 

[Brett]

Carnival to temporarily move Baltimore operations to Norfolk
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/carnival-to-temporarily-move-baltimore-operations-to-norfolk/

 

[beejaybee]

Once the debris is removed, perhaps cars/trucks can be ferried across.

 

[TolmiePeak]

Once the debris is removed, perhaps cars/trucks can be ferried across.

The bridge only carried about 35,000 cars per day. They will just detour via the two tunnels under the harbor.

 

[PigsDad]

Did you look at the bridge damage?

It is going to take six months or more to remove all the steel bridge structure; not including the bidding process and all the new government engineering planning and drawing.

Remember this a major bridge construction project over water and not not land.

This is a major bridge project. IMHO

When the I-35 bridge in Minneapolis collapsed several years ago, all the "experts" were saying the same thing: that it would take many years before a new bridge could be constructed. In reality, the new bridge was opened in 14 months. Yes, this is a bigger bridge, but it is amazing how fast they can actually build a bridge in an emergency case like this. We will see, but I highly doubt it will be "8-10 years".

Kurt

 

[pedro47]

When the I-35 bridge in Minneapolis collapsed several years ago, all the "experts" were saying the same thing: that it would take many years before a new bridge could be constructed. In reality, the new bridge was opened in 14 months. Yes, this is a bigger bridge, but it is amazing how fast they can actually build a bridge in an emergency case like this. We will see, but I highly doubt it will be "8-10 years".

Kurt

I'm praying and all the commuter in Maryland are praying your timetable is correct.

 

[HitchHiker71]

When the I-35 bridge in Minneapolis collapsed several years ago, all the "experts" were saying the same thing: that it would take many years before a new bridge could be constructed. In reality, the new bridge was opened in 14 months. Yes, this is a bigger bridge, but it is amazing how fast they can actually build a bridge in an emergency case like this. We will see, but I highly doubt it will be "8-10 years".

Kurt

Given the entire bridge likely has to be replaced - they may consider replacing it with a tunnel instead - it would eliminate the danger of ships impacting the bridge piles in the first place, much like the Fort McHenry and Baltimore tunnels that service I895 and I95 today.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

amazing how fast they can actually build a bridge

LOL. half-dozen yrs ago near me in CA, a tiny piece of road (viaduct technically?) that went over a tiny creek washed out when the creek became much less tiny during a few days of downpours. It was the only road from Pt A to B without very hilly almost 30 mile detour. It probably was used by more cyclists than cars, because there really wasn't much at Pt B except a way to get to Pt C. But still some people lived around Pt B and they had to go the 30 extra very hilly miles if they wanted to get to Pt A. It was a bigger deal for cyclists, cuz they go there for the hills. Many cyclists just went off-road, carrying their bike as they walked thru the creek after it receded.

The first time I saw it, on my bike, I thought "It'll probably take 6 months to replace. The Army Corps of Engineers could do it in 2 days." It took 2 years. Unbelievable the difference between "emergency" response and "not my priority" response.

 

[pedro47]

Given the entire bridge likely has to be replaced - they may consider replacing it with a tunnel instead - it would eliminate the danger of ships impacting the bridge piles in the first place, much like the Fort McHenry and Baltimore tunnels that service I895 and I95 today.

VDOT in the Hamptons Roads Virginia area is building a new Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel between Norfolk and Hampton, Virginia. Using this project as an exactual example It is going to take at least five years to complete.

 

[pedro47]

When the I-35 bridge in Minneapolis collapsed several years ago, all the "experts" were saying the same thing: that it would take many years before a new bridge could be constructed. In reality, the new bridge was opened in 14 months. Yes, this is a bigger bridge, but it is amazing how fast they can actually build a bridge in an emergency case like this. We will see, but I highly doubt it will be "8-10 years".

Kurt

How long was this bridge project?

 

[HitchHiker71]

VDOT in the Hamptons Roads Virginia area is building a new Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel between Norfolk and Hampton, Virginia. Using this project as an exactual example It is going to take at least five years to complete.

Yeah but new expansion vs a catastrophic failure that has shut down a major artery in the Baltimore/D.C. metro areas are two very different projects. This replacement is being federalized as a state of emergency - so any/all construction should be on the fast track, but that said, only time will tell.

 

[DRIless]

VDOT in the Hamptons Roads Virginia area is building a new Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel between Norfolk and Hampton, Virginia. Using this project as an exactual example It is going to take at least five years to complete.

VDOT is keeping traffic moving (most of the time) through two present tubes at Hampton Roads. Doing this slows the work, this is not a comparison that you can make.

 

[PigsDad]

VDOT in the Hamptons Roads Virginia area is building a new Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel between Norfolk and Hampton, Virginia. Using this project as an exactual example It is going to take at least five years to complete.

There is a huge difference in priority / timeline between building a new road / bridge / tunnel vs. replacing something like this that unexpectedly was destroyed. Using other projects as a comparative timeline isn't really useful, IMO.

Kurt

 

[DRIless]

Given the entire bridge likely has to be replaced - they may consider replacing it with a tunnel instead - it would eliminate the danger of ships impacting the bridge piles in the first place, much like the Fort McHenry and Baltimore tunnels that service I895 and I95 today.

I don't pretend to be an expert on roads, bridges, and tunnels, but there is cargo that's not allowed in tunnels, thus the need for a bridge alternate?

 

[PigsDad]

I don't pretend to be an expert on roads, bridges, and tunnels, but there is cargo that's not allowed in tunnels, thus the need for a bridge alternate?

That is a good point. Earlier in this thread @simpsontruckdriver mentioned that the bridge that fell was the hazardous materials route. Replacing it w/ a tunnel would require a new route for those trucks.

Kurt

 

[HitchHiker71]

That is a good point. Earlier in this thread @simpsontruckdriver mentioned that the bridge that fell was the hazardous materials route. Replacing it w/ a tunnel would require a new route for those trucks.

Kurt

Good point - that may belay using a tunnel on this route. I'm no expert either to be clear. Perhaps there's a safer way to build bridges these days using more modern technologies since the original bridge was built in 1977 IIRC. Ways to somehow protect the bridge piles from collisions for example.

 

[pedro47]

The I 35 Bridge span project is only 1, 907 feet long.

 

[pedro47]

In a few days/hours the federal government will give everyone a timetable how long it will take to complete this project. I'm praying for three years or less.

First they must search and find those six (6) missing highway construction workers.
Removable of all the steel beam and concrete will be one of the first tasks.
Removable of that cargo ship and the inspection of that cargo helm is another high priority.
Underwater photos of the concrete pilings by engineering.