DVC moving to II effective Jan 1 2022 [MERGED]

[noreenkate]

220,000 new II members that can exchange into II and also book up cash getaways.

lol sorry-
Before this was even announced I had picked up 2 contracts for specifically jumping on those cash getaways…
cross your fingers still waiting on ROFR

 

[CPNY]

220,000 new II members that can exchange into II and also book up cash getaways.

let’s just hope the orlando block applies to getaways. If not, this will drastically change how I use II.

 

[CPNY]

The % of DVC members that have exchanged historically will not affect availability in the slightest. The only way this makes a difference is if the DVC - II exchange option is far more favorable to DVC members than it has been in the past or RCI was. Plus the DVC deposits will easily even out any discrepancy.

Over on disboards, many seem to be excited at how favorable the point chart looks for DVC. They are also commenting on how much better the resort options are in terms of quality and location. So, yes, I anticipate a lot more exchanges into II than ever seen with RCI. Especially If DVC can pull places like HRA and WSJ in addition to what’s already being reported In sightings. I have a feeling DVC members will have access to the best of the best.

 

[CPNY]

lol sorry-
Before this was even announced I had picked up 2 contracts for specifically jumping on those cash getaways…
cross your fingers still waiting on ROFR

Considering the guide states that DVC units will never show up in getaways (not unexpected), I do hope the orlando regional block is in effect for Orlando Resorts.

 

[noreenkate]

Considering the guide states that DVC units will never show up in getaways (not unexpected), I do hope the orlando regional block is in effect for Orlando Resorts.

oh I had adopted a VV Williamsburgs and picked up a EOY Marriott on eBay…

if the new II deal works like the RCI did, there would be a separate II DVC controlled account right?

We could only sign into RCI through DVC portal assuming its the same with II, - I don’t think I would be able to use the DVC account to deposit Williamsburg
or get access to internal Marriott week trades.
- this should mean, again correct me if I am wrong, that I would need to open at least one complete different, pay for it myself II account.

So my intention before this change was to use the Marriott Willow lodge and open a platinum II account… again just learning, if I do the above or even with the Williamsburg- neither of those accounts would be effected by any regional block Disney puts in place. Correct?


These we’re gotten with the intention of heading to places outside the bubble-no intent to trade back in…
hoping with new resorts to go now we can significantly cut Disney back to once a year max…

 

[CPNY]

oh I had adopted a VV Williamsburgs and picked up a EOY Marriott on eBay…

if the new II deal works like the RCI did, there would be a separate II DVC controlled account right?

We could only sign into RCI through DVC portal assuming its the same with II, - I don’t think I would be able to use the DVC account to deposit Williamsburg
or get access to internal Marriott week trades.
- this should mean, again correct me if I am wrong, that I would need to open at least one complete different, pay for it myself II account.

So my intention before this change was to use the Marriott Willow lodge and open a platinum II account… again just learning, if I do the above or even with the Williamsburg- neither of those accounts would be effected by any regional block Disney puts in place. Correct?

You will likely have a free DVC account with interval and a separate paid for interval account with your Marriott and VV account. You can buy all of the Orlando getaways you want via your Marriott account.

If there is an orlando regional block on getaways for DVC members then you’ll only be able to buy getaways outside of orlando with your DVC II account.

 

[paxsarah]

If you rent out your DVC points, how do you exchange into DVC?

I believe with Wyndham, among possible others.

 

[Dean]

Over on disboards, many seem to be excited at how favorable the point chart looks for DVC. They are also commenting on how much better the resort options are in terms of quality and location. So, yes, I anticipate a lot more exchanges into II than ever seen with RCI. Especially If DVC can pull places like HRA and WSJ in addition to what’s already being reported In sightings. I have a feeling DVC members will have access to the best of the best.

That doesn't surprise me. Most DVC members aren't very timeshare knowledgeable in general. 110-130 points for a studio Peak or 230-260 for a 2 BR doesn't sound favorable to me given that points rent for. And though the points are lower, the off season time is likely an even worse value. Add to that the inability to upgrade to a larger unit even under 60 days without the additional points cost. Historically II has done community ratings so DVC really didn't really trade all that well when with II before and I see no reason to expect it'll be different this time around. Plus as well all know seeing something listed in the directory and securing an exchange are 2 different things. My experience in the past is that DVC members talk a lot more about exchanging than actually doing so resulting in 1-3% of members exchanging in a given year. IMO DVC was a much better fit for RCI, I wonder what happened to get them to change again.

 

[frank808]

I for one would NEVER trade one of my DVC points into II. I would trade INTO DVC with II. The DVC points are way to valuable to be used as a trading currency. 130 points for a studio trade is about $2600 dollars on the rental market. Much more beneficial to rent my DVC points and use the cash.

 

[dioxide45]

The % of DVC members that have exchanged historically will not affect availability in the slightest. The only way this makes a difference is if the DVC - II exchange option is far more favorable to DVC members than it has been in the past or RCI was. Plus the DVC deposits will easily even out any discrepancy.

True, but you didn't address the concern of 220,000 new members having access to cash bookings. Very doubtful that DVC will be dumping enough (aka NONE) inventory in to make up for all the new Getaway bookings by DVC members. That really is my bigger concern.

 

[Dean]

True, but you didn't address the concern of 220,000 new members having access to cash bookings. Very doubtful that DVC will be dumping enough (aka NONE) inventory in to make up for all the new Getaway bookings by DVC members. That really is my bigger concern.

DVC members for the most part own DVC to use at DVC. They won't have access to Orlando getaways I don't think which is a large part of the usable getaways. Personally I don't see getaways or bonus weeks as a major benefit in general, it's a hit or miss option. Regardless I don't see enough usage to affect availability in general and especially not for a group that's proactive and informed as this group tends to be.

 

[bizaro86]

DVC members for the most part own DVC to use at DVC. They won't have access to Orlando getaways I don't think which is a large part of the usable getaways. Personally I don't see getaways or bonus weeks as a major benefit in general, it's a hit or miss option. Regardless I don't see enough usage to affect availability in general and especially not for a group that's proactive and informed as this group tends to be.

It will only matter if they have access to Orlando getaways. That will be hundreds of thousands of new II members with a much higher propensity than average to travel to Orlando.

 

[bnoble]

I guess, but one of the main reasons someone might buy DVC is that they find the offsite locations to be unacceptable. They pretty much have to, because the price difference is so stark. The average DVC Member would no more stay in MGV than they would the Fleabag Inn on 192. Both are simply unthinkable.

Heck, DVC Members even stay in DVC resorts to go to Universal and Sea World.

 

[Dean]

It will only matter if they have access to Orlando getaways. That will be hundreds of thousands of new II members with a much higher propensity than average to travel to Orlando.

Historically they've been blocked from all Orlando options but even if they do I doubt it'll matter. DVC members also have a propensity to stay on property. Realistically it's the other locations that would generally be more appealing to DVC members, not Orlando. Regardless I sees this as much ado about nothing. Besides, getaways are only excess inventory and developer rentals not available for exchange. And it's very possible there will be DVC options for getaways though not cheap ones.

 

[noreenkate]

I guess, but one of the main reasons someone might buy DVC is that they find the offsite locations to be unacceptable. They pretty much have to, because the price difference is so stark. The average DVC Member would no more stay in MGV than they would the Fleabag Inn on 192. Both are simply unthinkable.

Heck, DVC Members even stay in DVC resorts to go to Universal and Sea World.

i kinda disagree, there a lot of DVCs buy in for the onsite perks, not necessarily developer perks - the old buy into the magic…

and yes many times we head over to universal or sea world from DVC but from others I have talked too they generally consider the other parks as day trips- and I am referring to the normal owners not the over-the-top fanatic, the fanatics won’t even acknowledge other parks.

when we head to universal for anything longer than a specific single day/night, for example HHN- we generally book onsite usually Cabana bay family rooms again for the perks with staying on site.

again it’s just my observations

 

[CPNY]

I guess, but one of the main reasons someone might buy DVC is that they find the offsite locations to be unacceptable. They pretty much have to, because the price difference is so stark. The average DVC Member would no more stay in MGV than they would the Fleabag Inn on 192. Both are simply unthinkable.

Heck, DVC Members even stay in DVC resorts to go to Universal and Sea World.

Many on-site locations are unacceptable Many are excellent! I’d likely do a split stay if I was doing every day in a park. Few days at a Disney resort for Disney park days then a few days at a universal resort. If I’m doing a mix of park days and resort days, Sheraton Vistana Villages is best. Most orlando trips are a mix of park/resort days for me, this is why I hope 220,000 DVC members cannot buy orlando getaways.

 

[bizaro86]

Historically they've been blocked from all Orlando options but even if they do I doubt it'll matter. DVC members also have a propensity to stay on property. Realistically it's the other locations that would generally be more appealing to DVC members, not Orlando. Regardless I sees this as much ado about nothing. Besides, getaways are only excess inventory and developer rentals not available for exchange. And it's very possible there will be DVC options for getaways though not cheap ones.

I agree propensity to exchange will be low. And while other locations in aggregate will be more popular I suspect that if it was available Orlando would be the #1 getaway destination for DVC members. The vast majority go there very regularly, so an inexpensive add on would be attractive to some. And the vast majority of the "top tier" getaways are in Orlando. DVCers would probably prefer getaways at the Marriott on Maui vs Marriott in Orlando, but that isn't available.

If even 5% of DVCers booked an Orlando getaway every second year that would be over 10,000 Orlando getaways per year, which would absolutely dent inventory.

Anyway, I don't think its a big deal because I doubt DVC wants its members getting super cheap deals elsewhere in Orlando, so they will almost certainly be blocked. But if not I think it would make a big difference to availability.

 

[CPNY]

Historically they've been blocked from all Orlando options but even if they do I doubt it'll matter. DVC members also have a propensity to stay on property. Realistically it's the other locations that would generally be more appealing to DVC members, not Orlando. Regardless I sees this as much ado about nothing. Besides, getaways are only excess inventory and developer rentals not available for exchange. And it's very possible there will be DVC options for getaways though not cheap ones.

I agree that most DVC members wouldn’t choose another orlando property over DVC as a first choice, however if they are out of points and have annual passes, they may just want to take that extra trip, or book getaways for family or friends to tag along. It may also may be advantageous to book getaways in Orlando as add ons to their DVC reservations for longer stays. The Orlando getaways in interval are much better than RCI Extra vacation offerings. RCI’s nicest Orlando resort is the Wyndham BC and that hardly comes up as an exchange let alone extra vacations, where in II you can book almost every Marriott with ease with the exception of Lakeshore reserve. Even that resort can be had on a getaway.

I think it will be hard to predict what the DVC’er exchange rate will be in II based on historical data. Interval is much different than it was when DVC last exchanged in the network. We also don’t know what type of preference DVC members may receive in order to entice them to exchange into interval. I’d guess that there will be more exchanges in interval than there were with RCI based on the resort options available to DVC members.

As someone who has access to both II and RCI, I’ve never bothered with RCI version is getaways since the options are sub par compared to intervals getaways. I’ve purchased 10-15 II getaways this year alone. Whenever I cross referenced RCI’s results I couldn’t get past the 2nd page of options. It’s no wonder why a DVC members historically didn’t book an extra vacation’s in RCI. I’d guess that there will be a higher percentage of DVC owners that will take advantage of getaways in II than they did in RCI.

 

[dioxide45]

I agree that most DVC members wouldn’t choose another orlando property over DVC as a first choice, however if they are out of points and have annual passes, they may just want to take that extra trip, or book getaways for family or friends to tag along. It may also may be advantageous to book getaways in Orlando as add ons to their DVC reservations for longer stays. The Orlando getaways in interval are much better than RCI Extra vacation offerings. RCI’s nicest Orlando resort is the Wyndham BC and that hardly comes up as an exchange let alone extra vacations, where in II you can book almost every Marriott with ease with the exception of Lakeshore reserve. Even that resort can be had on a getaway.

I think it will be hard to predict what the DVC’er exchange rate will be in II based on historical data. Interval is much different than it was when DVC last exchanged in the network. We also don’t know what type of preference DVC members may receive in order to entice them to exchange into interval. I’d guess that there will be more exchanges in interval than there were with RCI based on the resort options available to DVC members.

As someone who has access to both II and RCI, I’ve never bothered with RCI version is getaways since the options are sub par compared to intervals getaways. I’ve purchased 10-15 II getaways this year alone. Whenever I cross referenced RCI’s results I couldn’t get past the 2nd page of options. It’s no wonder why a DVC members historically didn’t book an extra vacation’s in RCI. I’d guess that there will be a higher percentage of DVC owners that will take advantage of getaways in II than they did in RCI.

I wonder if DVC II members will even have direct access to II? I think they do everything through the DVC Member Website. Will they even have an II portal to go through to make bookings? Will DVC basically be the gatekeeper to everything available in II vs how Marriott and other systems work?

 

[Dean]

I agree propensity to exchange will be low. And while other locations in aggregate will be more popular I suspect that if it was available Orlando would be the #1 getaway destination for DVC members. The vast majority go there very regularly, so an inexpensive add on would be attractive to some. And the vast majority of the "top tier" getaways are in Orlando. DVCers would probably prefer getaways at the Marriott on Maui vs Marriott in Orlando, but that isn't available.

If even 5% of DVCers booked an Orlando getaway every second year that would be over 10,000 Orlando getaways per year, which would absolutely dent inventory.

Anyway, I don't think its a big deal because I doubt DVC wants its members getting super cheap deals elsewhere in Orlando, so they will almost certainly be blocked. But if not I think it would make a big difference to availability.

Historically it's well less than 5% of members total per year that use any exchange option. I can't imagine it's reach 5% total plus it's almost a certainty (as close to 100% as you can get) that DVC members won't have access to the Orlando area at all using DVC.

I wonder if DVC II members will even have direct access to II? I think they do everything through the DVC Member Website. Will they even have an II portal to go through to make bookings? Will DVC basically be the gatekeeper to everything available in II vs how Marriott and other systems work?

I'm sure they will have a portal through the member site but not independent access. When they were with II before, certain DVC cast members had direct and internal access to II's system, I'm not sure even MVC has that degree of access. DVC will demand control including the regional block. It'll be interesting how some of the details work with II compared to when they left II a decade ago, esp given II's move to a points option (to a degree). It'll also be interesting to see what DVC has committed to II. Will they still deposit mostly 1 BR at SSR with some at OKW and AKV or will we see other resorts and sizes deposited.

 

[noreenkate]

I wonder if DVC II members will even have direct access to II? I think they do everything through the DVC Member Website. Will they even have an II portal to go through to make bookings? Will DVC basically be the gatekeeper to everything available in II vs how Marriott and other systems work?

This is my guess- considering thats how it was with RCI- it was how they controlled what we could see…. our portal from what I understand was a little different from what other users in the Wyndham resorts could see- for example I couldn’t see silver crown resorts but could see some other tab

 

[bnoble]

It'll also be interesting to see what DVC has committed to II. Will they still deposit mostly 1 BR at SSR with some at OKW and AKV or will we see other resorts and sizes deposited.

Given the internal pressure on inventory, I have a hard time imagining what II could have provided DVCMC to get them to agree to something like this.

 

[Dean]

Given the internal pressure on inventory, I have a hard time imagining what II could have provided DVCMC to get them to agree to something like this.

I would agree but I think there are other variables. That's why I said I thought it'd be interesting to see how this worked out.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Since DVC went to RCI years ago, there were unhappy DVC members because RCI didn't compare to II for quality exchanges for DVC. DVC members were complaining loudy about RCI. I am so glad for the DVC members who use the option. One of Rick's chiefs at the fire department owns a lot of DVC points and used them for exchange quite often. I told him to rent but he said that is not a nice thing to do to other DVC members.

I am hoping for great options to Disney resorts very soon.

 

[wuv pooh]

Since DVC went to RCI years ago, there were unhappy DVC members because RCI didn't compare to II for quality exchanges for DVC. DVC members were complaining loudy about RCI. I am so glad for the DVC members who use the option. One of Rick's chiefs at the fire department owns a lot of DVC points and used them for exchange quite often. I told him to rent but he said that is not a nice thing to do to other DVC members.

I am hoping for great options to Disney resorts very soon.

Think you will see a lot, especially if you have flexibility. Last time DVC was an easy exchange for my Manor Club lockoff if you were willing to put in a little time. Now there are thousands more DVC owners. Like all timeshares, owners are sold. Many won't go onsite every year or rent their points. A lot will want to travel to the beach or Hawaii or ski if they have a good option. Kids who use their parents points will go where they want to go. I am constantly amazed by conversations in the pool of people who traded their parents 2bd Maui for Harbor Lake 2bd. Disney will be the same. Not everyone obsesses about value. We are self selected for that, but definitely not the majority.