DVC moving to II effective Jan 1 2022 [MERGED]

[vacationlover2]

I think it will depend a lot, at least for me I had no intentions of ever depositing my OKW points in RCI the value just wasn't there. Come January 1 I will definitely be seeing what my options are Marriott’s Village d’Ile-de-France...that IMO would be a bucket list exchange/vaction

I traded into there. It is amazing!!! Stand alone units, quaint and beautiful.

 

[noreenkate]

I traded into there. It is amazing!!! Stand alone units, quaint and beautiful.

Can I ask how you traded- I am new to the idea of trading exchanging...just starting to consider leaving the "bubble" - I picked up a few small contacts for trading in RCI and another for II - or is it Marriot only?

 

[kanerf]

Remember that this is a two-way street. The connection to II has to be up and running so that DVC owners can see what they can trade into and deposit DVC points into II for a trade. Only then will these deposits become available to II members to trade into.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I would bet February. That is my guess.

 

[vacationlover2]

Can I ask how you traded- I am new to the idea of trading exchanging...just starting to consider leaving the "bubble" - I picked up a few small contacts for trading in RCI and another for II - or is it Marriot only?

It was quite a few years ago, but I own Marriott and traded in. I believe it was early summer.

 

[dvc2012]

Region locks only apply to trades using the specific "region locked" resort. It does nothing to prevent you from purchasing Getaways (in II terms; "Last Call" or Extra Vacation Getaways" in RCI). I believe the concern being flagged was that II will now have a large mass of DVC owners added to II....owners which disproportionately vacation in Orlando and would be happy to extend their home resort vacations at DVC with an extra week at a nearby Marriott (picked up via II Getaways). As such, more demand and less Orlando Getaway inventory (which is usually quite generous). II has never extended their region block to cash bookings (and I am sure I knew some DVC members who were able to access Orlando Last Call's )

I understood what the concern was and I’m telling you it’s NOT just limited to exchanges. Like I’ve said multiple times - it applies to Last Call and Extra Vacations as well. I don’t know why - it shouldn’t. But I’ve done direct comparisons with my Club Wyndham and DVC contracts and did not have access to Orlando area on Last Call or EVG. The exception was I think 30 miles from Disney? So there was some stuff further out.

 

[timeshare trader]

I think it will depend a lot, at least for me I had no intentions of ever depositing my OKW points in RCI the value just wasn't there. Come January 1 I will definitely be seeing what my options are Marriott’s Village d’Ile-de-France...that IMO would be a bucket list exchange/vaction

was on a getaway in November for less than $400 for a two bedrom

 

[CPNY]

I understood what the concern was and I’m telling you it’s NOT just limited to exchanges. Like I’ve said multiple times - it applies to Last Call and Extra Vacations as well. I don’t know why - it shouldn’t. But I’ve done direct comparisons with my Club Wyndham and DVC contracts and did not have access to Orlando area on Last Call or EVG. The exception was I think 30 miles from Disney? So there was some stuff further out.

I do hope that if there is a region block for Orlando resorts not being able to exchange into DVC, that DVC owners should be blocked from getaways and cash bookings. The more I think about this change from RCI to II the more I’m not happy about it

 

[VacationForever]

I have no interest in DVC and count me as another one who is unhappy with DVC moving to II. I am hoping that Marriott and Vistana priority period remain.

 

[travelhacker]

I've spent some time digesting this. I had cheaper access to DVC via RCI, so for me personally, it'll be a loss. However, it's not all bad.

- DVC has always had a regional block. Why would they allow their most loyal customers to stay at nicer accommodations for far cheaper? Why would they get rid of the regional block now?
- External Exchange is an after thought to most DVC members. I don't think II had to promise to get rid of priority to get them on board. DVC simply needs a place to appease owners who are worried about losing points. DVC is also are concerned with the satisfaction of their customers and II is a better fit. If II is in the position of being able to give DVC the same deal as what RCI gave them, it would be a no brainer to move on to II.
- Expect II to increase their exchange fees. They are a full $50.00 cheaper in II.
- When people exchange into DVC they will have to give up something desirable. I don't think my parents crappy timeshare in Park City is going to pull DVC anytime but during flex change. If you don't like DVC, I would expect an increase in availability of decent resorts.
- Personally, I think DVC will continue to deposit 1 bedrooms at SSR, OKW, and the occasional fun resort. I don't know why people think DVC will suddenly drop 2 bedrooms like the good ol' days. A lot of 2 bedrooms are lockouts and the studios are easily the most in demand within DVC.

 

[LMD]

This is great news!!! The DVC through RCI was way too costly (too many TPUs) unless the exchange was last minute.

 

[LMD]

I looked at my II history and found that DVC SSR resort was my very first II exchanges and one with an AC! (that won't happen again).

Saratoga 1BR: using AC 11/16/08 (guest cert)
Saratoga 2BR: using non rated/not branded unit in New Smyrna Beach 11/16/08
Saratoga 1BR: using AC 1/24/09
Vero Beach 1BR: Using gold crown williamsburg week 05/17/09

I know I have been to Vero twice - the other must have been in RCI

Just looked at my history 2006 I snagged a 3BR at Disney’s OKW with an AC!!! Used it only for the weekend but it was a FANTASTIC unit! Those were the days……..

 

[cbyrne1174]

I'm confused about region block. Can I use my Marriott Grande Vista deed (in Orlando) to exchange into SSR or no?

 

[dioxide45]

I'm confused about region block. Can I use my Marriott Grande Vista deed (in Orlando) to exchange into SSR or no?

That would be a no. It was reported that any Orlando resorts within a 45 mile radius of WDW were not able to exchange into DVC through RCI. II had a similar block when DVC was with them prior to 2009. So any Orlando Marriott resorts are likely to be blocked from trading into DVC.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I'm confused about region block. Can I use my Marriott Grande Vista deed (in Orlando) to exchange into SSR or no?

Didn't used to be able to do that through II, but you never know. All of this is speculation until Disney starts dropping units to II.

I don't remember an announcement like this one when Disney went from II to RCI way back when. I don't remember these long discussions about that decision.

 

[travelhacker]

I'm confused about region block. Can I use my Marriott Grande Vista deed (in Orlando) to exchange into SSR or no?

If your Grande Vista unit is a member of the Florida Club, you could always reserve at say Ocean Pointe and deposit that to II.

 

[dougp26364]

Things have changed since 2008/2009. DVC as an online instant exchange might be as scarce as hens teeth. I would think (meaning I could be wrong) that it will take an OGS to snag DVC inventory. Note that I don’t think it will be impossible, I just have my reservations that there will be DVC weeks that pass thru the OGS requests to make it to the online instant exchange inventory.

 

[elaine]

I think it will depend a lot, at least for me I had no intentions of ever depositing my OKW points in RCI the value just wasn't there. Come January 1 I will definitely be seeing what my options are Marriott’s Village d’Ile-de-France...that IMO would be a bucket list exchange/vaction

In the past, there were Ile-de-France units in June and sometimes summer in II. Off season has more. I you cannot book via II, it is not that $$$ to just book with cash or M points. We've done that 2X. It's quite cost-effective for a family vs hotel rooms. One of our fav places! If you get a booking, feel free to mssg me for area info/tips. Elaine

 

[noreenkate]

In the past, there were Ile-de-France units in June and sometimes summer in II. Off season has more. I you cannot book via II, it is not that $$$ to just book with cash or M points. We've done that 2X. It's quite cost-effective for a family vs hotel rooms. One of our fav places! If you get a booking, feel free to mssg me for area info/tips. Elaine

Thanks - I will take you up on that…i have been daydreaming about EuroDisney since it opened and have never been to France…I had actually planned a trip and my family balked, and we purchased DVC instead, because the bulk of my points are resale they couldn’t be used at the Paris resorts. It was only last few months that I discovered Ile-de-France and it’s great reviews. Lol last week I completed my first solo trip to WDW - NEXT SOLO TRIP PARIS!

 

[bnoble]

I would think (meaning I could be wrong) that it will take an OGS to snag DVC inventory.

Many of my RCI DVC exchanges were via ongoing search, but some of them---including the last one I confirmed just two days ago---came from open inventory. Indeed, there is one just sitting there right now. I think there are reasons why exchange in II might be easier, reasons it might be harder, and factors we just don't (and won't) know. I suspect that, on balance, it will converge to be similar to what we see in RCI now, with the caveat that, at the very beginning, only timeshare wonks (like TUGgers) will know that the resorts have even been added. So, in that period there might be fewer searches competing for whatever is deposited.

 

[Ty1on]

Many of my RCI DVC exchanges were via ongoing search, but some of them---including the last one I confirmed just two days ago---came from open inventory. Indeed, there is one just sitting there right now. I think there are reasons why exchange in II might be easier, reasons it might be harder, and factors we just don't (and won't) know. I suspect that, on balance, it will converge to be similar to what we see in RCI now, with the caveat that, at the very beginning, only timeshare wonks (like TUGgers) will know that the resorts have even been added. So, in that period there might be fewer searches competing for whatever is deposited.

Open inventory sightings seem to have been fairly regular recently. Maybe has to do with the glut of DVC points that were unusable during lockdown.

I do sincerely believe that some folks who never would have deposited into RCI will deposit into II because of the more upscale exchange possibilities.

Now if RCI loses HGVC, it's going to be bleeding profusely.

 

[Dean]

I do hope that if there is a region block for Orlando resorts not being able to exchange into DVC, that DVC owners should be blocked from getaways and cash bookings. The more I think about this change from RCI to II the more I’m not happy about it

Historically DVC members have been block for the same area related to exchanging out as well.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Things have changed since 2008/2009. DVC as an online instant exchange might be as scarce as hens teeth. I would think (meaning I could be wrong) that it will take an OGS to snag DVC inventory. Note that I don’t think it will be impossible, I just have my reservations that there will be DVC weeks that pass thru the OGS requests to make it to the online instant exchange inventory.

I hadn't thought of that before. The DVC that I booked was mostly instant exchanges with RCI, Wyndham and Shell points. Ongoing searches will be the best way to get II exchanges. II has always been that way. As Denise M always says, what you see online in II is leftover inventory after ongoing requests have been fulfilled.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I talked to a few friends today about Disney inventory, people who are used to traveling elsewhere with weeks I advised them to buy (always SBP and SDO). I was telling them I was excited about the news. They asked me why I would stay in a small unit, when I can get the 2 bedrooms at Marriott resorts that they have grown to love.

There's just something about Disney for me. I cannot tell you the answer to that question.

Our son and daughter-in-law are no longer interested in staying at DVC in one bedrooms. With the soon-to-be-born twins (any day now as she is at 35.5 weeks), our son said he didn't want me to book Disney for them anymore. They need 2 bedrooms because their four-year-old needs to be able to sleep without crying babies. I was surprised, but he has never gotten the Disney magic. He doesn't get up early for magic hours in the AM, and he doesn't like keeping Elizabeth up late for late-night hours. What other benefits are there, except not having to park at the transportation center to get into Magic Kingdom. That's a rhetorical question, unless you have an answer for me. The buses don't help me much. I think waiting for buses is frustrating. We have waited as much as 40 minutes for a bus after long days at the parks.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Open inventory sightings seem to have been fairly regular recently. Maybe has to do with the glut of DVC points that were unusable during lockdown.

I do sincerely believe that some folks who never would have deposited into RCI will deposit into II because of the more upscale exchange possibilities.

Now if RCI loses HGVC, it's going to be bleeding profusely.

Yes they will, but will RCI be able to charge $25 per day for Orlando resorts through exchange, when Marriott 2 bedrooms charge no such fees and are nicer than Hilton. Last Hilton I stayed in Orlando, I was assigned a first floor unit with roaches constantly on the floor in the kitchen. That never has happened to me at a Marriott..

Hilton is making a mint off of those fees. When I see reduced TPU inventory at Hilton in RCI, I consider taking it, but I will only do that once a year to get my Hilton Aspire credit card credit for the $25 per day fee.

If Hilton moves to II and charges those fees of $25 per day, I see Disney charging $285 to II exchangers. Maybe that is going to be the little catch that II agreed to. I would make a deal like that, if I was DVC. I would still take a Disney SSR or OKW over anything else. Yes, I am that crazy.

I know what my DVC points are worth. I have been renting them for $20 per point through go-Koala.com My 500 points would get me less than 3 weeks at Disney in a one bedroom. I rent my points for $12-13 over MF's and exchange into Disney. The only difficult times to get are October-December., so we suffer at Marriott

I would pay the $285, if that is the new price.