DVC moving to II effective Jan 1 2022 [MERGED]

[ndang3]

This is really great news. However, for those of you who think you'll able to use Hyatt, MVC, Hilton, etc...to get in to DVC....you'll be surprised...We own both Vistana and DVC and DVC is EXTREMELY hard to get in....remember there are only like 15 DVC properties. If you don't own at HHI or Grand Californian, you can forget getting in those two places through II guaranteed

 

[dioxide45]

This is really great news. However, for those of you who think you'll able to use Hyatt, MVC, Hilton, etc...to get in to DVC....you'll be surprised...We own both Vistana and DVC and DVC is EXTREMELY hard to get in....remember there are only like 15 DVC properties. If you don't own at HHI or Grand Californian, you can forget getting in those two places through II guaranteed

I don't think many people would be looking to trade into DVC in HHI. Too many other options there. Most people would be looking to trade into DVC resorts on WDW property. It seems to happen often enough in RCI, not sure why it would be any different with II. People here seem to have their expectations straight.

 

[Ty1on]

Great news for DVC owners and II members. Not so much for us poor RCI folk.

 

[CPNY]

This was my concern. I have REALLY enjoyed paying for getaways in Orlando, and to suddenly have competition from 220,000 rabid Disney fans could alter the dynamics of that greatly.

Yup, they will buy getaways at Marriott’s to add onto their DVC reservations. I think this is what concerns me most. Personally, I’m ok with not staying at DVC. I have SSR coming up in Jan. While it will be great, I think I’d prefer to stay off site in a larger room at the Sheraton or Marriott resorts.

 

[CPNY]

It will be interesting to see if there are two bedrooms or will they continue the 1BR trend.

It will be interesting to see how the inventory is released….. if it is ever released. Maybe in the beginning it may be plentiful but I suspect it will end up like HRA or WSJ. nearly impossible to trade into a DVC. I may be wrong, we shall see

 

[ndang3]

It will be interesting to see how the inventory is released….. if it is ever released. Maybe in the beginning it may be plentiful but I suspect it will end up like HRA or WSJ. nearly impossible to trade into a DVC. I may be wrong, we shall see

Agree with this. It won't be impossible but very improbable.

 

[jdunn1]

I have no experience trading into DVC via interval but I have lots of experience trading in via RCI. I bought into the Marriott system just when DVC switched to RCI. I was upset about DVC switching so I bought a small Worldmark contract to protect me from never being able to trade into DVC, again. Worldmark allows you to trade in both RCI and II, equally. Internal trade presences aside, Worldmark has trading power equal to any other timeshare, including Hyatt and Marriott. Some may argue that Worldmark won't trade as well as a Hyatt or Marriott but in my experience this is only true when internal trade presence is factored in.

Anyway, when DVC first aligned with RCI there were many years when you could get just about any DVC week and resort you wanted. I remember getting a match for a 2 bedroom Grand California for 4th of July week and declined the trade believe it or not. I got several 3 bedroom DVC summer weeks into OKY and SSR. A 3 bedroom AKV was just as easy to get but I never wanted to be that far away from the resorts or downtown Disney. In the beginning, it was easy to get the Disney's Hawaii resort in any size but a 3 bedroom for a while. I made all of these trades with my Worldmark points because that was all I had that traded into RCI. One summer I got a 3 bedroom SSR and a 2 bedroom Contemporary Resort week for 4th of July week. DVC was depositing so many weeks into RCI that you could literally get any week you wanted. Those days lasted for a few years. There are several TUG members who can testify to how easy and reliable it was to get DVC trades when they switched to RCI.

I'm not expecting DVC to be that easy or plentiful in Interval but maybe we will have a couple good years in the beginning when trades are easier. I do not know what happened in RCI that made Disney stop depositing 2 bedrooms or for all the resorts. Honestly, there were several years where you could get any resort and any week you wanted in RCI.

I seem to remember DVC owners complaining about how many weeks were being deposited into RCI and that may be why DVC changed their ways. I got out of the DVC trading game right about the time when things changed. I just figure that anything we get in II will have to be better than the way things currently are in RCI.

I would love to hear what people got via II for DVC back in the day. I can simply testify that when DVC was new in RCI and for the first five years or so, just about anything was possible in terms of a trade, even HHI weeks. HHI was always very difficult but I know people got 3 bedrooms in the off season. I am certain I even remember people posting about getting 3 bedroom HHI deposits in the off season through Interval. I was researching the trading power of Marriott weeks for DVC just before DVC switched to RCI and that is how I remember learning about HHI trades in the off-season for 3 bedroom units.

 

[dvc2012]

I am not sure why a DVC owner would want to trade their DVC points into a non DVC resort in Orlando though.

You wouldn’t for exchanges - but they even block our extra vacations and last call! Which was one of the main reasons I picked up a wyndham contract.

 

[ocdb8r]

Why do people think DVC will be any more difficult to get into when trading via II vs. RCI? I am sure there will likely be some initial pent up demand for people who own only in II and are anxious to get into DVC after years of nothing, but I suspect over time things will be similar to how they are in RCI (not an "easy" trade by any means, but not impossible or super rare). Reports of how things worked in II previously are largely useless; the number of DVC resorts and members has grown exponentially since 2009. I imagine DVC will operate their deposits much like they have done in recent years in RCI (focusing on depositing SSR and OKW with the occasional AKL or other week tossed into II when it suits them). What remains to be seen is if II creates some sort of preferential trading availability for certain non-DVC resorts (given the letter to DVC owners mentions a specially curated portfolio). In RCI there were some preferential arrangements in place (with Welk, for example).

On another note....there were some hints this was coming (and Tuggers saw it): https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/disney-on-ii.301178/

 

[paxsarah]

I do not know what happened in RCI that made Disney stop depositing 2 bedrooms or for all the resorts.

Or it could have been unrelated to anything happening in RCI at all. The travel industry in general was in a very different place in 2008 through the early ‘10s than it was by the time they dropped the 2BR deposits in 2015-16.

 

[dvc2012]

Yup, they will buy getaways at Marriott’s to add onto their DVC reservations. I think this is what concerns me most.

In RCI - Orlando was region locked for DVC owners. I expect the same for II. DVC members won’t be able to book surrounding Orlando area Marriotts (a lot of which were also in RCI) - so no real change here. And that’s for points or cash bookings.

 

[dioxide45]

In RCI - Orlando was region locked for DVC owners. I expect the same for II. DVC members won’t be able to book surrounding Orlando area Marriotts (a lot of which were also in RCI) - so no real change here. And that’s for points or cash bookings.

I suspect the Orlando area was locked out back with DVC was with II prior to 2009? I beleive DVC still curated the available resorts back then and likely didn't have any available to book in Orlando?

 

[ocdb8r]

In RCI - Orlando was region locked for DVC owners. I expect the same for II. DVC members won’t be able to book surrounding Orlando area Marriotts (a lot of which were also in RCI) - so no real change here. And that’s for points or cash bookings.

Region locks only apply to trades using the specific "region locked" resort. It does nothing to prevent you from purchasing Getaways (in II terms; "Last Call" or Extra Vacation Getaways" in RCI). I believe the concern being flagged was that II will now have a large mass of DVC owners added to II....owners which disproportionately vacation in Orlando and would be happy to extend their home resort vacations at DVC with an extra week at a nearby Marriott (picked up via II Getaways). As such, more demand and less Orlando Getaway inventory (which is usually quite generous). II has never extended their region block to cash bookings (and I am sure I knew some DVC members who were able to access Orlando Last Call's )

 

[mdurette]

This is really great news. However, for those of you who think you'll able to use Hyatt, MVC, Hilton, etc...to get in to DVC....you'll be surprised...We own both Vistana and DVC and DVC is EXTREMELY hard to get in....remember there are only like 15 DVC properties. If you don't own at HHI or Grand Californian, you can forget getting in those two places through II guaranteed

I would disagree. But, I think we are talking two different things here. Echanging within the DVC system and with II

You mention DVC is hard to get into and if you don't own at HHI or GC forget about it. This I would say is true exchanging within the DVC system. Is that what you are referencing?

Obviously, we don't know what exchanging with II will look like yet. But, if all holds the same I would certainly expect high TP deposits (like branded units) to be able to pull DVC inventory.

I don't believe it will go back to what it used to be like in II. I believe we would see deposits similar to what RCI has been getting. 1BR units - mostly in SSR and then dribbles of OKW and AKL.
No getaway availablity. Whatever they offer up, I will be happy with. Cost savings is immense vs paying OOP.

 

[ndang3]

I would disagree. But, I think we are talking two different things here. Echanging within the DVC system and with II

You mention DVC is hard to get into and if you don't own at HHI or GC forget about it. This I would say is true exchanging within the DVC system. Is that what you are referencing?

Obviously, we don't know what exchanging with II will look like yet. But, if all holds the same I would certainly expect high TP deposits (like branded units) to be able to pull DVC inventory.

I don't believe it will go back to what it used to be like in II. I believe we would see deposits similar to what RCI has been getting. 1BR units - mostly in SSR and then dribbles of OKW and AKL.
No getaway availablity. Whatever they offer up, I will be happy with. Cost savings is immense vs paying OOP.

Ok good luck! HHI and GC consistently sell out at 11 mo with very little movement. Obviously some people have emergencies and other things come up, but dvc has an internal waitlist system while mvc does not I believe so as soon as any property is released someone within dvc is able to snag it. Some resorts are more open than others and in general the hardest resorts to get into are HHI and GC. I don’t know how much inventory Disney keeps as rentals at each, I just know they’re consistently sold out.

 

[dioxide45]

Ok good luck! HHI and GC consistently sell out at 11 mo with very little movement. Obviously some people have emergencies and other things come up, but dvc has an internal waitlist system while mvc does not I believe so as soon as any property is released someone within dvc is able to snag it. Some resorts are more open than others and in general the hardest resorts to get into are HHI and GC. I don’t know how much inventory Disney keeps as rentals at each, I just know they’re consistently sold out.

I still don't see anyone saying they plan to to trade into GC or HHI. I am not sure where you keep seeing this?

 

[JulieAB]

I would love to hear what people got via II for DVC back in the day. I can simply testify that when DVC was new in RCI and for the first five years or so, just about anything was possible in terms of a trade, even HHI weeks. HHI was always very difficult but I know people got 3 bedrooms in the off season. I am certain I even remember people posting about getting 3 bedroom HHI deposits in the off season through Interval. I was researching the trading power of Marriott weeks for DVC just before DVC switched to RCI and that is how I remember learning about HHI trades in the off-season for 3 bedroom units.

We got a 2 bedroom Grand Californian in spring 2013 with RCI. I think it was around 25 TPUs? We had the BEST time watching WoC from the balcony every night when the trees were low back then.

We also got a 2 bedroom at boardwalk first week of Dec in 2011 with RCI, equally cheap!

Before RCI, I had sunterra/diamond and we got a trade for boardwalk with a little 1 bedroom points deposit. We had to cancel that one but we once stayed at 4 seasons Aviara on that one too. I think diamond had a preference because we seemed to pull everything.

Why do people think DVC will be any more difficult to get into when trading via II vs. RCI?

Because II is less transparent than RCI. In RCI, if you have enough TPUs, you'll get it. You know exactly what is needed. With II, the trade value of all the weeks is still secretive like RCI used to be long ago. There's no option for "trading up" by combining deposits if you have a less valuable week.

 

[rickandcindy23]

For a while, even the 1 bedrooms at SSR were 59 points with RCI. The new number is now 45, unless it's last minute.

I still hope to get some late April-early May dates through RCI to use some of my trading power.

 

[travelhacker]

Region locks only apply to trades using the specific "region locked" resort. It does nothing to prevent you from purchasing Getaways (in II terms; "Last Call" or Extra Vacation Getaways" in RCI). I believe the concern being flagged was that II will now have a large mass of DVC owners added to II....owners which disproportionately vacation in Orlando and would be happy to extend their home resort vacations at DVC with an extra week at a nearby Marriott (picked up via II Getaways). As such, more demand and less Orlando Getaway inventory (which is usually quite generous). II has never extended their region block to cash bookings (and I am sure I knew some DVC members who were able to access Orlando Last Call's )

Just a quick point of clarification on this.

Hyatt owners are blocked from trading back into Hyatt and this extends to II getaways. My guess is that DVC owners will be blocked from II getaways to Orlando resorts as well after reading that they were blocked from Extra Vacations in RCI.

 

[dioxide45]

Because II is less transparent than RCI. In RCI, if you have enough TPUs, you'll get it. You know exactly what is needed. With II, the trade value of all the weeks is still secretive like RCI used to be long ago. There's no option for "trading up" by combining deposits if you have a less valuable week.

Many systems trade in II in a TPU like manner. Marriott DC points. Westin and Sheraton Flex, Hyatt and Worldmark all use a TPI/Unit Size grid to determine trade power.

 

[OutAndAbout]

Here's the press release

 

[CPNY]

In RCI - Orlando was region locked for DVC owners. I expect the same for II. DVC members won’t be able to book surrounding Orlando area Marriotts (a lot of which were also in RCI) - so no real change here. And that’s for points or cash bookings.

Interesting. I’d welcome that… some of us like staying off site and don’t want to see orlando getaway prices double because the demand is there

 

[rickandcindy23]

I just checked my II history, which goes back to 1996. I only owned one resort back in 1996, Twin Rivers, which didn't trade into Disney resorts. I talked to Becky Varn, former Foxrun board member now deceased, who told me that the Foxrun weeks she was selling would definitely trade into Disney. I bought a week from her for $2,000 in 2006 and made many trades into DVC, from the fall of 2006 to my last exchange a 2 bedroom at Saratoga Springs for 1/19/2009. I bought a couple of other Foxrun weeks that I sold when Disney left II. I made 12 trades in that time, and believe it or not, half of the trades were AC's. Super cheap to get those weeks.

That luck will never happen again, I am sure of it.

In case you don't remember, there is a TUG member who has been getting 2 bedrooms at DVC all along, and he owns Welk points. Maybe his name is @Shankilicious

I have Wyndham points and 2 bedroom DVC exchanges stopped completely for me years ago. I was not all that disappointed. But I wish I could get Boulder Ridge Villas again. That is Rick's favorite.

 

[Shankilicious]

I just checked my II history, which goes back to 1996. I only owned one resort back in 1996, Twin Rivers, which didn't trade into Disney resorts. I talked to Becky Varn, former Foxrun board member now deceased, who told me that the Foxrun weeks she was selling would definitely trade into Disney. I bought a week from her for $2,000 in 2006 and made many trades into DVC, from the fall of 2006 to my last exchange a 2 bedroom at Saratoga Springs for 1/19/2009. I bought a couple of other Foxrun weeks that I sold when Disney left II. I made 12 trades in that time, and believe it or not, half of the trades were AC's. Super cheap to get those weeks.

That luck will never happen again, I am sure of it.

In case you don't remember, there is a TUG member who has been getting 2 bedrooms at DVC all along, and he owns Welk points. Maybe his name is @Shankilicious

I have Wyndham points and 2 bedroom DVC exchanges stopped completely for me years ago. I was not all that disappointed. But I wish I could get Boulder Ridge Villas again. That is Rick's favorite.

Since Welk switched to RCI, pre COVID I was seeing two bedrooms at OKW and SSR, and one bedrooms at Boulder springs and the animal kingdom from time to time. Since covid, not so much....
We'll see what happens once Welk and Disney are II again in January

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[rickandcindy23]

Since Welk switched to RCI, pre COVID I was seeing two bedrooms at OKW and SSR, and one bedrooms at Boulder springs and the animal kingdom from time to time. Since covid, not so much....
We'll see what happens once Welk and Disney are II again in January

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