COVID-19 'has NO credible natural ancestor' and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with 'retro-engineering'

[Yellowfin]

EXCLUSIVE: COVID-19 'has NO credible natural ancestor' and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with 'retro-engineering' to make it seem like it naturally arose from bats, explosive new study claims

New study claims Chinese scientists created COVID 19 in a lab

The 22-page paper on the origins of COVID-19, exclusively obtained by DailyMail.com and slated for publication in the coming days, is set to make waves among the scientific community.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[beejaybee]

The Daily Mail....the same tabloid with the headline about the antivaxxer speeding thru the tent in Blount county.

 

[Brett]

"explosive" "exclusive" "study" from the Daily Mail
fiendish Chinese scientists are now infecting brains and turning patriots into immigrant zombies

 

[Yellowfin]

The Daily Mail....the same tabloid with the headline about the antivaxxer speeding thru the tent in Blount county.

You had the same reaction as my cousin but other media organizations are covering this as well. France 24 is French state owned TV network.

Explosive study claims to prove Chinese scientists created COVID

British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen wrote they’ve had primary evidence “of retro-engineering in China” since last year.

nypost.com

https://www.fr24news.com/fr/a/2021/05/le-covid-19-a-ete-fabrique-par-des-scientifiques-chinois-qui-ont-essaye-de-le-dissimuler-selon-une-etude.html

Explosive study claims to prove Chinese scientists created COVID

A bombshell new study claims to have proof that Chinese scientists created COVID-19 in a lab and then tried to reverse-engineer versions of the virus to make it look like it evolved naturally from bats.

www.foxnews.com

Bombshell study’s wild Covid origin theory

An explosive new study claims Covid-19 was created by Wuhan scientists who then covered their tracks by “retro-engineering” versions of the virus to make it appear it evolved organically from animals.

www.news.com.au

 

[Talent312]

1st Thought: It sounds like an echo chamber in here.
2nd Thought: Call someone who cares.
.

 

[Yellowfin]

The two seem to have very solid bios. The say they discovered this while they were trying to develop a vaccine for Covid 19

"Dalgleish is a professor of oncology at St George's University, London, and is best known for his breakthrough creating the first working 'HIV vaccine', to treat diagnosed patients and allow them to go off medication for months.


Sørensen, a virologist, is chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, which developed a coronavirus vaccine candidate called Biovacc-19. Dalgleish also has share options in the firm. "

 

[Cornell]

The tabloids have been the first to discover the truth about many newsworthy stories over the years.

 

[Conan]

"Dalgleish is a professor of oncology at St George's University, London, and is best known for his breakthrough creating the first working 'HIV vaccine', to treat diagnosed patients and allow them to go off medication for months.

Sørensen, a virologist, is chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, which developed a coronavirus vaccine candidate called Biovacc-19. Dalgleish also has share options in the firm. "

Angus Dalgleish keeps strange company, judging by the panel (Cuba, Iraq, Eqypt, Brazil, China, Poland, and some odd Americans) he's presenting with next week:

Vaccines & Immunization is on May 2 2022 at Paris

Vaccines & Immunization vaccines-2022

vaccines.alliedacademies.com

"Dalgleish is a Eurosceptic and campaigned for Leave.EU and Brexit during the UK withdrawal from the EU as a member of the UKIP.[17][23][24][20] He is an advocate of Leave Means Leave, a Eurosceptic pressure group."

Angus Dalgleish - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A bit of fact-checking from last year:

"During a podcast interview, Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson and her guest, Sir Richard Dearlove (Chief of MI6 between 1999 and 2004), discussed a new research paper on a potential coronavirus vaccine.

Ms Pearson claims that two of the paper’s authors, Birger Sørensen and Angus Dalgleish say that the genetic sequence of the virus means it “was engineered in a laboratory.” Sir Richard then suggests that these claims were included in the paper discussed, which has been “peer-reviewed and printed in a journal which is most prestigious.”

These claims were, reportedly, in an earlier draft of the paper, and Dr Sørensen has since repeated them to Norwegian press.

However, the final version of the research paper, which has undergone peer review and been accepted for publication in the Quarterly Review of Biophysics Discovery, doesn’t actually make any claims about whether the virus was natural or man-made in its current form. "

A Norwegian-British research paper doesn’t claim the virus causing Covid-19 was man-made - Full Fact

There is still no evidence to suggest that the new coronavirus was man-made.

fullfact.org

 

[Brett]

The tabloids have been the first to discover the truth about many newsworthy stories over the years.

yes, true for some newsworthy "truths" but old fashioned journalism still refuses to pay for "news"

 

[Passepartout]

What say we hold off on accusations until the investigation that has been called for by CDC, WHO, the President, and FBI, CIA, and other credible organizations whose motive is NOT selling more magazines or advertising, is complete.

Until then. Get the protection that will keep you and yours safe and out of harm's way. Get vaxxed! Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

Jim

 

[Cornell]

What say we hold off on accusations until the investigation that has been called for by CDC, WHO, and other credible organizations whose motive is NOT selling more magazines or advertising, is complete.

Until then. Get the protection that will keep you and yours safe and out of harm's way. Get vaxxed! Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

Jim

Why not both ? Get vaccinated and understand how this whole thing started.

 

[beejaybee]

I am grateful our friends from Wuhan who lived here from 9/19 to 10/20 while the husband was a guest physician researcher at Case were able to return home to an intact extended family.

 

[Yellowfin]

Angus Dalgleish keeps strange company, judging by the panel (Cuba, Iraq, Eqypt, Brazil, China, Poland, and some odd Americans) he's presenting with next week:

Vaccines & Immunization is on May 2 2022 at Paris

Vaccines & Immunization vaccines-2022

vaccines.alliedacademies.com

"Dalgleish is a Eurosceptic and campaigned for Leave.EU and Brexit during the UK withdrawal from the EU as a member of the UKIP.[17][23][24][20] He is an advocate of Leave Means Leave, a Eurosceptic pressure group."

Angus Dalgleish - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A bit of fact-checking from last year:

"During a podcast interview, Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson and her guest, Sir Richard Dearlove (Chief of MI6 between 1999 and 2004), discussed a new research paper on a potential coronavirus vaccine.

Ms Pearson claims that two of the paper’s authors, Birger Sørensen and Angus Dalgleish say that the genetic sequence of the virus means it “was engineered in a laboratory.” Sir Richard then suggests that these claims were included in the paper discussed, which has been “peer-reviewed and printed in a journal which is most prestigious.”

These claims were, reportedly, in an earlier draft of the paper, and Dr Sørensen has since repeated them to Norwegian press.

However, the final version of the research paper, which has undergone peer review and been accepted for publication in the Quarterly Review of Biophysics Discovery, doesn’t actually make any claims about whether the virus was natural or man-made in its current form. "

A Norwegian-British research paper doesn’t claim the virus causing Covid-19 was man-made - Full Fact

There is still no evidence to suggest that the new coronavirus was man-made.

fullfact.org

1) Can you explain why being Eurosceptic is relevant when discussing the qualifications of a scientist?

2) Can you please explain why those scientists are strange fellows?

3) You are quoting materials that are almost 1 year old. The tide has changed if you noticed, a lot more scientists, journalists, politicians believe this theory is very valid. The two doctors now explain in detail (as much as possible in a newspaper) why they believe the virus was manufactured in a lab. Read the whole article.

 

[Yellowfin]

The evidence which suggests that this is no naturally evolved virus

Minerva has uploaded a version of the controversial article that claims the coronavirus is not natural in origin.

www.minervanett.no

(this is almost one year old)

 

[Conan]

Can you please explain why those scientists are strange fellows?

Many of the countries mentioned are well-represented on the covid misinformation list.

IFCN Covid-19 Misinformation - Poynter

This database gathers all of the falsehoods detected by the CoronaVirusFacts/DatosCoronaVirus alliance. It unites more than 100 fact-checkers in 45 countries.

www.poynter.org

 

[exco]

Many of the countries mentioned are well-represented on the covid misinformation list.

IFCN Covid-19 Misinformation - Poynter

This database gathers all of the falsehoods detected by the CoronaVirusFacts/DatosCoronaVirus alliance. It unites more than 100 fact-checkers in 45 countries.

www.poynter.org

Yellowfin said:
"Can you please explain why those scientists are strange fellows?"
I do not understand why your reply was about "Many of the countries mentioned are well-represented on the covid misinformation list".

I am confused. What you are trying to defend? Our country (US), the Chinese government, or the ignorant scientists?
Can you wait for Biden tasks intelligence community to report on Covid origins to reply as convincing as you are today?

Biden tasks intelligence community to report on Covid origins in 90 days

President Joe Biden said Wednesday he has directed the US intelligence community to redouble their efforts in investigating the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic and report back to him in 90 days.

www.cnn.com

Also, what do you think of the scientist who did not know his creation was going to kill billions of people
(I know it is a scientific fiction movie and is not real yet. And bio warfare could have been much worse than what this movie was trying to warn)

 

[Yellowfin]

Many of the countries mentioned are well-represented on the covid misinformation list.

IFCN Covid-19 Misinformation - Poynter

This database gathers all of the falsehoods detected by the CoronaVirusFacts/DatosCoronaVirus alliance. It unites more than 100 fact-checkers in 45 countries.

www.poynter.org

So it is your opinion that these doctors should not be invited to any International conferences just because he is from Brazil and she is from Egypt? Please clarify
Luiz Weber -Bandeira

Santa Casa do Rio de Janeiro , Brazil
Biography :
Luiz Werber-Bandeira is the Head of clinical and experimental immunology unit - Santa Casa da Misericórdia, Rio de Janeiro - General Hospital. He has a degree in Medicine, post-doctorate in Immuno-Genetics, and PhD in medicine-immunology-dermatology from Federal University of Rio de Janeiro-UFRJ. He is also specialized in Clinical Immunology-Allergy at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro-UFRJ. Reorganizer of the clinical and experimental immunology unit - Santa Casa da Misericórdia, Rio de Janeiro. Reorganizer of the immunology laboratory of the clinical and experimental immunology unit - Santa Casa da Misericórdia, Rio de Janeiro. Creator, Scientific organizer and president of ImmunoRio in 97, 99, 2001 and 2004. President and scientific organizer of the extra section of clinical immunology 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2015... Organizer and chair of the clinical immunology & chair of the South Fluminense-Vassouras faculty. Full professor in connected Domains-Carlos Chagas medical graduate school.

Dr. Naiven Helmy

National Research Center in Egypt , Egypt
Biography :
Consultant of clinical microbiology and immunology, Researcher at clinical and chemical pathology department, National research center,Egypt. Member of molecular laboratory center of excellence, National research Centre. Working in one of private megalabs (El mokhtaber laboratory in Egypt) as clinical microbiologist. Shared in several internationally funded community projects as Alleviating and Managing Anemia induced Therapy for Hepatitis C Patients Title: in Seven Villages of Egypt/ Community outreach approach for having a model of a village controlled from diabetes with improved quality of life: Egypt. Has 13 ongoing projects dealing with genetic background of high socially – economic burden infectious and chronic disease with many published scientific publications in well acclaimed journals. Read less

Research Interest :
Through personalized antimicrobial therapy, Detection and assessing AmpC beta lactamase types in Escherichia coli and Klebsiella pneumonia in Egyptian hospitals

 

[Yellowfin]

1st Thought: It sounds like an echo chamber in here.
2nd Thought: Call someone who cares.
.

So you do not care for example if other viruses could have been created in the Wuhan lab that can potentially start pandemics 10 times worse than Covid. I appreciate you telling us where you stand on this.

I am a little curious what went through your mind when you learned last year that the Chinese government banned all the local flights from Wuhan but did not restrict the International flights to/from Wuhan.

Since you do not care, you do not have to answer.

 

[Fried_shrimp]

Why does it matter? Natural or not, it's here. What are we going to do if it truly was released from a Chinese lab, nuke them? No, so it doesn't matter.

 

[Yellowfin]

Why does it matter? Natural or not, it's here. What are we going to do if it truly was released from a Chinese lab, nuke them? No, so it doesn't matter.

Simply put, it is important to draw attention to the risks of this kind of research that can lead to man-made pandemics.

According to the Hill:
“This is absolutely not a partisan issue. Our recent polling shows that 77 percent of taxpayers want an independent investigation into the origins of COVID, and the majority of Americans want to defund gain of function experiments and to defund the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” Goodman said.

Senate votes to defund Wuhan animal lab and ‘gain-of-function’ experiments in China

This comes after questions about the possible origins of COVID-19.

thehill.com

 

[Conan]

Here's my understanding of the issue. There are two plausible explanations of how Covid-19 became established in Wuhan, China.

1. Like other corona virus diseases that evolved in the wild from other species, Covid-19 evolved via transmission in the wild from the bat reservoir to other species including humans.

Three Emerging Coronaviruses in Two Decades: The Story of SARS, MERS, and Now COVID-19

In the past two decades, the world has seen three coronaviruses emerge and cause outbreaks that have caused considerable global health consternation. Coronaviru

academic.oup.com

2. Alternatively, covid-19 emerged from a respiratory disease seen in Chinese bat guano harvesters in 2019 or from similar outbreaks seen in prior years. Guano virus was under study in the Wuhan laboratory and may well have escaped the lab. China's lead scientist at the lab denies any outbreak or escape occurred, but it's reasonable to doubt whether Chinese authorities would allow someone in her position to tell an unpleasant truth.

How China's 'Bat Woman' Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus

Wuhan-based virologist Shi Zhengli has identified dozens of deadly SARS-like viruses in bat caves, and she warns there are more out there

www.scientificamerican.com

Certain extremist voices find it convenient to conflate theory #2 with the unsubstantiated notion that the Wuhan lab was engaged in secret military research to weaponize the respiratory illness via "gain of function" improvement, and that's what gave the world covid-19.

To be fair, even Rand Paul's website comes close to a fair statement of #2 despite tagging "gain of function"
"The amendment defines gain-of-function research as “any research project that may be reasonably anticipated to confer attributes to influenza, MERS, or SARS viruses such that the virus would have enhanced pathogenicity or transmissibility in mammals.” This is the same definition the NIH used when implementing a funding moratorium on gain-of-function research in 2014-2017.
"The origin of the COVID-19 virus is unknown. It has yet to be determined if the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or due to a laboratory accident at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. But this pandemic, and the questions of its origin, has exposed the inherent risk of gain-of-function research and never again will taxpayer dollars fund this type of research in China."

Dr. Rand Paul Stops Gain-of-Function Research Funding in China | Senator Rand Paul

www.paul.senate.gov

 

[Yellowfin]

Here's my understanding of the issue. There are two plausible explanations of how Covid-19 became established in Wuhan, China.

1. Like other corona virus diseases that evolved in the wild from other species, Covid-19 evolved via transmission in the wild from the bat reservoir to other species including humans.

Three Emerging Coronaviruses in Two Decades: The Story of SARS, MERS, and Now COVID-19

In the past two decades, the world has seen three coronaviruses emerge and cause outbreaks that have caused considerable global health consternation. Coronaviru

academic.oup.com

2. Alternatively, covid-19 emerged from a respiratory disease seen in Chinese bat guano harvesters in 2019 or from similar outbreaks seen in prior years. Guano virus was under study in the Wuhan laboratory and may well have escaped the lab. China's lead scientist at the lab denies any outbreak or escape occurred, but it's reasonable to doubt whether Chinese authorities would allow someone in her position to tell an unpleasant truth.

How China's 'Bat Woman' Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus

Wuhan-based virologist Shi Zhengli has identified dozens of deadly SARS-like viruses in bat caves, and she warns there are more out there

www.scientificamerican.com

Certain extremist voices find it convenient to conflate theory #2 with the unsubstantiated notion that the Wuhan lab was engaged in secret military research to weaponize the respiratory illness via "gain of function" improvement, and that's what gave the world covid-19.

To be fair, even Rand Paul's website comes close to a fair statement of #2 despite tagging "gain of function"
"The amendment defines gain-of-function research as “any research project that may be reasonably anticipated to confer attributes to influenza, MERS, or SARS viruses such that the virus would have enhanced pathogenicity or transmissibility in mammals.” This is the same definition the NIH used when implementing a funding moratorium on gain-of-function research in 2014-2017.
"The origin of the COVID-19 virus is unknown. It has yet to be determined if the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or due to a laboratory accident at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. But this pandemic, and the questions of its origin, has exposed the inherent risk of gain-of-function research and never again will taxpayer dollars fund this type of research in China."

Dr. Rand Paul Stops Gain-of-Function Research Funding in China | Senator Rand Paul

www.paul.senate.gov

2) I think you pushed this theory to extreme to look it look more implausible. Extremist voices? Sanjay Gupta:

“there’s reason to suspect” the coronavirus escaped accidentally from a Chinese lab, supporting comments from former CDC Director Robert Redfield that critics have dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

This story is no longer available - Washington Times

The Washington Times delivers breaking news and commentary on the issues that affect the future of our nation.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[bbodb1]

The tabloids have been the first to discover the truth about many newsworthy stories over the years.

Oh yes! Here we go!

 

[nerodog]

Why does it matter? Natural or not, it's here. What are we going to do if it truly was released from a Chinese lab, nuke them? No, so it doesn't matter.

It matters to me. It should have some diplomatic repercussions . It literally stopped the world for over a year. China should be held accountable.

 

[Fried_shrimp]

Simply put, it is important to draw attention to the risks of this kind of research that can lead to man-made pandemics.

According to the Hill:
“This is absolutely not a partisan issue. Our recent polling shows that 77 percent of taxpayers want an independent investigation into the origins of COVID, and the majority of Americans want to defund gain of function experiments and to defund the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” Goodman said.

Senate votes to defund Wuhan animal lab and ‘gain-of-function’ experiments in China

This comes after questions about the possible origins of COVID-19.

thehill.com

I can see it as being a nice to know kind of thing. Maybe even put some kind of sanctions on China to hope they don't do it again. But in the grand scheme of things, IMO, it just doesn't really matter.