Paying people to be vaccinated

[DannyTS]

I have a better idea. Those who want a financial incentive for people to get the vaccine to pledge their own money for that.
Like Denise, she did not ask her neighbors to pay for her kids.

 

[DannyTS]

Proof no, lots of deniers yes. The same people that refuse to wear masks will refuse the vaccine, IMO.

by the way, plenty of people who tell us on TV to wear a mask break their own preaching the next day. There are too many too think these are just accidents. I think that what they truly believe and what they say in public are two very different things.

ZeroHedge

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[Brett]

by the way, plenty of people who tell us on TV to wear a mask break their own preaching the next day. There are too many too think these are just accidents. I think that what they truly believe and what they say in public are two very different things.

ZeroHedge

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I've even heard of "TV people" that refused to wear a mask and got COVID and ended up in the hospital for several days.

 

[DannyTS]

I've even heard of "TV people" that refused to wear a mask and got COVID and ended up in the hospital for several days.

I have even heard of people who wore a mask and got Covid. Millions.

 

[VegasBella]

I think it's an interesting idea. I'm definitely more in favor of using the carrot than the stick.

However, I wonder how it's fair to people who can't get vaccinated. I have heard, for instance, that this vaccine is not safe for organ transplant recipients. Part of me says, it doesn't need to be totally fair. The incentive is to benefit the common good and that's fair enough. But the other part of me just has a problem with it. I'll have to think about it a bit more, but overall I'm in favor of an incentive.

 

[VegasBella]

plenty of people who tell us on TV to wear a mask break their own preaching the next day.

There's a psychological explanation. Everyone thinks they can beat the odds. This is not just teenagers or young adults. It's pretty much everyone thinks they are special and they aren't one of the 'suckers' who gets unlucky. It's what makes Vegas run: this self deception about one's invincibility.
Literally, the majority of people think they are 'better than average' drivers. How can that possibly be true??? It can't. People delude themselves in all sorts of ways. This is one way: they won't get COVID.

But more to the point of this thread, this is a big reason vaccines are so much more effective at stopping diseases than a set of behaviors aimed at stopping the spread of germs. People get lazy, they think they can beat the odds, they get confused, they believe in conspiracy theories, they forget, or they think they are 'above' the rest, etc etc etc, list all kinds of excuses. But a vaccine is just one or two shots and that's that. It's easier to make a quick decision like getting a shot than to make a constant lifestyle change. It's the same reason everyone wishes there was a safe, effective diet pill instead of the hard work of changing their habits: it's easier.

 

[TravelTime]

I work professionally in market research. Currently , one of my projects is for one the Pharma companies that is making a covid vax. We are doing a pretty in-depth project for them to understand what are the motivational "hooks" to get someone to vaccinate. Obviously, different people have different motivations. Our client wants to understand these differences and then understand what the best way to market to those and how best reach them.

Interesting. What have you found are the various motivations?

 

[TravelTime]

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[TravelTime]

I do not think the government is going to pay people to get the vaccine. One government official with little power wrote an op ed on it but that’s about all I can find about it. I guess this discussion is hypthetical.

 

[davidvel]

I do not think the government is going to pay people to get the vaccine. One government official with little power wrote an op ed on it but that’s about all I can find about it. I guess this discussion is hypthetical.

No it will never happen. (period) This is just foolish TUGBBS opinion thought about what we think should happen.

No one will be paid to get the vaccine.

 

[bizaro86]

There's a psychological explanation. Everyone thinks they can beat the odds. This is not just teenagers or young adults. It's pretty much everyone thinks they are special and they aren't one of the 'suckers' who gets unlucky. It's what makes Vegas run: this self deception about one's invincibility.
Literally, the majority of people think they are 'better than average' drivers. How can that possibly be true??? It can't. People delude themselves in all sorts of ways. This is one way: they won't get COVID.

But more to the point of this thread, this is a big reason vaccines are so much more effective at stopping diseases than a set of behaviors aimed at stopping the spread of germs. People get lazy, they think they can beat the odds, they get confused, they believe in conspiracy theories, they forget, or they think they are 'above' the rest, etc etc etc, list all kinds of excuses. But a vaccine is just one or two shots and that's that. It's easier to make a quick decision like getting a shot than to make a constant lifestyle change. It's the same reason everyone wishes there was a safe, effective diet pill instead of the hard work of changing their habits: it's easier.

Somewhat off topic, but the majority of people ARE better than average drivers by almost every metric. Driver quality isn't normally distributed, its a skewed distribution. Some people are great, most are pretty ok, but there are enough truly terrible drivers that the average (as a mean) is worse than most people.

Say you measure driver quality by number of collisions caused in a certain period (or tickets, or near misses, or whatever). Say you had a distribution like the following: 0,0,1,1,2,8
The mean average is 2 incidents caused per driver. In that example 4 of the six drivers are better than the mean.

There are lots of real world examples of this phenomenon, see the link.

How 90% of Drivers Can be “Above Average” or Why You Need to be Careful When Talking Statistics

Means, Medians, and Skewed Distributions

towardsdatascience.com

 

[rickandcindy23]

I'll happily get the vaccine without having to be paid to do it. But I don't want to be first, and I won't stand in a long line to get it done. I might consider sitting in a line of cars, but not for more than 90 minutes on a non-hot day. As it is it seems to take close to an hour to get a shot at Vons or CVS on a regular day.

The new In-N-Out Burger locations that opened in Colorado Springs and Aurora, CO have 6-12 hours of line to get a burger. I saw the line in Colorado Springs and it was the craziest thing I have seen. People will wait that long for a burger? That's craziness.

I hope Kaiser just contacts us to come in and offers it free. That would be the ideal for us.

 

[DannyTS]

There's a psychological explanation. Everyone thinks they can beat the odds. This is not just teenagers or young adults. It's pretty much everyone thinks they are special and they aren't one of the 'suckers' who gets unlucky. It's what makes Vegas run: this self deception about one's invincibility.
Literally, the majority of people think they are 'better than average' drivers. How can that possibly be true??? It can't. People delude themselves in all sorts of ways. This is one way: they won't get COVID.

But more to the point of this thread, this is a big reason vaccines are so much more effective at stopping diseases than a set of behaviors aimed at stopping the spread of germs. People get lazy, they think they can beat the odds, they get confused, they believe in conspiracy theories, they forget, or they think they are 'above' the rest, etc etc etc, list all kinds of excuses. But a vaccine is just one or two shots and that's that. It's easier to make a quick decision like getting a shot than to make a constant lifestyle change. It's the same reason everyone wishes there was a safe, effective diet pill instead of the hard work of changing their habits: it's easier.

Thank goodness for those people or no service, essential or not, would be running

At the same time, more and more people (including prominent politicians on both sides) look at the actual numbers and conclude that the odds of catching the virus are minuscule: of the total American population only 2 people out of 1000 tested positive in the last 10 days. Most likely those 2 are not actually contagious, we know the tests are oversensitive and there is a 97% chance that those that test positive are not contagious (most likely false positives). Additionally, if you are not in the risk group, your chances to catch it and die are virtually zero.

 

[Tia]

I'd like to see the politicians line up to get the vaccinations first personally.
Love the reports while telling the general population to stay home etc they flew out of state to celebrate, Denver mayor https://www.businessinsider.com/denver-mayor-sorry-thanksgiving-travel-against-own-advice-2020-11

............ Certain politicians were caught without masks at parties that took place inside , they were at hair saloons etc but they will be the first in line to get a vaccine.

 

[TravelTime]

I'd like to see the politicians line up to get the vaccinations first personally.
Love the reports while telling the general population to stay home etc they flew out of state to celebrate, Denver mayor https://www.businessinsider.com/denver-mayor-sorry-thanksgiving-travel-against-own-advice-2020-11

Same in California...going to expensive dinners with multiple parties from different pods...getting their hair blow dried when the salon is closed to everyone else and then blaming the salon...terrible optics and hypocriticial.

 

[Cornell]

Interesting. What have you found are the various motivations?

We haven't gotten results yet - still in questionnaire / discussion group writing phase. But we know there will be groups like:

- Motivated by societal good
- Desire to keep self & family healthy
- motivated by fear
- Only willing to do b/c it's "required" for some aspect of life

etc

 

["Roger"]

We haven't gotten results yet - still in questionnaire / discussion group writing phase. But we know there will be groups like:

- Motivated by societal good
- Desire to keep self & family healthy
- motivated by fear
- Only willing to do b/c it's "required" for some aspect of life

etc

You might be interested that there was a study about fifteen years ago about what would motivate people to do X (related to one of TUG's forbidden topics). 1000 cards were sent out (or, somehow else distributed). 200 would say why doing X would help with regard to the problem for this reason (appealing to people's desire to be a good citizen). Another 200 would suggest another reason why doing X would be good. Etc. As it turned out, the only 200 cards that seemed to get a lot of people to do X said you should do it because many of your neighbors are doing it. So much for motivating people out of a sense that they are doing good.

Sorry, it is so long ago I have no access to the actual study any more.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Vaccine Tourism is on the rise. Would you go elsewhere to get it sooner? I would consider Canada if they would let me in...Ski Whistler with a shot on the side? Oh yes please...
other destinations too long/risky to get there.

Canada still on track for January 2021 vaccine rollout, despite domestic dose disadvantage: feds

The federal government is still eyeing January 2021 as the start date for when people in Canada will begin to receive COVID-19 vaccines, despite frustration and concerns levelled at the Liberals by the opposition on Wednesday about Canada's position in the queue to receive doses.

www.ctvnews.ca

Vaccine Tourism Will Be A New Trend In Early 2021 - View from the Wing

Even if there’s an emergency use authorization for a vaccine in the U.S. in December it’s likely late in the second quarter before it’s available for most Americans. Will you wait until June for a vaccine, when you can get one somewhere else in the world if you have the ability to travel and the...

viewfromthewing.com

 

[TravelTime]

We haven't gotten results yet - still in questionnaire / discussion group writing phase. But we know there will be groups like:

- Motivated by societal good
- Desire to keep self & family healthy
- motivated by fear
- Only willing to do b/c it's "required" for some aspect of life

etc

One more separate group might be:
- Doctor said to do it during appointment / following directions of an authority figure

Usually I get my vaccines because I happen to be at the doctor’s office for some other reason and the doctor suggests getting a vaccine. I am not talking only about the flu shot although this is usually why I get the flu shot. But also other vaccines. Last year, the doctor identified several vaccines we weren’t sure if I had and I did it only because she suggested it. It was not required nor was I motivated by any of the first three reasons. I was simply following the directions of an authority figure. Sometimes I am motivated by reasons 1, 2 and 4 as well.

 

[jabberwocky]

Vaccine Tourism is on the rise. Would you go elsewhere to get it sooner? I would consider Canada if they would let me in...Ski Whistler with a shot on the side? Oh yes please...
other destinations too long/risky to get there.

I think you’ll find the traffic will be flowing the other way. Most Canadians will be lucky to have access by next September, well behind other countries, according to our PM. Say what you want, but the US was smart in locking in the first doses early on.

This botched procurement is actually causing quite a scandal in Canada. I’m looking at jumping to the US side to get my vaccine - so I guess that would make me a vaccine tourist.

 

[billymach4]

There is an interesting survey question of Smerconish.com for the day.

Do you agree with former Congressman John Delaney that the U.S. should pay every American $1,500 to take a COVID vaccine?

The obvious argument in its favor is to increase participation in the vaccination program. But, Delaney adds that it could also serve as a (the) economic stimulus to reinvigorate the economy. I am not sure where I stand, but, as said, find the question interesting.

Hmmm. Can't write what I really think of this suggestion! Just get the vaccinated. Move on!

 

[SusanRN]

One more separate group might be:
- Doctor said to do it during appointment / following directions of an authority figure

Usually I get my vaccines because I happen to be at the doctor’s office for some other reason and the doctor suggests getting a vaccine. I am not talking only about the flu shot although this is usually why I get the flu shot. But also other vaccines. Last year, the doctor identified several vaccines we weren’t sure if I had and I did it only because she suggested it. It was not required nor was I motivated by any of the first three reasons. I was simply following the directions of an authority figure. Sometimes I am motivated by reasons 1, 2 and 4 as well.

I disagree that a physician is an "authority figure," at least I hope s/he is not. A physician does not have authority to either control or punish a patient. I would say that patients respond to the physician's presumed superior *knowledge* of health risks, so s/he is an "authoritative figure" I would say.

 

[MommaBear]

No, that is not a life and death situation and donating blood is not risky like taking an experimental vaccine.

There is nothing "experimental" about the vaccines that will be available to the public, as they have already gone through clinical trials and the approval process.

 

[TravelTime]

I disagree that a physician is an "authority figure," at least I hope s/he is not. A physician does not have authority to either control or punish a patient. I would say that patients respond to the physician's presumed superior *knowledge* of health risks, so s/he is an "authoritative figure" I would say.

Disagree based on definition of authority. Authority does not only mean the power to control or punish. It also means:

authority noun (EXPERT)
an expert on a subject:
She's a world authority on 19th-century Irish history.

authority

1. the moral or legal right or ability to control: 2. a group of people with…

dictionary.cambridge.org

 

[geekette]

Disagree based on definition of authority. Authority does not only mean the power to control or punish. It also means:

authority noun (EXPERT)
an expert on a subject:
She's a world authority on 19th-century Irish history.

authority

1. the moral or legal right or ability to control: 2. a group of people with…

dictionary.cambridge.org

My PCP is unlikely to be an expert in anything COVID-related but I would expect them to suggest vax for all but their patients for whom it could worsen existing medical issues.

I will listen to my doctors but learned long ago to not just do what they say. I will not delegate my own personal medical decisions to 'authorities' of any stripe. Do not forget that George Carlin reminded us that somewhere, someone has the worst doctor. It must be so, by process of elimination.