Schools reopening or not

[DannyTS]

Seriously, people have different stakes and takes. On all matters of life. Tug has been around a long while, sorting pebbles from dirt, some liking pebbles, some liking dirt. I didn't know it would somehow be rude to ask someone what they would do in X situation, how many times has that been done in Tug lounge?? I didn't at all think it was some kind of sinister question to you, and will go ahead and believe that being asked what you think is a compliment, not an insult. That is apparently not universally true. oh boy, learned something new...

OK, you got your answers from Cornell and you attacked me, both missions accomplished. It is amusing to note how short some fuses are and how some people respond, that serves at sorting pebbles from mud too.
Sinister question or not (did I say that or you said it?), but bbodb1's answer was gratified with an angry face. Kind of shows the intend and the group thinking regardless of what you say.

 

[SteelerGal]

So my County, OC, is all in the news because a OCDE Task Force decided to do go against CDC guidelines. Many OC SD are still planning to go back in person in some form. I wouldn’t be surprised if OC County doesn’t sue at some point.(The County has threatened a # of lawsuits for various reasons since Covid started).

Here’s my SD Reopening Plan:
In Person or Hybrid

Virtual Learning


In person, will require masks, temperature check , closed campus, some outside teaching, plexi glass tables, and pods. No busing except for SN.(we subsidized the cost)

Hybrid is still being reviewed because teacher’s will be on campus. No remote teaching. Due to 40% of families utilize paid before/after care at elementary level, a # families have children at different grade levels, specialized SN programs, etc,it’s been tougher to accommodate the needs of many.

Virtual is for any family who choose. It’s a yr commitment however if a change back to B&M can be accommodated, a student can go back to the regular program. Virtual is completely separate from our HomeBound program.

Btw, our area has involved parents from Day 1. There are many organizations involved and they have heard from parents, students, and teachers, we all want to go back in person. And it means that there will be a budget shortfall so it’s likely we will be fundraising, donating until the end of time.

 

[geekette]

I have yet to attack. I've been around here a long while, far longer than you, most people would not consider me to be An Attacker.

I called your post ridiculous. I have not called you ridiculous. I was honestly surprised by your "not her job!" post as it did seem an overreaction. I have overreacted on occasion, myself. Humans do that sometimes. Humans also often disagree, and can do so nicely. That is part of the long history of Tug.

I did not use the word sinister, can't imagine in what context I would have. I don't give a crap about group think, I have my own think going on. I speak for Me only. And I am the only one authorized to speak for me.

If you did not get a chuckle out of the you as Cornell's agent crack, I'm sorry. I meant it to be funny, not mean or sinister. If you felt it was an insult to you, I am sorry, that was definitely not intended, more like a compliment. It reminded me of one of the contracts I worked long ago, where the site customer would "wonder what it would take to ..." and our PM would jump up and make damned sure none of us answered any questions without a PO. It was his role, no ideas from the talent without pay.



eta.... I did indeed use the word sinister, as a modifier for "question". sinister question.

amuse your short fuse

 

[billymach4]

My 2 cents. School should NOT reopen. One of the individuals I know that has passed away from Covid is a teacher that contracted the virus from students in his school. He left a wife and 2 boys.

 

[beejaybee]

@bbodb1 YUP. I've been following the roll out of each school district in IL with how they are implementing these rules. The devil is in the details. Some high schools here have 3000 kids. They can't pull off these social distancing regulations w/this many kids given their physical space. So they are doing things like setting up tents outside for lunch and kids have to sit 6' apart at lunch in assigned seats. In high school. Or some schools are having kids remain in a cohort that they have to be with all day as they progress through their school day. This way, if there is a positive test there will be ease in contact tracing. Bathroom doors need to remain open for supervision. We've come a family decision that we are opting out of this. Too much. I cannot have my 17 year old treated like a 8 year old.

Guess your 17 year old doesn't go to a Catholic H.S.. If so there'd not be much difference pre/post Covid.

BTW, what does your 17 year old think of the options your school district is presenting?

 

[Chrispee]

Wait, what? I am not in charge of education in this country? Why wasn't I informed?
I'm sure many on TUG are relieved of that.

I wouldn't sell yourself short @Cornell as you might actually have the necessary qualifications for the job at this point

All joking aside, I'd like to share that I'm currently running in-person summer programs at a school with physically distanced students. It's gratifying to be able to provide the social and emotional piece of education that the students have been missing, but it's a real challenge providing a safe environment. We have groups of no more than 8 students with no shared workstations and still it's a constant battle maintaining 2m (6ft) physical distance. We are essentially running at 20% capacity and I see major challenges with the facility going over 50% capacity.

In-person education is important in so many ways (the economy being a slice of that pie), but from my experience I can absolutely understand how there would be educators who feel vulnerable and are resisting the full opening of schools. Employing a centralized and systematic approach to opening options based on science and common sense will be paramount to the successful partial or full reopening of schools. In districts lacking strong administration and clear directives the return to school is likely to be a mess in my opinion.

 

[DannyTS]

Deleted. When I posted I only watched the video but I realize the article at the bottom is political indeed. Thanks Brett for pointing it out.

 

[Brett]

stuff deleted per the prior post !

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[DannyTS]

I think this statement applies to all working parents, not just teachers, IMO. Trying to juggle helping their own kids with their online classes and performing their regular jobs.

Kurt

I agree, we are among them. I am in contact with many of our friends who have kids, it is more difficult for some than for others. Some work but they have more flexible hours, others can work at different times than their spouses. I just do not see teachers having that flexibility.

 

[Cornell]

Guess your 17 year old doesn't go to a Catholic H.S.. If so there'd not be much difference pre/post Covid.

BTW, what does your 17 year old think of the options your school district is presenting?

I looked into the Catholic school route (she went to Cath school from K-8th grade). But here they have to follow all the same rules & regs so it won't be much different than her public HS.

My 17 YO was the one who approached me about online-only learning. Once she learned the only in school learning was going to be "hybrid", we started digging into the details and recognized how "prison-like" it's going to feel. We both decided that the benefits of the time at school will be far outweighed by the negatives. She doesn't want to be around the hyper covid-culture all day either. I just have to have faith that the online learning will be a higher caliber than last spring.

I plan on renting her a spot at a co-working space. She will enjoy being around working adults and by being in an "office" to work it will psychologically help her.

And to be clear @DannyTS comment didn't bother me at all. I'm all good with him.

 

[bogey21]

My Daughter has kids 13, 11 and 8. All attend a small Christian School (similar to the one she and her Brother attended). I haven't discussed this in depth with her but my understanding is the the parents and the School administration sat down together and agreed on how they will handle all on campus classes. I guess this is one of the benefits of small private schools...

George

 

[DannyTS]

I plan on renting her a spot at a co-working space. She will enjoy being around working adults and by being in an "office" to work it will psychologically help her.

This is such a great idea. I hope she will enjoy the experience.

 

[Cornell]

I'm chuckling inside b/c all of these school plans use the phrase "grab & go" . Add this to your phrase list for 2020 (along with "social distancing", "contact tracing", etc).

Lunch will be served, but how? Schools weigh options to crowded cafeterias

School-aged children who are eating outdoors with their families on patios and sidewalks outside restaurants this summer may still be dining alfresco if and when they return to school next month. Amo...

www.dailyherald.com

 

[bogey21]

I plan on renting her a spot at a co-working space. She will enjoy being around working adults and by being in an "office" to work it will psychologically help her.

I think this is a fabulous idea...

George

 

[Cornell]

I think this is a fabulous idea...

George

You know what George? I really appreciate your comment. You seem like a wise man. I'm going to admit, I'm really struggling right now. As a single mom, raising my daughter has been absolutely an exhausting (and rewarding!) experience. This upcoming year has thrown some major obstacles our way. So getting some positive feedback right now really helps.

My daughter is pretty independent & mature. I think a co-work setting will be a nice environment for her. It will give her a peek, too, into her future as an adult.

 

[ilene13]

I am a retired high school mathematics teacher (27 years) and high school principal (16 years). I spent 43 years in Public eduction. The countries in Europe that have opened schools have had very LOW virus counts. Here is a scenario that has made me decide that I am thrilled that I am retired and that I don't have to stress over this:
Schools open. On a Monday a substitute is called into a building to sub for a teacher. That sub has had contact with 130 students (high school) and multiple staff members. That sub goes home and then goes to a different school on Tuesday and a different one each subsequent day. On Friday the sub is exhausted but chalks it up to working the full week. On Saturday that person wakes up with a 103 temperature. Goes to the ER and is tested for COVID. Test is positive. 5 different schools with many students and staff members have now been exposed. What do you do??
IMHO you keep schools on online learning until there is a major reduction in cases or a vaccine.

 

[elaine]

our VA county (DC suburbs) just voted for 9 weeks all remote starting in Sept. except special ed and ESL, then possible hybrid with 2 days in person starting 2nd 9 weeks. Football flipped to spring (if at all). Head of school board is a physician.

 

[Luanne]

Santa Fe School district, along with several others in New Mexico, will start back to school 100% online. The way the state proposal has been drawn up, how the schools start the school year can change to a hybrid, or fully open model as thing change.

 

[pedro47]

I am a retired high school mathematics teacher (27 years) and high school principal (16 years). I spent 43 years in Public eduction. The countries in Europe that have opened schools have had very LOW virus counts. Here is a scenario that has made me decide that I am thrilled that I am retired and that I don't have to stress over this:
Schools open. On a Monday a substitute is called into a building to sub for a teacher. That sub has had contact with 130 students (high school) and multiple staff members. That sub goes home and then goes to a different school on Tuesday and a different one each subsequent day. On Friday the sub is exhausted but chalks it up to working the full week. On Saturday that person wakes up with a 103 temperature. Goes to the ER and is tested for COVID. Test is positive. 5 different schools with many students and staff members have now been exposed. What do you do??
IMHO you keep schools on online learning until there is a major reduction in cases or a vaccine.

An expert in education has spoken with forty three (43) years of experience IMHO. Are we going to listen to an expert?

 

[billymach4]

An expert in education has spoken with forty three (43) years of experience IMHO. Are we going to listen to an expert?

No why should anyone in the Proud and Free USA listen to any expert. We know how to handle everything and anything. USA! USA! USA! .. BTW we need a dead horse emoji?

 

[bluehende]

Just read a headline
"Science should not stand in the way" of opening schools because it's "on our side"

Just search the news. SMH

When you mix science and politics you get politics.

George Will

 

[billymach4]

When you mix science and politics you get politics.

George Will

Who mentioned anything about politics? Against the rules here? Isn't it?

 

[needvaca]

An expert in education has spoken with forty three (43) years of experience IMHO. Are we going to listen to an expert?

So I have 4 kids in the public school system now. Spring elearning (aka no learning) was a disaster. Why should I trust that the public schools can do remote learning right?

 

[bluehende]

Who mentioned anything about politics? Against the rules here? Isn't it?

And now I have forced you to.

We can pretend I mentioned science

 

[billymach4]

And now I have forced you to.

We can pretend I mentioned science

You something. This whole freakin subject is rife with that 800 lb Gorilla. Who are we kidding here. Everyone knows that. As long as we are polite everyone is happy. Just go on FB for the real deal.