New Travel Development going to Maui

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@StevenTing.... look what you started. ;-)

 

[Dean]

Aloha gln60 - I don't think you really understood my post. My frustration comes from the Hawaii-centric complaints that our governor is requesting no visitors and requiring those who continue to come here, quarantine for 14 days. I don't hear these same complaints when the other governors are attempting to keep their states safe. Mike DeWine of Ohio is a great example of doing the right thing.

I think HI is a little unique because of it’s popularity and isolation but there are complaints all over and from both sides of the isle. I believe some of us are more concerned about the economy and some more about the health issues. Personally I tend to be more concerned about the economy and my view on the virus is there’s no way to truly wait it out, only draw it out. If HI can’t handle the medical issues beyond their current level of effort and they can survive the economic impact, then they should stay closed indefinitely but to do so we’re likely talking 12-18 months to satisfy that side of the equation, not 2-3 months more.

 

[csodjd]

But this thread is about Hawaii. For me, I will honor and respect whatever the state of Hawaii decides.

And I'm hoping they come up with a good workable solution, even if there are compromises... I have two weeks scheduled for November.

 

[JIMinNC]

As a full time resident of Hilton Head and in my late 70s, I’m with Lynne. I witnessed many tourists here on HHI walking around barricades to get to the beach or riding through the closed parks. No masks in the markets. Large groups on the beach.

Steve, we've been at our Hilton Head condo in Palmetto Dunes the last two weekends, and spent some time on the beach both times. While our observation is like yours that there were some groups of people (4-8 people each maybe), to our eye, all appeared to be family groups or close friends who would likely be socializing together (rightly or wrongly) at their homes if they weren't on the beach. Given the location in PD, I would assume some were tourists and some were at least property owners like us (but probably few, if any, full time residents). I do know that owner-occupancy of the condos in PD is supposedly much higher than normal now for this time of the year and renter occupancy is way down. We don't plan to rent our unit since we bought it to use frequently.

In any event, I think it's far preferable for family members who live together under the same roof, or close friends who still get together socially, to do so outside on the beach where it's harder for viruses to spread than inside where viruses can easily spread to others. The fact that NY Gov. Cuomo said that something like 68% of recent hospitalizations say they had been obeying stay home orders tells me that spreading within close family groups is a bigger risk than people going outside to the park or the beach.

I've felt from the beginning that targeting beaches was the wrong tactic. I think it stemmed primarily from all the photos and videos of spring breakers partying on the beaches back in March. I have no data to back it up, but my hunch is whatever COVID spreading these spring breakers did, more likely came from their interactions in the bars and having 4-5 kids share one hotel room than the time they spent outside in the sun on the beach.

I agree about the markets though. My wife had to go pick up something at Kroger and said mask use in HHI was much less prevalent than here in Charlotte.

 

[ilene13]

You are correct that everyone has the right to their opinion, but it is exceedingly frustrating that everyone on this board is complaining that Hawaii is requesting visitors stay home while there is complete silence on any of the other states that are doing the same. How many complaints have there been when other states have closed their timeshares compared to what is happening when it is taking place in Hawaii?

I apologize that I offended anyone but this is serious for our state. The state cannot be successful in bringing tourism back until they can open the state to the residents first and determine that the medical facilities can handle any spikes in infections.

Lynne I totally agree with your governor. I live in Sarasota, Florida and our governor s a bit loosely goose! I wish he would make a statement!

 

[csodjd]

In any event, I think it's far preferable for family members who live together under the same roof, or close friends who still get together socially, to do so outside on the beach where it's harder for viruses to spread than inside where viruses can easily spread to others. The fact that NY Gov. Cuomo said that something like 68% of recent hospitalizations say they had been obeying stay home orders tells me that spreading within close family groups is a bigger risk than people going outside to the park or the beach.

UC San Francisco just completed a study seeking to test each person living in the Mission District of SF. They tested for antibodies and for active infection. They found 2.1% were positive, and that of those, 90% could not work from home and were going out of their home to work. Notably (to me), about 50% had no symptoms.

Initial Results of Mission District COVID-19 Testing Announced

The testing was conducted by Unidos En Salud, a unique partnership between Mission community organizers in the Latino Task Force for COVID-19, UCSF researchers, the City and County of San Francisco, and the San Francisco Department of Public Health.

www.ucsf.edu

I'm sure you are right that risk of spread ON the beach is very small. But those going to/from the beach also stop for gas, stop to pick up some food, and things like that. I think there is little doubt based just on common sense that they more you are out the more likely you are to become infected or infect others.

 

[TXTortoise]

Maui opening up a bit on Monday...

Retails store given green light to open on May 11 in Maui County

HONOLULU (KHON2) — Mayor Michael Victorino announced that retail stores and retail stores in shopping malls will be allowed to reopen as long as they follow physical distancing requirements, …

www.khon2.com

 

[rickandcindy23]

Are the tourists really obvious in HHI?

 

[StevenTing]

@StevenTing.... look what you started. ;-)

I'm just sitting here with my bucket of popcorn. This thread has more than been derailed. It's way off the tracks. I just want to be in my happy place, not stuck down in my basement thinking of all of the bad things in the world. Things will get better. Just hoping that it's sooner than later.

 

[csodjd]

Are the tourists really obvious in HHI?

I always try and walk around with a camera hanging down from around my neck.

 

[csodjd]

Seems to me that if we guarantee that we'll bath in and drink multiple Mai Tai's daily, which will surely kill any virus, we should be allowed to come to Hawaii and sit on the beach.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I always try and walk around with a camera hanging down from around my neck.

And a wild Hawaiian shirt with a drink in your hand, long black socks, shorts and sandals.

 

[JIMinNC]

Are the tourists really obvious in HHI?

It depends on the particular beach and the area. There are some beaches on HHI that are limited to people who have a resident sticker on their car (available to any property owner - either full time or part time). Most of the beaches in front of the hotels and timeshares are hard to get to unless you are staying there, so most people would assume anyone there are tourists. At least were our condo is in Palmetto Dunes, a lot of the condos and villas closest to the beaches are used as part time vacation homes or as rentals, so people on the beaches there can fairly easily be assumed to not being full-time HHI residents - some may be property owners like us, but not full time residents. The beaches that adjoin the more residential areas of Port Royal Plantation, Palmetto Dunes, and Sea Pines may be more likely to be full-time residents or part-time residents, but even some of those houses are on the rental market.

A lot of the anger/angst that has been directed at "tourists" on HHI has really been directed at people with out-of-state license plates. Early in the pandemic ugly notes were being placed on people's cars with NY or NJ license plates in grocery store parking lots telling them to take their virus back home, when in fact these folks were snowbirds who live on HHI 4-5 months a year and had been on the island since December or early January. There were some tourists too, but it was an "indictment by license plate" mentality.

 

[StevenTing]

I have another reason to hate the Hawaii Governor right now. Just saw this little detail in the latest proclamation. Pretty much means you can’t get a rental car for the first 14 days on the island. So I guess that means we have to take an shuttle or something.

One step forward, two steps back.

 

[Steve Fatula]

I have another reason to hate the Hawaii Governor right now. Just saw this little detail in the latest proclamation. Pretty much means you can’t get a rental car for the first 14 days on the island. So I guess that means we have to take an shuttle or something.

One step forward, two steps back.

That's strange, would think a shuttle or other shared ride would cause more potential exposure than renting your own car. I guess though the idea may be to discourage you from going around during quarantine?

 

[frank808]

That's strange, would think a shuttle or other shared ride would cause more potential exposure than renting your own car. I guess though the idea may be to discourage you from going around during quarantine?

Yes that was governor's reasoning. No rental car, makes it harder to break quarantine.

Good news on Oahu. Will be able to start going shopping for non essentials starting nexr Friday May 15.

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[vol_90]

Yes that was governor's reasoning. No rental car, makes it harder to break quarantine.

Good news on Oahu. Will be able to start going shopping for non essentials starting nexr Friday May 15.

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Awesome, I need a hair cut! Working on the surfer dude mop....

 

[Steve A]

HHI tourists are pretty obvious in the Kroger. They tend to shop in family groups and buy lots of water, beer, soda and empty calories. Many are in bathing suits underneath tops. Tourists ride their bikes in large groups and don’t always keep to the right on the paths and some ignore the stop signs.

Jim:

You cannot rent for less then six months in Port Royal. However, because of the age of our owners then are often lots of young adults and grandchildren and nieces and nephews around especially now and usually vacation time. About 50% are full time residents.

 

[gln60]

HHI tourists are pretty obvious in the Kroger. They tend to shop in family groups and buy lots of water, beer, soda and empty calories. Many are in bathing suits underneath tops. Tourists ride their bikes in large groups and don’t always keep to the right on the paths and some ignore the stop signs.

Jim:

You cannot rent for less then six months in Port Royal. However, because of the age of our owners then are often lots of young adults and grandchildren and nieces and nephews around especially now and usually vacation time. About 50% are full time residents.

Empty calories...beer...soda.....and dont always keep to the right and ignore stop signs......HOW DARE THEY.......LOL

 

[b2bailey]

How to have marital problems step 1.... Go to Hawaii by yourself and leave wife and kids quarantined at home during a pandemic. ;-)

Or not.

 

[burg1121]

Virus gonna do what the virus wants to do you can’t do that much about it. A great financial depression will be far worse and we can do something to avoid that. How many Coronavirus vaccines have been created in the past?
None.

 

[Ken555]

Virus gonna do what the virus wants to do you can’t do that much about it.

Are you washing your hands? If so, then it seems you’re doing something...regardless of what the virus does.


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[pedro47]

I always try and walk around with a camera hanging down from around my neck.

Why take a camera liked a tourist, just use your cellphones and takes photos.

 

[JIMinNC]

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/...yrwzSD90oiF6SCRHUIKNz4hPZo919H2DJH3nHliauGWWk

Doesn't sound like they are planning on the 14-day quarantine ending soon.

 

[ilene13]

People are oblivious in Sarasota also!