New Travel Development going to Maui

[csodjd]

Huh??.......Governor now has NOTHING to lose..unfortunate for Hawaii’s hard working citizens

I have an innate distrust for politicians. Most are focused from day one on doing what they need to do to be re-elected, not what is best for their constituents as a whole.

 

[dioxide45]

I have an innate distrust for politicians. Most are focused from day one on doing what they need to do to be re-elected, not what is best for their constituents as a whole.

Also realize that often state governors go on to run for US Senate or House of Representatives. So just because their term is up for governor, it doesn't mean their career as a politician is over.

 

[cman]

Huh??.......Governor now has NOTHING to lose..unfortunate for Hawaii’s hard working citizens

He has a lot "to lose". He could lose the lives of thousands of his citizens, in addition to crippling their economic future. I do not envy this man. If he opens too early, he'll pay for it with the lives of his citizens. If he opens to late, he loses the timely economic recovery that Hawaii needs right now. So, he has a lot "to lose". The good news is that, all things considered, Hawaii is making progress. They not only flattened the curve, they strangled it, and then stomped the life out of it. They've been more successful than almost any other state, and most other countries in reducing the spread. Think what you may of the actions taken by the Hawaii government, but every state would love to reproduce their results.

 

[vol_90]

He has a lot "to lose". He could lose the lives of thousands of his citizens, in addition to crippling their economic future. I do not envy this man. If he opens too early, he'll pay for it with the lives of his citizens. If he opens to late, he loses the timely economic recovery that Hawaii needs right now. So, he has a lot "to lose". The good news is that, all things considered, Hawaii is making progress. They not only flattened the curve, they strangled it, and then stomped the life out of it. They've been more successful than almost any other state, and most other countries in reducing the spread. Think what you may of the actions taken by the Hawaii government, but every state would love to reproduce their results.

Put a water boarder plus 2,500+ miles between each state and any governor can control visitors to their state if they wish. Just saying...…….

 

[Wei339]

Hawai‘i Senate COVID-19 Committee Reports Travel Quarantine Will Likely be Extended | Maui Now

The Hawai‘i State Senate Special Committee on COVID-19 discussed CARES Act aid, the likely extension of the 14-day travel quarantine, and increased costs associated with airport operations amid the ongoing pandemic.

mauinow.com

Not happy about this either. Seems like we were making progress to remove the quarantine. Makes me bitter and spiteful.

Holding out one more week.

I realize you may not get the opportunity to use your timeshare but I really feel that this failure pales in comparison to the many people who are ill with the virus and the others who are unemployed and trying to just provide food for their families.

 

[Wei339]

Hawai‘i Senate COVID-19 Committee Reports Travel Quarantine Will Likely be Extended | Maui Now

The Hawai‘i State Senate Special Committee on COVID-19 discussed CARES Act aid, the likely extension of the 14-day travel quarantine, and increased costs associated with airport operations amid the ongoing pandemic.

mauinow.com

Not happy about this either. Seems like we were making progress to remove the quarantine. Makes me bitter and spiteful.

Holding out one more week.

I realize you may not get the opportunity to use your timeshare but I really feel that this failure pales in comparison to the many people who are ill with the virus and the others who are unemployed and trying to just provide food for their families.

 

[tshd]

If the President of the United States is adequately protected by testing of the people around him, than certainly the citizens of Hawaii would be reasonably protected by a proper/adequate testing protocol, especially inasmuch as you can freely enter Hawaii with any other contagious disease without any restriction or testing at all.

So if the President or VP gets CV will the quarantine then be justified in your eyes? Three CDC representatives including Fauci put themselves into a 14 day quarantine upon hearing that a WH staffer tested positive, even though they have not tested positive themselves. The President also questioned the efficacy of testing as a means of prevention noting that Pence's Press Secretary tested negative and the next day didn't. I don't think most folks believe that testing and tracing are at the level where it will be able to prevent a new spike in infections. I was upset by the initial reaction that tourists should be banned, especially because most of the cases in Hawaii were traced to residents who had traveled outside of the islands and brought it back. But I do feel that the residents of Hawaii via their government should have the right to impose a quarantine and it should be the residents of that state who decide when to ease up on restrictions, not people from somewhere else. If the Feds had been more aggressive about quarantining oversees travelers, we might have had a better outcome like Hawaii.

 

[gln60]

So if the President or VP gets CV will the quarantine then be justified in your eyes? Three CDC representatives including Fauci put themselves into a 14 day quarantine upon hearing that a WH staffer tested positive, even though they have not tested positive themselves. The President also questioned the efficacy of testing as a means of prevention noting that Pence's Press Secretary tested negative and the next day didn't. I don't think most folks believe that testing and tracing are at the level where it will be able to prevent a new spike in infections. I was upset by the initial reaction that tourists should be banned, especially because most of the cases in Hawaii were traced to residents who had traveled outside of the islands and brought it back. But I do feel that the residents of Hawaii via their government should have the right to impose a quarantine and it should be the residents of that state who decide when to ease up on restrictions, not people from somewhere else. If the Feds had been more aggressive about quarantining oversees travelers, we might have had a better outcome like Hawaii.

Well.....unfortunately China,with the help of W.H.O.,decided not to WARN the United States and world for weeks,stopped air travel throughout China,but allowed infected citizens to fly around the world spreading the Chinese Covid 19 virus,thereby not only murdering over 75,000 American citizens so far,and millions more around the world

 

[GaryDouglas]

That's just one reason why I have for decades done what I can to not buy anything from Tyrannical Communist China. To save money on near slave labor products that support a govenment that considers the U.S. is their enemy is suicidal.

 

[cman]

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[dioxide45]

That's just one reason why I have for decades done what I can to not buy anything from Tyrannical Communist China. To save money on near slave labor products that support a govenment that considers the U.S. is their enemy is suicidal.

Sadly that isn't really possible. Is the device you are posting from not made in China?

 

[dioxide45]

Most other countries "got the memo". They were prepared and took the necessary precautions to mitigate this virus. For whatever reason, we did not. And now we find ourselves as the world's COVID-19 epicenter. It's unfortunate, but this thing has become a political game of finger pointing. When it's all said and done, my hope is that we learn from this, and never again find ourselves in a position where we are unprepared. We have to insist that we have a pandemic response framework in place that we never again botch things like early detection, testing and contact tracing. We have to insist that our response is just as good as South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Australia, or any other nation on this planet. We messed up on this one, we have to make sure this never happens again.

Does the same apply for Europe; Italy, Spain?

 

[cman]

Does the same apply for Europe; Italy, Spain?

Germany is a better example. Italy and Spain made some of the same mistakes we did.

Here's a link to the numbers; https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

[GaryDouglas]

"I have for decades done what I can to not buy anything from Tyrannical Communist China". It's extremely hard. I was at Costco yesterday and saw a Kitchen Aid barbeque. It said it was made in Tyrannical Communist China, didn't buy it. When I put in recessed lighting a few years ago, I couldn't find one manufacturer that made it in a freedom revering country. When I go to any store, I first look to see if it's made in the U.S.. Next, not in a despotic country. If I have no choice, then what a sorry state of affairs that is. It's extremely hard. But think if everyone in the U.S. did as I did. The marketplace speaks the loudest.

 

[csodjd]

So if the President or VP gets CV will the quarantine then be justified in your eyes? Three CDC representatives including Fauci put themselves into a 14 day quarantine upon hearing that a WH staffer tested positive, even though they have not tested positive themselves. The President also questioned the efficacy of testing as a means of prevention noting that Pence's Press Secretary tested negative and the next day didn't. I don't think most folks believe that testing and tracing are at the level where it will be able to prevent a new spike in infections. I was upset by the initial reaction that tourists should be banned, especially because most of the cases in Hawaii were traced to residents who had traveled outside of the islands and brought it back. But I do feel that the residents of Hawaii via their government should have the right to impose a quarantine and it should be the residents of that state who decide when to ease up on restrictions, not people from somewhere else. If the Feds had been more aggressive about quarantining oversees travelers, we might have had a better outcome like Hawaii.

That's missing the point. I think the quarantine was and remains justified. The point is that the path to ending quarantines is through testing x 2 (before entry, and anyone becoming symptomatic), tracing and isolation. Testing and tracing may well NOT be at the level necessary, but there's no reason, given the paucity of cases in Hawaii today, for them not to be getting headed to that level.

 

[tshd]

That's missing the point. I think the quarantine was and remains justified. The point is that the path to ending quarantines is through testing x 2 (before entry, and anyone becoming symptomatic), tracing and isolation. Testing and tracing may well NOT be at the level necessary, but there's no reason, given the paucity of cases in Hawaii today, for them not to be getting headed to that level.

I'm pretty sure they are headed that way, but probably not as quickly as you feel they should be.

 

[gln60]

there is ONE place and ONE place ONLY to blame this disaster on...and that is Communist China and their Sneak attack on our country and the world...shoulda, coulda,woulda....mistakes were made,no doubt....that can and should be discussed...when the time is right..and now is not the time to play the political blame game As we are seeing daily from the politically motivated media..we need to come together as one country to beat this virus..and deal with the China treachery later..We can do it...we always have

 

[SueDonJ]

there is ONE place and ONE place ONLY to blame this disaster on...and that is Communist China and their Sneak attack on our country and the world...shoulda, coulda,woulda....mistakes were made,no doubt....that can and should be discussed...when the time is right..and now is not the time to play the political blame game As we are seeing daily from the politically motivated media..we need to come together as one country to beat this virus..and deal with the China treachery later..We can do it...we always have

1. There is more than enough blame that reaches far beyond only one country's poor response to what scientific experts saw coming all over the world.

2. The, "now is not the time" ridiculousness is pushed every single time an event that spurs political divide happens in this country, and then it's *conveniently* forgotten until the next time a similar event happens, when again we start spouting like robots, "now is not the time" (repeat ad nauseam.)

3. "The media" is not responsible for my political views and I'll thank you very much to give me the same credit for having a brain as you expect me to give you, despite our obvious political differences. It is utterly stupefying how one can on the one hand insult the intelligence of fellow Americans due to their political leanings while on the other, make the claim that, "we need to come together as one country."

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And THAT's why this thread is being closed, because despite multiple moderators responding to multiple reports in this thread and spending their time editing/deleting crap, it continued until it finally made my head explode.