[2016] Account review email [Accts. suspended]

[am1]

Say your name is Ron?

Sorry -- I know this is beyond frustrating. The inconsistencies across the board -- from 'terms and conditions' agreed to (or not) to returning calls is unbelievable.

No replies by e-mail in 4 weeks and at that time they wanted to call me we were trying to resolve somethings. Or at least I thought.

 

[bnoble]

Just armchair quarterbacking, but...

Ron appears to have been willing to actively work with the folks at WVO. In return, they seem to be helping him. Flies, honey, vinegar, etc.

 

[am1]

Just armchair quarterbacking, but...

Ron appears to have been willing to actively work with the folks at WVO. In return, they seem to be helping him. Flies, honey, vinegar, etc.

It may be what he is asking for or willing to accept.

 

[Bigrob]

Just armchair quarterbacking, but...

Ron appears to have been willing to actively work with the folks at WVO. In return, they seem to be helping him. Flies, honey, vinegar, etc.

That may be a part of it. There may also be recognition that Ron is very active (and vocal) with lots of connections within the timeshare and real estate business. It may also be the case that Wyndham is focusing on certain specific members/accounts first for various reasons. I don't think it has anything to do with surmising what one is "willing to accept" because they haven't even had a discussion with people to know what they would be willing to accept.

 

[wjappraise]

That may be a part of it. There may also be recognition that Ron is very active (and vocal) with lots of connections within the timeshare and real estate business. It may also be the case that Wyndham is focusing on certain specific members/accounts first for various reasons. I don't think it has anything to do with surmising what one is "willing to accept" because they haven't even had a discussion with people to know what they would be willing to accept.

I concur. It could be he is viewed by Wyndham as "patient zero," and once his situation is resovled, they will move on to others. My concern is that we have been told to contact the email address with our needs, as opposed to calling the normal phone numbers, and this email goes unresponded.

 

[Jan M.]

It may be what he is asking for or willing to accept.

I'm sure that Ron makes himself available to talk to them when they contact him and doesn't expect them to call back at his convenience

Are you the person who mentioned in your posts that there have been several times they have called you that you found it inconvenient to speak with them? In other circumstances and with another company I wouldn't be saying this but now seems to be the time to shout FROG and ask how high on the way up when they say jump.

I may be mistaken but I'm under the impression that Wyndham is only currently dealing/negotiating with the owners who are just seeking to get out without losing their shirts because they manipulated the system in some way or found a way to get many more points than they owned which they then used. Although your situation may be different from theirs I still don't believe that Wyndham will consider compensating you for damages or loss of income no matter how justifiable it is. If you are considering any legal action against Wyndham I would recommend finding out everything you can so you have a clear and realistic understanding of what you can expect, both monetary and treatment, if you would decide to go that route. Because you want more than to just be unfrozen I'm guessing that unfortunately your account has now most likely been flagged as uncooperative and or hostile. However if you can accept dealing with being frozen as a separate issue from compensation, getting some kind of legal help to assist you in opening a dialogue to resolve your being frozen might be a course of action you would want to consider at this point.

Another thing to consider from what Ron has said is that Wyndham may be determined to force you out and if that is the case you don't have too many options. If you are in a situation where you are continuing to pay an enormous amount of maintenance fees but aren't able to bring in the income to offset them, then Wyndham is holding all the cards while you dangle in the wind. It may be time to kiss the money you've lost goodbye and start thinking very seriously about an exit strategy that allows you not to lose your shirt rather than to engage in a lengthy battle you aren't likely to even break even on in the end. A bitter pill to swallow and big enough to choke a horse.

 

[ronparise]

Just armchair quarterbacking, but...

Ron appears to have been willing to actively work with the folks at WVO. In return, they seem to be helping him. Flies, honey, vinegar, etc.

At this point all I can say is:

“The parties have satisfactorily resolved all of their differences.”

 

[John_and_Val]

does that mean your account is "un-frozen"????

 

[ecwinch]

At this point all I can say is:

“The parties have satisfactorily resolved all of their differences.”

Sounds like the standard non-disclosure is part of the satisfactory resolution of "all their differences".

 

[bogey21]

“The parties have satisfactorily resolved all of their differences.”

Congratulations. I suspect that this is the result of hard work, persistence and a willingness to compromise.

George

 

[ronparise]

does that mean your account is "un-frozen"????

The parties have satisfactorily resolved their differences

 

[bnoble]

“The parties have satisfactorily resolved all of their differences.”

My armchair QB skills are up there with the best of them!

 

[Richelle]

The parties have satisfactorily resolved their differences

Congratulations on satisfactorily resolving you differences.

 

[am1]

I'm sure that Ron makes himself available to talk to them when they contact him and doesn't expect them to call back at his convenience

Are you the person who mentioned in your posts that there have been several times they have called you that you found it inconvenient to speak with them? In other circumstances and with another company I wouldn't be saying this but now seems to be the time to shout FROG and ask how high on the way up when they say jump.

Your post seems to assume a lot of things. My number 1 goal through all of this since August is to make sure my guests reservations are secure. I cannot just exit because of that. I also have too much invested to just walk away.

Yes Wyndham wanted to schedule a meeting for 6 days out and I told them that day would not work. Never heard back from them on that and it is now 4 weeks later.

Does anyone agree with Wyndham pushing owners around and forcing them out? Who would ever buy from such a company?

 

[Richelle]

Your post seems to assume a lot of things. My number 1 goal through all of this since August is to make sure my guests reservations are secure. I cannot just exit because of that. I also have too much invested to just walk away.

Yes Wyndham wanted to schedule a meeting for 6 days out and I told them that day would not work. Never heard back from them on that and it is now 4 weeks later.

Does anyone agree with Wyndham pushing owners around and forcing them out? Who would ever buy from such a company?

Well, since Ron's not talking, it's hard to say what they are trying to do but that could be it. Maybe they are hoping that if the mega renters will lose enough money that they will give up and sell or give away their timeshares. The problem is, the mega renters have dumped a ton of money into Wyndham, just like you have, and are not going to just give up. The non-mega renters spent a small fortune on their points with no return on the investment like the mega renters get. They lose even more. If I paid six figures to become VIP, I would not be giving that up. I'm sure Wyndham knows that it will not be easy to force owners out.

Since Wyndham is a publicly traded company, they have to answer to the shareholders. They have votes on stuff. Not sure if you get one vote per share or just one vote per shareholder. Maybe someone with more knowledge then I can answer that. I'm just wondering if it's possible to get enough voting power to be able to make their lives difficult too.


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[buckor]

Well, since Ron's not talking, it's hard to say what they are trying to do but that could be it. Maybe they are hoping that if the mega renters will lose enough money that they will give up and sell or give away their timeshares. The problem is, the mega renters have dumped a ton of money into Wyndham, just like you have, and are not going to just give up. The non-mega renters spent a small fortune on their points with no return on the investment like the mega renters get. They lose even more. If I paid six figures to become VIP, I would not be giving that up. I'm sure Wyndham knows that it will not be easy to force owners out.

Since Wyndham is a publicly traded company, they have to answer to the shareholders. They have votes on stuff. Not sure if you get one vote per share or just one vote per shareholder. Maybe someone with more knowledge then I can answer that. I'm just wondering if it's possible to get enough voting power to be able to make their lives difficult too.


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Each share gets a vote...

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[ecwinch]

Your post seems to assume a lot of things. My number 1 goal through all of this since August is to make sure my guests reservations are secure. I cannot just exit because of that. I also have too much invested to just walk away.

Ron apparently has had his issues resolved to his satisfaction. What do you attribute the difference between your situation and his to?

 

[Richelle]

Ron apparently has had his issues resolved to his satisfaction. What do you attribute the difference between your situation and his to?

Ron had some sort of leverage?


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[ecwinch]

Compromising photo's of Franz Hanning? Maybe the two events are related... hmmm

 

[ronparise]

Ron had some sort of leverage?


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Ha ha ha

Go back and read my posts in this thread to see how much leverage I thought I had

 

[John_and_Val]

This is kinda like the guy who gets 20 years in prison for running drugs. 5 years in, you see him on the streets.......
How did he get out so early???????? Information is worth a lot to the right people.

Some call that guy a rat......Some call him a genius!!!!!
We might not ever know....but obviously changes are coming. And Ron did what was in his best interest. I advise all to do the same. If you think Wyndham is going to roll over and play dead.....you are gravely mistaken. I think they know more now than ever.....And with all the frozen accounts - they will get more information on the real way their system is run.

 

[wjappraise]

Ron had some sort of leverage?

Doesn't sound like that. It sounds more like New England Patriots "accepting" a $500,000 fine and loss of draft picks over the "DeflateGate" debacle. They really had no choice in the matter, but attempted to take the high road.

 

[Richelle]

Doesn't sound like that. It sounds more like New England Patriots "accepting" a $500,000 fine and loss of draft picks over the "DeflateGate" debacle. They really had no choice in the matter, but attempted to take the high road.

I think you may be right. He may have also brought a lawyer in on it to help speed things up.


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[bnoble]

Folks, the speculation (er, gossip) is a little unfair given that Ron can't say more than he has already.

 

[wjappraise]

Folks, the speculation (er, gossip) is a little unfair given that Ron can't say more than he has already.

Hmmmm. . . ."arm chair quarterbacking" . . . . "speculation er, gossip." Sounds like the exact same things.